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A Republican legislator's remarks about sexuality sparked a bitter volley at the state Capitol on Wednesday, the second time in three days such comments have created controversy.

Although unwilling to publicly discuss the issue, some Republicans privately expressed dismay, fearing the comments may hurt their party's image.

Sen. Dave Schultheis, of Colorado Springs, on Wednesday opposed a bill requiring pregnant women to be tested for HIV so that if they are infected their babies can be treated to prevent the virus's transfer.

"This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part, and I just can't go there," he said.

"We do things continually to remove the consequences of poor behavior, unacceptable behavior, quite frankly. I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."

Two days earlier, Sen. Scott Renfroe, of Greeley, used biblical references in linking murder and homosexuality during debate on a bill to extend health benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian state workers.

The back-to-back comments were too much for Sen. Jennifer Veiga, D-Denver.

"Where is the Republican leadership on all this?" she asked.

Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry responded he is not going to muzzle his caucus, although he has reminded his colleagues "we should never lose sight of the humanity of people on the other side of an issue."

"People are entitled to their opinions," the Grand Junction Republican said. "It's not my job to go around and censor people and tell them what to say."

He added that he thought Democrats were trying to "gin up the outrage machine" and said their hands aren't clean when it comes to questionable comments.

But the Capitol was abuzz Wednesday about Schultheis' remarks on a bill that had the support of every other Senate Republican, including Penry, who signed on as a co-sponsor.

Rep. Marsha Looper, of Calhan, was one of the few Republicans willing to publicly take her party members to task.

"What are they doing over there?" she asked, referring to the Senate. "I find their comments inappropriate and offensive, and I question their motives."

Schultheis later Wednesday accused Democrats of "speaking out of two sides of their mouths."

"They go to extreme lengths to try to protect the fetus," he said. "On the other hand they're willing to pass laws that allow abortions or will not reduce abortions."

Former Gov. Bill Owens said he was puzzled over Schultheis' "no" vote.

"It's extremely inconsistent for any person who is pro-life to oppose this effort to potentially save the life of a child," he said.

Owens said the GOP tried to run a similar bill in the 1990s but was thwarted by the AIDS lobby, which feared profiling. He said he is thrilled it might become law.

Schultheis' remarks came during debate on Senate Bill 179, which makes several changes to state law concerning communicable diseases, including the requirement of the HIV test. Pregnant women can opt out, which goes in their medical records.

The sponsor, Sen. Lois Tochtrop, D-Thornton, pointed out that not everyone who is HIV-positive got the virus through sexual contact.

Tochtrop said the risk of transferring the virus from mother to baby during pregnancy or delivery can be reduced from 25 percent to 2 percent with medication and preventive care.

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Two Senate Republicans are under fire for their comments about sexuality during debates on two separate bills.

SEN. DAVE SCHULTHEIS, R-Colorado Springs, on Wednesday voted againt Senate Bill 179, which requires pregnant women to undergo HIV testing to ensure steps can be taken to reduce transferring the disease to the baby if the mother is infected.

* What he said during the debate: "This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part and I just can't go there. We do things continually to remove the consequences of poor behavior, unacceptable behavior, quite frankly. I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."

* What he said afterward: "What I'm hoping is that yes, that person may have AIDS, have it seriously as a baby and when they grow up, but the mother will begin to feel guilt as a result of that. The family will see the negative consequences of that promiscuity and it may make a number of people over the coming years ... begin to realize that there are negative consequences and maybe they should adjust their behavior. We can't keep people from being raped. We can't keep people from shooting each other. We can't keep people from jumping off bridges. People drink and drive, and they crash and kill people. Poor behavior has its consequences."

SEN. SCOTT RENFROE, R-Greeley, on Monday opposed Senate Bill 88, which extends health care benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian state employees.

* What he said during the debate: "Leviticus 18:22 says, 'You shall not lie with a man as one lies with a female. It is an abomination.' Leviticus 20:13 says, 'If there is a man who lies with a male as though to lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act, and they shall surely be put to death. ... ' We are taking sins and making them to be legally OK, and that is wrong. ... And I'm not saying that this is the only sin that's out there. Obviously, we have sin, we have murder, we have all sorts of sin. We have adultery ... and we would never think to make murder legal."

* What he said Wednesday: "I don't mean to be hateful. I don't think I'm hateful. People have accused me of that. I'm just voicing my opinions on what I believe and trying to speak what I think is the truth. Our First Amendment allows freedom of speech and I should be allowed to say what I want on any issue. I wasn't probably eloquent enough in saying that all people sin and there are many different sins and they are all the same in the eyes of God. But to make laws to make sins legal is where I think it crosses the line, and we shouldn't go there. That's the destruction of our society."
Let's re-read those lines again.

