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Afghan Court Backs Prison Term for Blasphemy

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Supreme Court in Afghanistan has upheld a 20-year prison sentence for an Afghan university student journalist accused of blasphemy. The case has alarmed news media and rights organizations in the country and abroad.

The student’s family and lawyers said Wednesday that they had learned only recently about the court decision, which was made in secret on Feb. 12, and they called the procedure illegal.

The student, Parwiz Kambakhsh, 24, from northern Afghanistan, was arrested in 2007 and sentenced to death for blasphemy after accusations that he had written and distributed an article about the role of women in Islam. Mr. Kambakhsh has denied having written the article and said he had downloaded it from the Internet. His family and lawyers say he has been denied a fair trial.

In 2008, an appeals court in Kabul commuted the death sentence to 20 years’ imprisonment, a decision that was upheld by a tribunal of the Supreme Court last month.

“Unfortunately the Supreme Court has confirmed the 20-year prison sentence for my brother,” said Yaqoub Ibrahimi, who is Mr. Kambakhsh’s brother. “We did not expect it at all.”

The decision came to light only when the attorney general’s office issued orders to the northern province of Balkh to enforce the decision, Afzal Nooristani, a defense lawyer for Mr. Kambakhsh, said in a telephone interview.

“I was not allowed to talk with the judges and officials, which is a complete violation of law,” he said.

Judges at the Supreme Court were reluctant to comment on the case, except to say that Ghulam Nabi Nawaie, the lead judge of the tribunal that made the decision, was in India for medical treatment.

Enayatullah Kamal, the deputy attorney general, confirmed that his office had been notified of the decision, but he said Mr. Kambakhsh still had the right to appeal the tribunal’s decision.

The case has been watched keenly by the independent Afghan news media, which have felt growing pressure from government, political and religious circles. Journalists and news organizations flourished in the early post-Taliban years under President Hamid Karzai, but have increasingly suffered from threats and attacks from the Taliban and pressure from the government and religious conservatives.

An Afghan journalist, Javed Ahmad, 23, who worked for the Canadian broadcaster CTV, was gunned down Tuesday evening in the center of the southern city of Kandahar, the second killing of an Afghan journalist in southern Afghanistan in nine months. Abdul Samad Rohani, a journalist in Helmand Province, was shot dead last year, in a killing thought to be connected to his investigation of police involvement in the drug trade.

Three other well-established journalists have left Kandahar in recent months after receiving threats from Taliban insurgents over their coverage of events.

Another journalist, Ghows Zalmai, has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for blasphemy after publishing a Dari translation of the Koran that hard-line clerics disputed, said Human Rights Watch, based in New York.

Western diplomats and human rights organizations have expressed concern that despite Mr. Karzai’s assurances of press freedom and freedom of speech, journalists and civilians are under an increasing threat from both insurgents and conservative religious clerics allied with the government. Mr. Karzai, his critics say, is reluctant to move against the clerics in an election year.

Mr. Kambakhsh’s brother and the lawyer, Mr. Nooristani, said they were dismayed because they had seen the Supreme Court as their last resort. Mr. Kambakhsh was originally sentenced after a trial lasting only minutes in which he was not allowed to defend himself. In the appeals court, an important student witness against him retracted his statement, but was ignored.

“This is the tragic level of justice in Afghanistan today,” Mr. Ibrahimi, the brother, said in a statement. “It is just a make-believe system of justice and humanitarianism. The reality is that the Afghan government and judiciary, although supported by the U.S., the U.N., the E.U. and other democracies worldwide, is morally bankrupt.”

Human Rights Watch urged the Afghan president to pardon Mr. Kambakhsh. “The Supreme Court represented the last hope that Parwiz Kambakhsh would receive a fair hearing, but once again justice was denied,” said Brad Adams, the organization’s Asia director. “Kambakhsh has committed no crime.”

Abdul Waheed Wafa reported from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Carlotta Gall from Islamabad, Pakistan. Taimoor Shah contributed reporting from Kandahar, Afghanistan.

Luckily for him it was originally a death sentence so yay for bringing democracy to Afghanistan.
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20 years? Reduced from death? I can understand, after a fashion, some kind of punishment for blasphemy, but this?

I shouldn't be surprised though; iirc, the Bible states that people who break the Sabbath, among other things, should be stoned to death.
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The Spartan wrote:20 years? Reduced from death? I can understand, after a fashion, some kind of punishment for blasphemy, but this?

