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Study: Housing homeless, letting them drink saves $4M a year

An innovative program that takes homeless alcoholics off the street and gives them a place to live without requiring them to stop drinking is saving taxpayers more than $4 million a year in emergency social and health programs, according to a study released Tuesday.

By DONNA GORDON BLANKINSHIP
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SEATTLE — An innovative program that takes homeless alcoholics off the street and gives them a place to live without requiring them to stop drinking is saving taxpayers more than $4 million a year in emergency social and health programs, according to a study released Tuesday.

The study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, endorses the "housing first" approach that calls for putting homeless people in permanent homes with supportive services instead of requiring them to stop drinking and taking drugs to earn their shelter.

Researchers at the University of Washington followed 95 chronic alcoholics before and after they moved into supportive housing at the edge of downtown Seattle. They also kept tabs on a control group who were on the waiting list for the apartment building.

They found the average cost of alcohol-related hospital emergency services, the nonprofit "sobering center" where police bring alcoholics to dry out, and the King County jail was $4,832 per person per month while the 95 were living on the street.

Six months after moving into the apartment building, the average cost for these services dropped to $1,492 per person per month.

Taxpayer and privately donated money was used to build the $11.2 million apartment building. The nonprofit Downtown Emergency Service Center spends about $11,000 per resident a year to operate the building, which opened at the end of 2005.

Even with the cost of the building and the program taken into consideration, the program saves money, said lead research Mary Larimer, professor of psychiatry and behavior sciences at the University of Washington.

The study also looked at what happened to alcohol use for the people who moved into the building, where residents are allowed to drink in their apartments.

Contrary to expectations, the residents of the 1811 Eastlake building decreased their drinking after moving in. Some even stopped entirely, Larimer said.

Bill Hobson, executive director of the Downtown Emergency Service Center, said this finding has inspired his agency to start looking deeper into what it can do to encourage the residents to sober up. He thinks researchers will also be intrigued by this result.

Clinical studies paint a bleak picture of the likelihood of recovery for a chronic alcoholic past the age of 45 with multiple failures at rehabilitation, giving them only a 5 percent chance they will decrease the amount they drink, Hobson said.

"Maybe the prognosis is not as bleak as we all thought," Hobson said.

But Hobson emphasizes the main finding of the study: the project saves a significant amount of taxpayer money.

"I cannot think of anything that has happened to me in the last 20 to 25 years that has felt better than the vindication of this research," Hobson said.

Government officials and homeless advocates in other cities noticed, even before the research was published.

Similar projects are being considered in New York, Atlanta, Fort Worth, Phoenix and Los Angeles and delegations from those cities have traveled to Seattle to learn more about the project, Hobson said.

Seattle city government has also invested more in "housing first" projects. The city has helped pay for more than 200 units in buildings for homeless people who frequently use emergency services, including the severely mentally ill.

A program to house homeless Native Americans who have chronic drinking problems serves a similar population in Minneapolis.
This is one of those few "everybody wins" scenarios.

Amusingly, while searching for this article (I'd originally read it in the paper) I found a link to a Huffington Post article about this article. A couple choice tidbits from there:
When it was first unveiled three years ago, Seattle's pilot program was not well received.

"We're paying for them to live there... sitting around all day in publicly subsidized apartments and drinking," said Tucker Carlson of WNBC, who was apoplectic when he first heard about it. . "That's a dream for winos. That's a dream for a lot of Americans. I think that Kevin Federline essentially does that."

"It's a living monument to a failed social policy" said John Carlson, a conservative local talk show host. It's "aiding and abetting someone's self-destruction."
And I imagine in all those other cities, the opposition to the project will be saying the exact same stupid things despite the evidence to the contrary.
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It's one of those things that we don't WANT to be true, but it is.
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What happens? They stop drinking, they have a place to live, which means they have an address which means they have a shot at *gasp* getting a job. Oh noes!
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I wonder if the program could be extended to other types of drug abuse. If it is shown to work and the monetary savings are clear, the program will spread.
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Yet another kick to the throat of the "bootstrap" principle of anti-social program freemarketphiles and their gut feeling driven belief system. I'll gladly bookmark this for future debates.
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:Yet another kick to the throat of the "bootstrap" principle of anti-social program freemarketphiles and their gut feeling driven belief system. I'll gladly bookmark this for future debates.
The general claim of libertopians is that if the government didn't pay for it, private charity would. Of course this is utter tripe; not only has philanthropy become less popular with the rich, what remains is focused on photogenic and trendy causes, which rescuing derelict alcoholics is definitely not. In fact the only alternative to government programs with enough funding to make a difference is evangelists looking for victims to convert - which we hardly want to encourage, and in any case even they are finding it hard to fund operations these days.
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Mayabird wrote:Contrary to expectations, the residents of the 1811 Eastlake building decreased their drinking after moving in. Some even stopped entirely, Larimer said.
Who knew? People who're getting up after having reached rock bottom don't want to escape reality as much. What a shocker.
CaptainChewbacca wrote:It's one of those things that we don't WANT to be true, but it is.
Why would we not want this to be true? It's, as Mayabird said, an "everybody wins" scenario.
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A certain type of person views drug addiction, alcoholism, mental illness, homelessness, etc. as a character flaw rather a disease, disorder, back luck, whatever. So in order to "correct" this supposed flaw one should punish people rather than help them.
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Broomstick wrote:A certain type of person views drug addiction, alcoholism, mental illness, homelessness, etc. as a character flaw rather a disease, disorder, back luck, whatever. So in order to "correct" this supposed flaw one should punish people rather than help them.
Yes, that bit about mental illness is to me particularly aggravating.

Anyway I would think this is fairly obvious stuff, I mean even if you're down and out in Norway you'll still get a home to live in and money to buy food. They won't pay for your drugs or alkohol, but no one is forced to live on the streets. I can't for the life of me see the point to that, if someone is an alcoholic they need extra attention to make sure they don't kill themselves.
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According to the ... well, whatever you want to call them... it's GOOD if the chronic alcoholics die because then they're no longer a burden to society and they stop costing the "good" citizens tax money. Dead people are cheaper than charity cases.

I view this attitude as despicable, but it does exist
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Have any of these people recently paid for a funeral? Even a quick cremation or dropping them in a random hole in the ground isn't cheap (unless you're doing it Zed's way, out in the Nevada desert, of course). They'll cost you a bunch, unless they all drop dead within a couple days of each other. Then perhaps they'd get a bulk discount.
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Unclaimed bodies in the US are typically stored for awhile then cremated, usually organized and paid for at the city or county level, then interred in a "potter's field". As bare bones as body disposal gets.

The morally bankrupt will point out that this is still cheaper than years of supporting them.
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But still, wouldn't having them back as productive members of society pay off anything they cost while they're down and out? A few decades of paying taxes should be more than enough.
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I agree. However the objections seem to boil down to either "it's not society's responsibility to coddle people with problems", or "it's not society's responsibility to deal with this", or "they will never be productive again, so why waste the resources?"

I have objection's to all of the above arguments, as I'm sure you do.
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Ironically it would actually be cheaper to supply homeless people with alcohol in a controlled environment then it would be to foot the medical expenses incurred after they get fucked up on engine degreaser.
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Except that here in the US the conservatards would say we shouldn't be footing the medical bills for irresponsible people. End of problem. :roll:
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Broomstick wrote:Except that here in the US the conservatards would say we shouldn't be footing the medical bills for irresponsible people. End of problem. :roll:
I'll be sure to throw that line in their faces the next time some (Likely conservative) idiot gets mauled in a car accident because he was practicing his "right" to nor wear a seat belt.
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