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New Scientist wrote: Porn in the USA: Conservatives are biggest consumers

* 16:18 27 February 2009 by Ewen Callaway

Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.

A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.

"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.

However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

"Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by," Edelman says.
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Edelman spends part of his time helping companies such as Microsoft and AOL detect advertising fraud. Another consulting client runs dozens of adult websites, though he says he is not at liberty to identify the firm.

That company did, however, provide Edelman with roughly two years of credit card data from 2006 to 2008 that included a purchase date and each customer's postal code.

After controlling for differences in broadband internet access between states – online porn tends to be a bandwidth hog – and adjusting for population, he found a relatively small difference between states with the most adult purchases and those with the fewest.

The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per 1000. "The differences here are not so stark," Edelman says.

Number 10 on the list was West Virginia at 2.94 subscriptions per 1000, while number 41, Michigan, averaged 2.32.

Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election – Florida and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10 favoured Barack Obama.
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Church-goers bought less online porn on Sundays – a 1% increase in a postal code's religious attendance was associated with a 0.1% drop in subscriptions that day. However, expenditures on other days of the week brought them in line with the rest of the country, Edelman finds.

Residents of 27 states that passed laws banning gay marriages boasted 11% more porn subscribers than states that don't explicitly restrict gay marriage.

To get a better handle on other associations between social attitudes and pornography consumption, Edelman melded his data with a previous study on public attitudes toward religion.

States where a majority of residents agreed with the statement "I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage," bought 3.6 more subscriptions per thousand people than states where a majority disagreed. A similar difference emerged for the statement "AIDS might be God's punishment for immoral sexual behaviour."

"One natural hypothesis is something like repression: if you're told you can't have this, then you want it more," Edelman says.
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Who would have thought? Many self proclaimed conservatives with "old fashioned family values" are hypocrites? I have never even considered the possibility.
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Truly, reacharounds cross all political boundaries. Look at this esteemed, and partial, list

Pat Robertson (heh!)
Barney Frank
Jim Bakker (double heh!)
Bill Clinton
Larry Craig (IIRC, the senator who was arrested in Minneapolis for solicitation)

Finally, something on which we can all agree!
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You forgot Ted Haggard, of "I know what you did last night" fame. Apparently, he knew what you did last night because he was hanging around the same gay bar.
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bobalot wrote:Who would have thought? Many self proclaimed conservatives with "old fashioned family values" are hypocrites? I have never even considered the possibility.
Hmmm, I don't think they are, or at at least they think they are hypocrites. They, the bible thumpers anyways, think it's impulse control, a temptation that they occasionally fail at. They don't see it as normal urges rather as evil temptations and the more they are tempted the more they fuck up and give in. As long as the temptation exists, they're liable to fall prey.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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In which case they are hypocritical for accusing people of not being strong enough to resist the temptation, when they themselves cannot.
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When I used to visit a Pentecostal church, the minister there used to make a point of telling the entire congregation things like "if you have a problem with pornography, feel free to come to me for help."

Pornography = victimless crime = powerful urges that are difficult to ignore = conservative guilt = endless cycle of lapse followed by penance = bigger donations.

Conservative churches must secretly love porno.
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Damn, this could be the start of a kick-ass hypocrite list. Any additions to those already mentioned? To keep the field narrow list a manageable size, perhaps we should stick to politicians and religious leaders.

Ooh, I just remembered another one: Gary Hart, although I don't know if he had a position on porno.
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Think about the fact that Utah, arguably the most religious state in the United States, is the largest purchaser of Online Pornography. It also the state with a largest number of births per person.

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Kitsune wrote:Think about the fact that Utah, arguably the most religious state in the United States, is the largest purchaser of Online Pornography. It also the state with a largest number of births per person.

Yay....go magic underwear
Well, since I live here, what I always tell 'em when it comes up; is that if you repress it, it will show up some where. The urge just doesn't go away.
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To be fair, conservatives buy more porno...it's possible that the relative rates of consumption and buying of pornography are not equivalent among liberals and conservatives.
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Molyneux wrote:To be fair, conservatives buy more porno...it's possible that the relative rates of consumption and buying of pornography are not equivalent among liberals and conservatives.
You mean Conservatives don't believe in that commie principle of looking at free porn? Or streaming it illegally? :wink: I mean it does kind of make sense; their belief in the goodness of the market seems to trump their belief in the goodness of Jesus.

There are a couple of little problems with this study though I feel:

First it only looks at online pornography. A liberal, I would argue, is going to be more comfortable going to a store to buy their pornography whilst also buying other things to improve their sex life. Conservatives I would imagine, typically, would avoid such places and prefer the more secret online transaction. That could mean that they consume about the same amounts of porn - just in different ways. It doesn't ultimately disregard a lot of the implications of the conclusion however.

Second of all it only deals with broadband users; is there any correlation between spending the money to get broadband and wanting porn? Or of being in a higher income bracket? Maybe it is not significant but when you have to start adjusting for things I tend to get suspicious. I'll say though, to be clear, that I don't find my suspicions to be a legitimate article against the article but if somebody could explain the adjustments to make more sense I would be grateful.
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I read the actual paper, and the reason they used broadband users was because, basically, it's damn near impossible to download porn videos (and a lot of trouble just to bring up pictures) on dialup so there's a lot less buying of porn that way, and broadband access varies greatly from state to state. He wanted to adjust for the discrepancy because comparing, say, Washington state (where everything is wired or has wireless, including rest areas way in the middle of nowhere on the interstate and campsites in podunk nowhere) and West Virginia (where, well, how many people even have internet, period?) with just raw data would be a mess.
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I found out about this article on IMDB a few days ago. One of the resident fundies responded with something I just had to share:
The info doesn't really prove what the article writers is trying to spin it to prove. Hence, as usual, this article is more shady darwinist propaganda.