I shouldn't be surprised though; iirc, the Bible states that people who break the Sabbath, among other things, should be stoned to death.
And then says only the ones without sin themselves should actually carry it out, remember.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
The Spartan wrote:20 years? Reduced from death? I can understand, after a fashion, some kind of punishment for blasphemy, but this?

I shouldn't be surprised though; iirc, the Bible states that people who break the Sabbath, among other things, should be stoned to death.
And then says only the ones without sin themselves should actually carry it out, remember.
A worthless admonition since it would lead to anarchy and the destruction of government, which is why 100% of Christian-dominated governments have ignored this throughout history. It's not a valid defense of Biblical ideology. You can't even raise a child by following this idiotic "only he who is without sin can punish others" principle.

Christianity is full of stuff like this: wild fanciful moral statements which are so extreme that no one could possibly obey them.

PS. Interestingly enough, Jesus did not volunteer to stone the woman himself, even though the law clearly states that she should be stoned, and he said not one word would vanish from the law. Ergo, this part of the Bible proves that either Jesus himself was already a sinner (hence he could not administer the punishment) or he was ignoring God's law himself (which makes him a sinner as of that moment).
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
The Spartan wrote:20 years? Reduced from death? I can understand, after a fashion, some kind of punishment for blasphemy, but this?

I shouldn't be surprised though; iirc, the Bible states that people who break the Sabbath, among other things, should be stoned to death.
And then says only the ones without sin themselves should actually carry it out, remember.
A worthless admonition since it would lead to anarchy and the destruction of government, which is why 100% of Christian-dominated governments have ignored this throughout history. It's not a valid defense of Biblical ideology. You can't even raise a child by following this idiotic "only he who is without sin can punish others" principle.
It isn't a commentary on the feasibility of a Christian theocracy. I just get tired of people talking about the Old Testament like its the be all and end all of Christian morality.
PS. Interestingly enough, Jesus did not volunteer to stone the woman himself, even though the law clearly states that she should be stoned, and he said not one word would vanish from the law. Ergo, this part of the Bible proves that either Jesus himself was already a sinner (hence he could not administer the punishment) or he was ignoring God's law himself (which makes him a sinner as of that moment).
Or not, because the entire point of all that was that because he was God he could forgive her. And subsequently did.

Besides that, he also said we were no longer bound by the old laws. So it's moot.
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The Spartan wrote:20 years? Reduced from death? I can understand, after a fashion, some kind of punishment for blasphemy, but this?
It is indeed quite a lot for a victimless crime. I wonder what kind of punishments they'll give for crimes with actual victims. Oh right, in the case of gangrapes: punish the victim.
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It was only a few years ago that they reestablished an equivalent of the Ministry of Vice and Virtue, as I recall. Is there any reason we're still letting our troops die for any of this?
Ryan Thunder wrote:Or not, because the entire point of all that was that because he was God he could forgive her. And subsequently did.
Making a Christian universe only as consistent as the whims of it's creator.
Besides that, he also said we were no longer bound by the old laws. So it's moot.
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Ryan Thunder wrote: It isn't a commentary on the feasibility of a Christian theocracy. I just get tired of people talking about the Old Testament like its the be all and end all of Christian morality.
Since the New Testament doesn't actually do away with any of the laws in the Old Testament it's not as if you can just ignore what the Old Testament says, the way a lot of Christians want to.
Or not, because the entire point of all that was that because he was God he could forgive her. And subsequently did.

Besides that, he also said we were no longer bound by the old laws. So it's moot.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:It isn't a commentary on the feasibility of a Christian theocracy. I just get tired of people talking about the Old Testament like its the be all and end all of Christian morality.
If a moral system is useless for society rather than isolated individuals, then it is useless, period. The whole point of moral codes is to regulate social behaviour. A man living on a deserted island does not need morality.
Or not, because the entire point of all that was that because he was God he could forgive her. And subsequently did.
No, he can't. According to Christian doctrine, only those who believe in God can be forgiven. He made no attempt to ascertain whether this was the case for the prostitute, nor did it factor into his statements. Moreover, he did not say "I forgive this woman because I am God". He said "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone".
Besides that, he also said we were no longer bound by the old laws. So it's moot.
That ignorant statement is not only wrong, it's irrelevant. Even if we were not "bound" by those laws, they would still constitute a statement on what God thinks is or isn't moral, because he obviously did think that those laws were moral at one time, and he is supposedly all-knowing. He can't admit that he was wrong about anything, which means he should still think those laws about stoning people are perfectly moral today. Regardless of whether he thinks we should be forced to obey them.
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:It was only a few years ago that they reestablished an equivalent of the Ministry of Vice and Virtue, as I recall. Is there any reason we're still letting our troops die for any of this?
I can't see any particular reason to continue, this was inevitable once we allowed them to write their own constitution rather then handing one down to them that didn't establish Islamic law as the basis of the country's legal system.
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More to the point, it was inevitable as long as we tried to paint ourselves as the champions of democracy. What we want in Afghanistan is not democracy; it is cultural imperialism.

