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Boom-years borrowing hits churches
Loans dry up, foreclosures and delinquencies rise for houses of worship
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updated 11:22 p.m. CT, Sat., March. 14, 2009


Metropolitan Baptist Church was bursting out of its home.

From a group of freed slaves in Civil War-era Washington, Metropolitan Baptist had grown into a modern-day megachurch and community service powerhouse. In 2006, construction began on the congregation's dream complex in Largo, Md. — a $30 million campus with a 3,000-seat church, an education center and an 1,100-car parking lot.

Last year, the congregation sold its church in Washington. Preparations began for the move to what leaders had taken to calling "God's land in Largo."

But on Oct. 20, their plans were abruptly put on hold.

The Rev. H. Beecher Hicks learned that financing for the project had dried up. Construction stopped. And the congregation found that it was homeless — reduced to renting space and struggling to find new financing.

Add houses of worship to the list of casualties of the mortgage crisis.

Foreclosures and delinquencies for congregations are rising, according to companies that specialize in church mortgages. With credit scarce, church construction sites have gone quiet, holding shells of sanctuaries that were meant to be completed months ago.

Congregants have less money to give, and pastors who stretched to buy property in the boom are struggling to hold onto their churches.

"The economy has dramatically changed over the last year to 18 months in a way that very few, if any, had expected," said John Stoffel, administrative pastor at Seabreeze Church in Huntington Beach, Calif.

At the mercy of lenders
Seabreeze spent about $12 million on a new complex that was completed in 2007. But a drop in donations, partly due to a rift between the pastor and some church members, forced the church to renegotiate for an interest-only mortgage. Stoffel said Seabreeze hasn't missed a payment, yet the mortgage is far from the church's only debt. The church also owes $1.2 million — due this year — on bonds that helped finance the project, and must repay a $200,000 loan that a couple took out on their house to help Seabreeze cover its costs.

It's hard to quantify just how many churches are at risk. Foreclosure records are scattered throughout county offices nationwide. Completing a foreclosure takes months or longer, so it's too soon for many failures to show up on a company's books. In financially stressed churches, clergy are often reluctant to discuss their plight. They don't want to alarm their congregants, and they fear that any complaints about their dealings with banks will backfire.

"Right now, when you're at the mercy of the lenders, you don't want to look like you're coming out against them," said Bishop Eugene Reeves of New Life Anointed Ministries International in Woodbridge, Va.

The 3,500-member Pentecostal church near Washington needs a couple of million dollars to finish its new $19 million complex. Construction stopped last spring when New Life's lender said it would make no new loans to the church, Reeves said.

"We now have children who don't have classrooms to get into, adults who have to go to an overflow room," Reeves said. "We have parking issues. We don't have enough spaces for cars."

Across the country, congregations large and small are struggling to pay off debt:

_Reliance Trust, an Atlanta company that is trustee for nearly three-quarters of the church bonds in the U.S., has seen "some increases in delinquencies," said spokesman Tony Greene, though he would not elaborate.

Among its clients is Temple Beth Haverim in Agoura Hills, Calif., which sought Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last July and owes the company more than $7 million, Reliance said in court documents. The property is estimated to be worth less than what the synagogue owes.

_Strongtower Financial, an arm of the California Baptist Foundation, said in a prospectus that 10 percent of its $119 million in outstanding loans were in default as of March 31, 2008, its most recent required reporting date. Chet Reid, Strongtower's president, said the specifics were private, but the company had only one foreclosure in the last decade — in 2006.

_The Evangelical Christian Credit Union, a major church lender with more than $700 million in loans last year, moved to foreclose on seven of its 1,100 loans in 2008, said Mark Johnson, the company's executive vice president. The company has had "a noticeable increase" in late payments, and two more foreclosures are expected this year, he said. By contrast, the Brea, Calif., company said it had no other foreclosures until 2007, when there were two.