All those states analyzed have plenty of darwinists in them, and the darwinists are the ones who make up those stats of porn consumers.

To accurately say otherwise (ie: for the article in the OP to not be darwinist propaganda), darwinists would have to be segregated into their own state, and then make an analysis. But darwinists don't care about truth enough to do that. Apparently they can fool enough dumbasses to sympathize with them with propaganda articles like the one in the OP.
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You should reply that Darwinists buy less porno, because we don't go through the Christian cycle of building up a secret porn collection, suddenly having paroxysms of guilt, and then throwing it all in the garbage only to start building up a secret stash again later. That's an expensive cycle.

I'm sure he knows all about that cycle, even if he won't admit it ;)
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Regarding the OP, I wasn't suprised when reading that news. I had a dutch collegue who once told me that Holland had their own little bible-belt. You can already guess what they found out in a study about porn consumption.
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Why is it always "Darwinists?"
Kenneth Miller is a Darwinist and a Devout Catholic?
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Kitsune wrote:Why is it always "Darwinists?"
Kenneth Miller is a Darwinist and a Devout Catholic?
When religious fanatics say "darwinist", they always mean "atheist". It's just their perversion upon the language, sort of like the way they say "love" when they actually mean "do what I say or I'll torture you for eternity".
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Darth Wong wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Why is it always "Darwinists?"
Kenneth Miller is a Darwinist and a Devout Catholic?
When religious fanatics say "darwinist", they always mean "atheist". It's just their perversion upon the language, sort of like the way they say "love" when they actually mean "do what I say or I'll torture you for eternity".
I've noticed people use it to try and connect evolution and social darwinism, too. It's a not-so-subtle way to try and construct a slippery slope leading to the Nazis.
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CarsonPalmer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Why is it always "Darwinists?"
Kenneth Miller is a Darwinist and a Devout Catholic?
When religious fanatics say "darwinist", they always mean "atheist". It's just their perversion upon the language, sort of like the way they say "love" when they actually mean "do what I say or I'll torture you for eternity".
I've noticed people use it to try and connect evolution and social darwinism, too. It's a not-so-subtle way to try and construct a slippery slope leading to the Nazis.
That would strike me as simple stupidity rather than malicious dishonesty, except for the fact that the people who do it are usually social darwinists themselves, even if they would never call it that. Instead, they use conservative buzzwords like "personal responsibility" and "moral hazard". They seem to think it's only social darwinism when gas chambers are involved, but when you merely provide pitiful social services so that the infant mortality skyrockets to the level of a third-world country in depressed urban areas, that's just good sense.
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Kitsune wrote:Why is it always "Darwinists?"
Kenneth Miller is a Darwinist and a Devout Catholic?
The guy I quoted doesn't believe Catholics are Christians.

At the top of my head, people he labelled as darwinists include but are not limited to: nazi's, non-christians, people who worship Darwin (they exist?), atheists, abortionists, communists, evolutionists (or every non-creationists for that matter) and liberals.
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wautd wrote:The guy I quoted doesn't believe Catholics are Christians.

At the top of my head, people he labelled as darwinists include but are not limited to: nazi's, non-christians, people who worship Darwin (they exist?), atheists, abortionists, communists, evolutionists (or every non-creationists for that matter) and liberals.
I take it that he is unwilling to acknowledge the fact that all modern Christian church are decedents of the Catholic church?

How about Robert T. Bakker, he is a Pentecostal minister?

I wonder though if you told him that Utah is the highest consumer of broadband porn, he would state "Well, they are not real Christians"
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Kitsune wrote:
wautd wrote:The guy I quoted doesn't believe Catholics are Christians.

At the top of my head, people he labelled as darwinists include but are not limited to: nazi's, non-christians, people who worship Darwin (they exist?), atheists, abortionists, communists, evolutionists (or every non-creationists for that matter) and liberals.
I take it that he is unwilling to acknowledge the fact that all modern Christian church are decedents of the Catholic church?

How about Robert T. Bakker, he is a Pentecostal minister?

I wonder though if you told him that Utah is the highest consumer of broadband porn, he would state "Well, they are not real Christians"
... Except for the Eastern Othodox Church and the Coptic Christians.
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Yes, you are right.......
I get the feeling though that wautd is talking about a protestant who would not consider the Eastern Orthodox or Coptic Church to be Christian either.
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This person probably hasn't even heard of the Eastern Orthodox or Coptic Churches. Also, this type of Protestant usually claims that their backwater branch of evangelicalism or whatever is the true **Original** (must say it with extra sparklies) church that Jesus himself founded, despite all evidence to the contrary, including that in his (or rarely, her) mostly unread Bible. Catholics are supposedly some evil abomination that came afterwards to pollute the *True Message.* I know the type. Think about a less intelligent Jack Chick and you get the idea.
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