Maybe we can tell ourselves that it's different from the 18th century. Maybe we can tell ourselves that this time, our culture really is superior in some various objective ways we can describe. But at the end of the day, it's still cultural imperialism. We want them to be like us.

We never really wanted them to have democracy. Except for those of us who were so stupid that we sincerely thought they were already like us, and just needed the freedom to say so.
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This dovetails nicely, I think.
President Hamid Karzai has signed a law the UN says legalises rape in marriage and prevents women from leaving the house without permission.


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Hamid Karzai: Hamid Karzai signs law 'legalising rape in marriage'
Mr Karzai has been accused of electioneering at the expense of women's rights by signing the law to appeal to crucial Shia swing voters in this year's presidential poll Photo: AFP/GETTY

The law, which has not been publicly released, is believed to state women can only seek work, education or doctor's appointments with their husband's permission.

Only fathers and grandfathers are granted custody of children under the law, according to the United Nations Development Fund for Women.

Opponents of the legislation governing the personal lives of Afghanistan's Shia minority have said it is "worse than during the Taliban".

Mr Karzai has been accused of electioneering at the expense of women's rights by signing the law to appeal to crucial Shia swing voters in this year's presidential poll.

While the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, thought to represent 10 per cent of the population, the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law.

The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy.

The bill passed both houses of the Afghan parliament, but was so contentious that the United Nations and women's rights campaigners have so far been unable to see a copy of the approved bill.

Shinkai Zahine Karokhail, a female MP, said the law had been rushed through with little debate.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "They wanted to pass it almost like a secret negotiation, "There were lots of things that we wanted to change, but they didn't want to discuss it because Karzai wants to please the Shia before the election."

The Afghan justice ministry confirmed the law had been signed, but said it would not be published until technical difficulties had been overcome.

A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai would not comment.
IIRC we had a discussion (probably several) on the board of where things would lead after the Vice and Virtue Ministry was setup and a return to the ways of the Taliban was tossed around. If this article is indeed correct then I don't see much different between them and the legal government.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:Or not, because the entire point of all that was that because he was God he could forgive her. And subsequently did.
No, he can't. According to Christian doctrine, only those who believe in God can be forgiven. He made no attempt to ascertain whether this was the case for the prostitute, nor did it factor into his statements. Moreover, he did not say "I forgive this woman because I am God". He said "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone".
If Ryan Thunder is not a Bible literalist then the text is not as important as the subtext as seen through the lens of his general belief system (this can get amusingly recursive).

If he's Roman Catholic then it's even better. The Church's authority exceeds that of the Bible, so it doesn't matter a damn what the Bible says. That's one of my favourite aspects of the Church, some sly bastard must have realized at one point that what was convenient in AD 325 might not be convenient in the future. Pity they don't take advantage of it anywhere near as often as I would like.
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Darth Wong wrote:More to the point, it was inevitable as long as we tried to paint ourselves as the champions of democracy. What we want in Afghanistan is not democracy; it is cultural imperialism.

Maybe we can tell ourselves that it's different from the 18th century. Maybe we can tell ourselves that this time, our culture really is superior in some various objective ways we can describe. But at the end of the day, it's still cultural imperialism. We want them to be like us.

We never really wanted them to have democracy. Except for those of us who were so stupid that we sincerely thought they were already like us, and just needed the freedom to say so.
I heard Kabul is slightly more similar, but the rest of the country... of course, this is a country where the Supreme Court was considering executing someone for apostacy quite recently (he had to flee the county) so I think we can say for certainty that Afghanistan is going to remain like this for quite some time.