"This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part and I just can't go there.

"What I'm hoping is that yes, that person may have AIDS, have it seriously as a baby and when they grow up, but the mother will begin to feel guilt as a result of that.

Isn't the pro-life movement's legislative leadership just so respectful and supportive of people?
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The moral BS aside, this isn't standard in the US? They test for HIV/AIDS in the mother as SOP in Canadian hospitals, along with a bunch of other conditions.
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With each passing day, the two-party system in this country is becoming less of a fight between liberals (or centrists) and conservatives and more like a fight between sane and insane people.
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And here I thought the title was hyperbole.
What I'm hoping is that yes, that person may have AIDS, have it seriously as a baby and when they grow up, but the mother will begin to feel guilt as a result of that.
If there is a God, how do people like this not spontaneously burst into flames? And if there are two opposing political parties, how can people like this hold on to elected positions?
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Ah yes. I hope your baby is messed up so you can see how bad it is to have pre-marital sex. Makes perfect sense to me...not.

I hope this guys kids turn flaming liberal just to show him how bad his messed up religiously propped up politics are.
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As I said in another thread, conservative thinking is about identifying an enemy and attacking it. He is just being consistent: he views premarital sex as evil, and he views those who commit as evildoers. Ergo, they must be punished, like criminals.

And the babies? Collateral damage in the war against the enemy. The conservative propensity for declaring a "War On <Insert Concept Here>" is highly appropriate: it reflects their thinking quite accurately. They feel it is a war, and their attempt to eradicate it should be treated like a war. In war, you sometimes accept that innocents must suffer in order to defeat the enemy.
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"I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."
Isn't that the opposite of what the pro-life movement says? That the unborn are innocent and must be protected regardless of any circumstances?
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fuzzymillipede wrote:
"I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."
Isn't that the opposite of what the pro-life movement says? That the unborn are innocent and must be protected regardless of any circumstances?
He's more interested in punishing the wicked than protecting the innocent. It's not a whole lot different than the people who would make it much easier to convict criminals in their zeal to punish the guilty, even though they know that many more innocents would undoubtedly suffer in the process. Or for that matter, all the people whose approach to welfare is "fuck 'em", even though they know their children will suffer.
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Morilore wrote:If there is a God, how do people like this not spontaneously burst into flames?
They usually assume God shares their fucked-up views.

What was that saying? "We all create God in our own image."
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fuzzymillipede wrote:
"I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."
Isn't that the opposite of what the pro-life movement says? That the unborn are innocent and must be protected regardless of any circumstances?
That's what the PR and public face says. Frankly, his 'Sexual promiscuity is so bad you should suffer having a child with AIDS' is more accurate: Punish The Sluts.
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Junghalli wrote:
Morilore wrote:If there is a God, how do people like this not spontaneously burst into flames?
They usually assume God shares their fucked-up views.

What was that saying? "We all create God in our own image."
I believe the saying was: "If there were a race of triangular people, their God would have three sides."
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fuzzymillipede wrote:
"I'm not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions."
Isn't that the opposite of what the pro-life movement says? That the unborn are innocent and must be protected regardless of any circumstances?
No. Pro lifers say that the unborn childs should be protected which doesn´t have anything to do with the parents. This guy is saying that the individual who commits the negative action should not be protected. This individual would be the parent. So basically the guy is saying that we should punish the parent with an HIV infected Kid for a stupid action. He doesn´t consider the kid at all.

Of course it doesn´t make any sense because even if one agrees that the government shouldn´t protect people from stupid choices, the government should still protect people from other peoples stupid choices as would be the case here: the child must be protected from getting AIDS, in other words it must be protected from the stupid choice of the parent who was dumb enough to get AIDS.
This of course again requires that you accept that all people who get AIDS do so because of stupidity. Which is of course not the case.

His statements are so incredibly stupid on so many levels that it´s questionable if he really meant this or if he just wanted to sound "RAR RAR ME TOUGH GUY!!!010!13370!".
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I think Darth Wong put it on the head. To this sort of fuckhead it's all about punishing the evil sinful sluts who get AIDS because they were promiscuous, because they are part of the enemy, and if this requires inflicting horrible suffering on innocent people, well that's just too bad but it's worth it to harm the enemy.
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Wouldn't having HIV/AIDS yourself be enough punishment without having to see your baby with the disease? I seem to be missing something here. If you really want to punish the sluts, couldn't you just, I dunno, make HIV/AIDS treatment unaffordable (or hell, even just ban the medication from your state), rather than giving the babies HIV? My version of the punishment seems much better than this guy's retarded version.
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Knife wrote:Ah yes. I hope your baby is messed up so you can see how bad it is to have pre-marital sex. Makes perfect sense to me...not.