These problems may seem minor compared to the epidemic of foreclosures on private homes. But church mortgages have always been considered one of the more solid investments, with lenders often boasting of only one or two foreclosures over a billion dollars in loans.

Even in bad economic times, people still go to church, which helps shield congregations from downturns, lenders say. Churches also have more flexibility than some other borrowers in cutting expenses. They can end charitable programs or trim staff and still stay open for business.

"You can certainly make a bad church loan if you try hard enough," said Dan Mikes, who leads the church banking group of Bank of the West, a major lender. "But if you're careful and you don't overlend, and you're cautious in the way you underwrite, you're fine."

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However, the recent boom years brought changes that made the industry more vulnerable.

Firms looking for new lending opportunities in a time of easy credit entered the industry, and competition escalated. The size and number of church loans skyrocketed, with several companies reporting double-digit annual growth rates before the bust.

Some lenders even got into the business of securitizing church loans, combining them as an investment in the way banks did with home mortgages. In 2006, Strongtower Financial, based in Fresno, securitized church bonds for the first time, with a $56.3 million offering.

Roland Leavell, president of Rives, Leavell & Co., a church bond broker in Jackson, Miss., said that firms specializing in church financing often aped their commercial loan counterparts, lending too much money without a thorough check of what their clients could afford.

"The starting point was the commercial banks," Leavell said. "When somebody on one side of the business gets moving fast and loose, it makes every body else move fast and loose."

Johnson, of the Evangelical Christian Credit Union, insists that his company upheld its strict underwriting standards throughout the flush years when the firm was growing at an average rate of more than 20 percent annually. He said the economy alone is behind the recent troubles.

"Our history would say that we had done a really good job," evaluating clients, he said. "It has become very visible to everybody today that the recession hit 18 months ago. The foreclosures we've seen have coincided with that."

Shaky finances
But foreclosure and bankruptcy records paint a more complex picture of some of the company's failed clients — and raise questions about whether the pressure for profit altered the industry's normally ultra-cautious approach.

Among the company's foreclosed-upon clients is Juanita Bynum, a former hairdresser and popular Pentecostal preacher. In 2006, she got a loan from the evangelical lender to buy a $4.5 million lakeview property in Waycross, Ga. She planned to use it for her ministry headquarters and to open a spa for beauty treatments and spiritual guidance.

But she never paid her property taxes on time and ended up owing tens of thousands of dollars, said Steve Barnard, the Ware County tax assessor, who threatened to auction off the land over the debt. The credit union paid Bynum's outstanding tax bill before foreclosing on her land last December, when Ware said the property value had dropped to only about $2.5 million.

Another church with shaky finances and a big debt: the Shiloh Institutional Church of God in Christ in Fort Worth, Texas.

The congregation began floundering soon after Shiloh's prominent pastor, Sherman Allen, was publicly accused of molesting women and beating them with a paddle. The accusers said that Allen's superiors in his Pentecostal denomination — the Church of God in Christ — had evidence of the allegations for years and did nothing to stop him. Allen has denied any wrongdoing.

Loans hard to come by
Meanwhile, lawyers for the credit union that holds the church's mortgage found another scandal — this one involving money. In court documents, the attorneys said the church could not explain how it spent $100,000 in income in 2006, that a $30,000 anniversary bonus paid to Allen in 2007 "is potentially a fraudulent transfer," and that the church couldn't provide financial statements from a certified public accountant for 2005 and 2006.

The church filed for bankruptcy in February 2007; the Evangelical Christian Credit Union says Shiloh owes it nearly $3.8 million on a 2005 loan, and sought to foreclose.

As in the residential mortgage industry, tight credit has had a chilling effect on loans to houses of worship. Reid, the head of Strongtower, said his company is doing less lending, but he would not discuss specifics. Johnson, of the Evangelical Christian Credit Union, said the company isn't making loans to new clients.

"We're struggling to do a good thing for our community," Hicks said. "Hopefully, we'll get past this impasse and move forward."
Looks like the congregations are being chased out of their temples by the moneychangers.