As for cultural imperialism, what is wrong with that? Its fun, profitable and less intrusive than the Chinese or Soviet version.
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It isn't a commentary on the feasibility of a Christian theocracy. I just get tired of people talking about the Old Testament like its the be all and end all of Christian morality.
That's right. It isnt. That is because christian theology itself bastardizes and twists jewish theology in the same way that the Jim Jones Cult twisted and bastardized christianity, the only difference is that not everyone drank the poisoned Koolaid. Jesus did not meet the criteria to the Messiah, in fact all the prophecies that Chrisitans rely on Jesus either did not meet, or were not prophecies. Often times this was the result of deliberate mistranslation.

The character that was Jesus was essentially a proto-reform rabbi. Nothing more, nothing less.

Besides that, he also said we were no longer bound by the old laws. So it's moot.
Gentiles were never bound by the law in the first place. The Law, as described in the written and oral torah, only applied to jews, and was essentially a contractual agreement between them and God, saying he would preserve them and keep them alive through time provided they followed 613 arbitrary rules. Most of them dont even have moral force in rabbinical judiasm IIRC, it is a law that is followed because they culturally agreed to it.

But if course, christians ignore their own holy texts (because if they are really an outgrowth of judiasm, the commentary etc applies to them too) in favor of their bastardized concept of sin. There is not an internally consistent part of the ENTIRE edifice of christian theology.
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That critique of Christianity would be more devastating if so much of Judaism hadn't been pretty much manufactured sometime around 400 BC. Saying it's a bastardization of Judaism is kind of laughable considering the number of changes, including erasing all the other gods, that have been done to the religion.
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Imperial Overlord wrote:That critique of Christianity would be more devastating if so much of Judaism hadn't been pretty much manufactured sometime around 400 BC. Saying it's a bastardization of Judaism is kind of laughable considering the number of changes, including erasing all the other gods, that have been done to the religion.
Hey, I am not saying Judiasm is itself right or anything, only that christianity both modern and ancient is in no way consistent with its own theological grounding.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: Hey, I am not saying Judiasm is itself right or anything, only that christianity both modern and ancient is in no way consistent with its own theological grounding.
Neither is Judaism. Religion's make shit up and aren't logical. News at eleven.
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Imperial Overlord wrote:That critique of Christianity would be more devastating if so much of Judaism hadn't been pretty much manufactured sometime around 400 BC. Saying it's a bastardization of Judaism is kind of laughable considering the number of changes, including erasing all the other gods, that have been done to the religion.
How the fuck is it "laughable" to say that Christianity is not faithful to the thing it claims to be the fulfillment of, just because that thing is itself not logical?
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"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" isn't actually part of the Bible; it's a later insert, viz. this evidence, and numerous others. The universal agreement of scholarship is that that whole parable is not a legitimate part of the Bible, that Jesus never said it, and it never happened (This is incidentally referring to Christian scholars who assert the Bible is factual, obviously people who don't believe it's factual at all think that, but even they agree this section of the text was a later insert to the Gospel of John, and illegitimate). Only KJV types and American retard protestants and so on still use the verse, because it isn't real.
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Darth Wong wrote: How the fuck is it "laughable" to say that Christianity is not faithful to the thing it claims to be the fulfillment of, just because that thing is itself not logical?


I meant it only in terms of comparing Christianity's "accuracy" to Judaism. Both religions rewrite their past in order to make it conform with their then current doctrines. As a general critique of Christianity, its failures to conform to the Old Testament is a valid point of criticism.
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Samuel wrote:As for cultural imperialism, what is wrong with that? Its fun, profitable and less intrusive than the Chinese or Soviet version.
Can you explain how this is true, with reference to Afghanistan?
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Stark wrote:
Samuel wrote:As for cultural imperialism, what is wrong with that? Its fun, profitable and less intrusive than the Chinese or Soviet version.
Can you explain how this is true, with reference to Afghanistan?
We aren't doing forced resettlement or dumping American colonists in the country (although, to be fair, I can't think of any Americans who would want to live there). I know- I'm setting very low standards.
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No, you said fun, profitable, and 'less intrusive' than other methods, as a justification for why cultural imperialism is good (and not generally doomed to failure due to poor goal-setting). Explain how it's 'fun' or 'profitable'.
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In other words, it's only bad when somebody else does it? You don't see why this line of thinking is morally bankrupt?

EDIT: in case it wasn't obvious that was in response to Samuel's post.
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