I hope this guys kids turn flaming liberal just to show him how bad his messed up religiously propped up politics are.
They probably will. But as is usual in these cases, never expect the asshole to learn anything from it.
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Lusankya wrote:Wouldn't having HIV/AIDS yourself be enough punishment without having to see your baby with the disease? I seem to be missing something here. If you really want to punish the sluts, couldn't you just, I dunno, make HIV/AIDS treatment unaffordable (or hell, even just ban the medication from your state), rather than giving the babies HIV? My version of the punishment seems much better than this guy's retarded version.
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AIDS is a very toxically political disease: the far right seem to see its lethal effects as punishment for the "evil doings" of black Africans, drug addicts, and homosexuals, while completely ignoring the innocent offspring of AIDS infected mothers, not promoting sexual awareness for the benefit of all, and not acknowledging the lack of proper medical infrastructure in Third World countries. It demonstrates what callous and postively genocidal fucks these creeps are, and it was the same sort of mindset behind the Bush Administration letting New Orleans rot in flooded anarchy for too long (before getting goaded into action by a huge public outcry. And in that situation you had racist Americans whinging about black people, too).
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How about the good little Republican Mommy who has a a husband who goes to porn websites and cruises the streets for a whore because his wife is stuck up and just lays there. He gets AIDS and passes it along to her? Should she be punished twice, once by getting AIDS herself and a second time by having an AIDS baby?
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Kitsune wrote:How about the good little Republican Mommy who has a a husband who goes to porn websites and cruises the streets for a whore because his wife is stuck up and just lays there. He gets AIDS and passes it along to her? Should she be punished twice, once by getting AIDS herself and a second time by having an AIDS baby?
Why of course, you silly little Plebian. That her husband had to resort to seeing a filthy, diseased whore clearly indicates that he was denied his rights as a husband and she diserves every pain filled second of what happens to her![/sarcasm]

You see, Senator, anyone can sound like a complete idiot and asshole at the same time, it really isn't very hard. And once you do this, it will forever destroy your reputation and political....

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Oh, Christ, who the hell am I kidding? Despicable as this dirt bag is, his base is probably cheering him on/making plans to try and sweep him into the White House come 2012 in the name of morals and family values (though how they reconcile 'family values' with 'let a poor innocent baby suffering from one of hte most horrifying diseases known to mankind' is beyond my logical processes.)


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It's a pity that we're in a political and social environment that makes cynicism an intelligent filter through which to view the world, but it's probably not a net bad-thing that you're up to speed.
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"...We can't keep people from being raped. We can't keep people from shooting each other. We can't keep people from jumping off bridges. People drink and drive, and they crash and kill people. Poor behavior has its consequences."
Is it just me, or does this guy also suggest that being a victim of rape is "poor behavior" on the level of murdering, committing suicide, and drunk driving?
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Aratech wrote:A question: I'm 22 years old. Is it a bad thing for me to be this bloody cynical already?
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I wish I could remember who said that.
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tedisbest wrote:
"...We can't keep people from being raped. We can't keep people from shooting each other. We can't keep people from jumping off bridges. People drink and drive, and they crash and kill people. Poor behavior has its consequences."
Is it just me, or does this guy also suggest that being a victim of rape is "poor behavior" on the level of murdering, committing suicide, and drunk driving?
It´s just you. He meant the rapist.
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Seriously, is there any reason to believe that pre-marital sex is going to affect the society in a negative manner to begin with? Any reason at all?

If there is anything that can be said about Conservatives, they tend to be busybodies to begin with, concerning themselves with issues that is not going to have a negative effect on society while not being concerned with issues that needs to be addressed.

That being a busybody can only work one way, that only a conservative should be allowed to impart their values onto other people because a liberal don't have values. :roll:

Ah yes, how easy it is to demonise an entire group of people to justify their immoral action against other people. Like how empires in the past like to paint an entire group of people, woman and child alike as babyeating monsters that is cruel beyond measures, this is what conservative is doing toward in regards to liberals. The need to paint things in black and white because one should not think too much about how society works.
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