In the movie Pale Rider (1985), the Clint Eastwood character, Death appearing in the guise of a preacher, rejects a bribe from a railroad magnate by saying that a man cannot serve both God and Mammon. But the megachurch pastors forgot that when they wedded their evangelism to the Gospel according to the GOP.

This is only the beginning as well. You can bet a lot of these megachurches have been leveraged to the hilt and now, with the market crash and the banking crisis, not even God is going to save them from the nearest county sheriff nailing up the foreclosure and eviction notice on the door.
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Given that some of these ministers claimed that wealth and prosperity was a sign of God's favor, does this mean God is not happy with them any more....?
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Last year, the congregation sold its church in Washington. Preparations began for the move to what leaders had taken to calling "God's land in Largo."

But on Oct. 20, their plans were abruptly put on hold.

The Rev. H. Beecher Hicks learned that financing for the project had dried up. Construction stopped. And the congregation found that it was homeless — reduced to renting space and struggling to find new financing.
Looks like even God can't escape economic corrections. And he claimed to be omnipotent.
Foreclosures and delinquencies for congregations are rising, according to companies that specialize in church mortgages. With credit scarce, church construction sites have gone quiet, holding shells of sanctuaries that were meant to be completed months ago.

Congregants have less money to give, and pastors who stretched to buy property in the boom are struggling to hold onto their churches.
These people claim that God talks to them. I wonder why he didn't warn them. Instead, it sounds like he encouraged them to buy, buy buy. Does this mean ... God is actually Jim Cramer?
"The economy has dramatically changed over the last year to 18 months in a way that very few, if any, had expected," said John Stoffel, administrative pastor at Seabreeze Church in Huntington Beach, Calif.
Dude, people like you claim divine guidance. Why didn't you get a warning? Shouldn't you have at least gotten a bad feeling? Does the fallibility of your belief system occur to you yet?
The 3,500-member Pentecostal church near Washington needs a couple of million dollars to finish its new $19 million complex. Construction stopped last spring when New Life's lender said it would make no new loans to the church, Reeves said.

"We now have children who don't have classrooms to get into, adults who have to go to an overflow room," Reeves said. "We have parking issues. We don't have enough spaces for cars."
Meanwhile, it wouldn't surprise me if there were schools in your area that are running short of funds. Too bad you couldn't donate those millions of dollars to help them instead of this stupid church bullshit. The Judeo-Christian religion has been wasting huge amounts of money to construct lavish temples for thousands of years, and what has all this accomplished?
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Darth Wong wrote: Meanwhile, it wouldn't surprise me if there were schools in your area that are running short of funds. Too bad you couldn't donate those millions of dollars to help them instead of this stupid church bullshit. The Judeo-Christian religion has been wasting huge amounts of money to construct lavish temples for thousands of years, and what has all this accomplished?
Encouraging the templegoers to smite the heathens living in the next valley, and then to take their schools and money? :P .

It's unfortunate that there's no political chance of churches starting to be taxed, or at least religious donations ("It's just the same as charity, you can't tax charity!"), even if the budget crunch may push towards it. Call me pessimistic. Still, one can hope (Same for legalized, taxed Marijuana and/or prostitution)
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Darth Wong wrote:
"The economy has dramatically changed over the last year to 18 months in a way that very few, if any, had expected," said John Stoffel, administrative pastor at Seabreeze Church in Huntington Beach, Calif.
Dude, people like you claim divine guidance. Why didn't you get a warning? Shouldn't you have at least gotten a bad feeling? Does the fallibility of your belief system occur to you yet?
They will excuse it by saying God needed to "humble" his followers. Because their God is... well, a sadistic bastard (his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth).
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Oh, the delicious irony of it all...
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Broomstick wrote:Given that some of these ministers claimed that wealth and prosperity was a sign of God's favor, does this mean God is not happy with them any more....?

Could be, or maybe God is just testing them. Apparently he likes to do that from time to time. :roll:
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What is going to happen to those Cyclopean churches when the bank takes possession of them? I mean, is there any demand for such a purpose-built structure, except for as a megachurch?
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:What is going to happen to those Cyclopean churches when the bank takes possession of them? I mean, is there any demand for such a purpose-built structure, except for as a megachurch?
Maybe someone could turn it into a nightclub?
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:What is going to happen to those Cyclopean churches when the bank takes possession of them? I mean, is there any demand for such a purpose-built structure, except for as a megachurch?
Maybe someone could turn it into a nightclub?
That or tear them down, recycle what materials they can, trash the rest. Use the land for something else.

I'd imagine that most of the megachurches are in areas where a nightclub in what used to be a church would go over like ton of bricks.
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:What is going to happen to those Cyclopean churches when the bank takes possession of them? I mean, is there any demand for such a purpose-built structure, except for as a megachurch?
Homeless shelters, unemployment offices, Wal-Marts.....
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:What is going to happen to those Cyclopean churches when the bank takes possession of them? I mean, is there any demand for such a purpose-built structure, except for as a megachurch?
They're actually pretty well built for a multitude of commercial purposes. You could fill them with shops, restaurants, etc.
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Full of people dedicated to the pursuit of wealth, shrines to the almighty dollar. So the purpose of the building actually would change little. It's just they don't cover their profit seeking with a veneer of piety.
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Setzer wrote:Full of people dedicated to the pursuit of wealth, shrines to the almighty dollar. So the purpose of the building actually would change little. It's just they don't cover their profit seeking with a veneer of piety.
Exactly. The converted megachurch structures would be serving a more honest purpose.
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Broomstick wrote: Homeless shelters, unemployment offices, Wal-Marts.....
I often wonder why the reverse doesn't happen. Why don't these churches convert an old armory or business into a church? You could easily pack thousands into an old armory, all you have to do is bring in some pews, throw up some religious art and put a cross on top. Probably save yourself millions, which they could then use to operate a huge soup kitchen or used clothing store out of the back.
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Because God loves Bling. The most sparkles your church has, the better your chances of getting into Heaven! Duh!
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Chris OFarrell wrote:Because God loves Bling. The most sparkles your church has, the better your chances of getting into Heaven! Duh!
So glue some rhinestones on the outside or something. I suppose I just have trouble seeing things from the POV of a fundie but then, the mega-church phase seems to be absent from this area.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:I often wonder why the reverse doesn't happen. Why don't these churches convert an old armory or business into a church? You could easily pack thousands into an old armory, all you have to do is bring in some pews, throw up some religious art and put a cross on top. Probably save yourself millions, which they could then use to operate a huge soup kitchen or used clothing store out of the back.
There places like that all over the South. There's a movie theater in my town that doubles as a Church on Sundays and several strip malls that have a shop being rented out by Church.

Also there is the hated (By Protestant Megachurch's) home church movement. Where a home will serve as the church. Sometimes a garage or shop will be turned into the Church. Then there are High School gymnasiums an auditoriums being rented out on Sundays.

The Catholic Parishes I've been to hate expanding as they feel it takes cash away from helping the poor so only do it when they have to. Bring building up to code or expand to hold an increase of members for example.
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Protestants hating the home church movement? Didn't they pioneer the idea that all men were priests?
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Setzer wrote:Protestants hating the home church movement? Didn't they pioneer the idea that all men were priests?
That's because the movement is taking money away. After all why give 10% to a place you don't go?

Just assume on average you get in a given month 100 dollars from every parishioner (What my Parish got from me when I was working and attending). In my area there is around 200+ home churches with what looked to me an average of fifty members[1].

That is 10,000 people not in a Church. Which is potentially $1,000,000.00 there not getting (If I did my math right). Need I say more?

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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Broomstick wrote: Homeless shelters, unemployment offices, Wal-Marts.....
I often wonder why the reverse doesn't happen. Why don't these churches convert an old armory or business into a church? You could easily pack thousands into an old armory, all you have to do is bring in some pews, throw up some religious art and put a cross on top. Probably save yourself millions, which they could then use to operate a huge soup kitchen or used clothing store out of the back.
Happens all the time. Small towns with empty storefronts through their downtown area often have a little church in one of the buildings. The towns are usually glad to have one less abandoned building. These places aren't megachurches, though. If they had money they wouldn't be in a converted drug store.
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Rye wrote:They're actually pretty well built for a multitude of commercial purposes. You could fill them with shops, restaurants, etc.
Are they really laid out for that? I have to admit I haven't been in any church designed to hold thousands, but I have a hard time believing that their interiors are suited for commercial purposes. My thought would be that you'd have an impractically large auditorium, smaller ancillary chapels, office space for administrative personnel, classrooms for sunday school, and a cafeteria with kitchen for fellowship luncheons and shit. That is, something with more resemblance to a high school than to a mall. I can't see that being used for commercial space without really extensive remodeling.
Happens all the time. Small towns with empty storefronts through their downtown area often have a little church in one of the buildings. The towns are usually glad to have one less abandoned building. These places aren't megachurches, though. If they had money they wouldn't be in a converted drug store.
To my lapsed Catholic mind there is just something unsavory and untrustworthy about a "church" in a strip mall, and I think my subjective judgment is pretty accurate, given that those places so often have generic descriptors ("Bible Church" is my favorite). I see a sign that says "Bible Church of Jesus" on a storefront next to a take-out Chinese place and I automatically think of snake handling.
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Depending on how accessible these megachurches are (I assume they're easy to get to), you could turn them into municipal-run community centers or possibly tradeshow venues.

I'll admit that the thought of these decadent, self-indulgent displays going under fills me with glee, but I really do hope that the property doesn't go to waste.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Broomstick wrote: Homeless shelters, unemployment offices, Wal-Marts.....
I often wonder why the reverse doesn't happen. Why don't these churches convert an old armory or business into a church? You could easily pack thousands into an old armory, all you have to do is bring in some pews, throw up some religious art and put a cross on top. Probably save yourself millions, which they could then use to operate a huge soup kitchen or used clothing store out of the back.
There actually are churches that rent/buy old storefronts, old buildings, etc. - in fact, they're often called "storefront churches" - that do just that. You don't hear much about them because, of course, they don't have slick preachermen and million dollar advertising budgets. They tend to be very grass-roots with, indeed, soup kitchens, clothing stores, day care, and similar community services. Arguably, they do more good than the slick churches because the people they serve tend to be those worst off.

Of course, you have rip-off storefront churches, too.
Invictus ChicKen wrote: Also there is the hated (By Protestant Megachurch's) home church movement. Where a home will serve as the church.
This is one of the points of friction between the Amish and some of the other Protestants. The Amish have no churches as separate buildings, they always use a member's home for worship (they rotate the location among the membership). For that matter, Amish clergy receive no pay for their religious duties, either, they are in addition to whatever the man does for a living. The Amish don't have professional clergy in same sense as, say, the Southern Baptists do.
Darth Yoshi wrote: Depending on how accessible these megachurches are (I assume they're easy to get to), you could turn them into municipal-run community centers or possibly tradeshow venues.
They are "easily accessible" only if you have a car and don't mind crossing acres of concrete to get to the door.
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Re: Schadenfreude — Megachurches Facing Foreclosure

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Cpl Kendall wrote:I often wonder why the reverse doesn't happen. Why don't these churches convert an old armory or business into a church? You could easily pack thousands into an old armory, all you have to do is bring in some pews, throw up some religious art and put a cross on top. Probably save yourself millions, which they could then use to operate a huge soup kitchen or used clothing store out of the back.
They'd probably think it was enormously disrespectful to God to even consider going cheap on "the Lord's house"...
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