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Should Obama Control the Internet?

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This from Mother Jones online:
Mother Jones wrote:Should Obama Control the Internet?

A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data.
—By Steve Aquino

Thu April 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST
Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any "critical" information network "in the interest of national security." The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.

The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.

Rockefeller made cybersecurity one of his key issues as a member of the Senate intelligence committee, which he chaired until last year. He now heads the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which will take up this bill.

"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs—from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records—the list goes on," Rockefeller said in a statement. Snowe echoed her colleague, saying, "if we fail to take swift action, we, regrettably, risk a cyber-Katrina."

But the wide powers outlined in the Rockefeller-Snowe legislation has at least one Internet advocacy group worried. "The cybersecurity threat is real," says Leslie Harris, head of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), "but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."

The bill could undermine the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), says CDT senior counsel Greg Nojeim. That law, enacted in the mid '80s, requires law enforcement seek a warrant before tapping in to data transmissions between computers.

"It's an incredibly broad authority," Nojeim says, pointing out that existing privacy laws "could fall to this authority."

Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says that granting such power to the Commerce secretary could actually cause networks to be less safe. When one person can access all information on a network, "it makes it more vulnerable to intruders," Granick says. "You've basically established a path for the bad guys to skip down."

The bill's scope, she says, is "contrary to what the Constitution promises us." That's because of the impact it could have on Internet users' privacy rights: If the Commerce Department uncovers evidence of illegal activity when accessing "critical" networks, that information could be used against a potential defendant, even if the department never had the intent to find incriminating evidence. And this might violate the Constitutional protection against searches without cause.

"Once information is accessed, it can be used for whatever purpose, no matter the original reason for accessing something," Granick says. "Who's interested in this [bill]? Law enforcement and people in the security industry who want to ensure more government dollars go to them."

Nojeim, though, thinks it's possible the bill's powers could be trimmed as it moves through Congress. "We will be working with them to clarify just what is needed and how to accomplish that," he says. "We're hopeful that some of the very broad powers that the bill would confer won't be included."
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Holy. Fucking. Shit. Where do I start? I'm still trying to wrap my mind around two Senators introducing legislation to give the Executive this kind of authority. After thumbing through my copy of the Constitution, gee, I don't see anything approaching that kind of power in the Executive branch, nor power in the Legislative branch to grant it. First Amendment? What First Amendment? Fourth Amendment? What's that?

What else? The President (Obama today, who knows in four years) will have the sole authority to decide what a "cybersecurity emergency" is, when to declare it, and whose routers should be shut down. Behind the scenes, that would also imply that the federal government would have the ability to shut down any or every network in the United States! This makes Australia's Internet monitoring look like baby steps.

In addition, the Commerce Secretary (currently Carlos Gutierrez), or his staff, would have granted the ability to snoop on any US Internet traffic, seemingly without the need for a warrant, suspicion or justification!

What are Rockefeller and Snowe thinking? This makes no sense, none at all. And someone, please explain to me what a "Cyber-Katrina" could possibly be.
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Are you sure this isn't a late April Fools day joke? This is so batshit insane I can't see it getting out of discussion.
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A google search calls up a bunch of blog-level sites that all link to this 'Mother Jones' site as their source. I call bullshit until something the level of AP picks this up.
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Obama must come out and publicly condemn this, and promise to veto the bill if he is given this authority. That is all.
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I can't find any information about this from any reputable sites. FreeRepublic has it, MotherJones has it, a couple other places.

The bill does come up on the Congressional Library website, here, but the text is not available. The summary simply states that this would establish the position of National Cybersecurity Advisor, nothing more.
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A google search calls up a bunch of blog-level sites that all link to this 'Mother Jones' site as their source. I call bullshit until something the level of AP picks this up.
Mother Jones is a very reputable news magazine. I wouldn't be surprised if this slipped by most of the major news outlets because its not a terribly high profile issue.
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Government Source 1, from the Commerce Department
Government Source 2, from Olympia Snow's Senate Web site
Government Source 3, from Jay Rockefeller's Senate Web site
It looks real, unless you think Snowe, Rockefeller and the Commerce Department's PR folks are playing an April Fool's joke.
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None of the government sources have any of the "Obama can declare a cyberemergency and nationalize/monitor all your data" stuff. Until confirmed, I'm going to consider that pretty much alarmism and fabrication.
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Can't the government already shut down the internet if it wants to?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Can't the government already shut down the internet if it wants to?
Take down any two major switching hubs and the global internet would go down. He need not bomb them, just march agents into them and cut the backup power to the site then within 3 hours the battery backups should be kaput and no more Internet. Or rather a slow shitty Internet that has to route around America somehow.

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Count Chocula wrote:Government Source 1, from the Commerce Department
Government Source 2, from Olympia Snow's Senate Web site
Government Source 3, from Jay Rockefeller's Senate Web site
It looks real, unless you think Snowe, Rockefeller and the Commerce Department's PR folks are playing an April Fool's joke.
Show us the part where it says Obama can shut down the Internet and take information from any private network at will.
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...I notice the bill is mostly about study groups, funding and boondoggles, and the relevant passage partly quoted by MoJo ("gives the president the ability to 'declare a cybersecurity emergency' and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any 'critical' information network 'in the interest of national security'") is possibly not as obnoxious as portrayed:
may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network
But, as usual, there is a lot of complicated language in the bill that may stretch the definition of "Federal government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network" sufficiently to impinge on ordinary citizens' civil liberties, which I would of course oppose. After reading the slightly (but not entirely) more reasonable Slashdot discussion, I'm more concerned with the section that seems to grant Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning such networks" -- that is, "Federal government and private sector owned critical infrastructure information systems and networks" (emphasis mine) -- "without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." That I can say sounds very bad.

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:roll: Chocula is still posting copy-paste right-wing BS? Is it so hard to get people to stick to reputable sources which clearly support allegations? And the more extraordinary the claim, the better the evidence must be. Oh, who am I kidding. Chocula will just get his ass kicked and then conveniently run away like a little pussy, and then he'll post another one in a couple days, like he always does.
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Garibaldi wrote:Mother Jones is a very reputable news magazine. I wouldn't be surprised if this slipped by most of the major news outlets because its not a terribly high profile issue.
I've never heard of it. In which circles is it reputable? Is it one of those American Washington insider things? What are you basing this valuation on?

Does it even qualify as a news source at all? Perusing their site, it looks like it's mostly (if not entirely) editorializing about news from other sources. It certainly puts a heavy emphasis on blogs, splashing a bunch of blog entries from Kevin Drum right in the eye-catcher panel of the home page.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Obama must come out and publicly condemn this, and promise to veto the bill if he is given this authority. That is all.
Thanks for this fabulously profound statement. Obama should make it his personal job to refute, condemn and issue a series of (meaningless) promises around everything blogs talk about. :)

The part I love is that there are heaps of people will see this as a double standard, because poor old Bush was faced with far more anger/criticism/scrutiny etc.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Garibaldi wrote:Mother Jones is a very reputable news magazine. I wouldn't be surprised if this slipped by most of the major news outlets because its not a terribly high profile issue.
I've never heard of it. In which circles is it reputable? Is it one of those American Washington insider things? What are you basing this valuation on?

Does it even qualify as a news source at all? Perusing their site, it looks like it's mostly (if not entirely) editorializing about news from other sources. It certainly puts a heavy emphasis on blogs, splashing a bunch of blog entries from Kevin Drum right in the eye-catcher panel of the home page.
It's widely known in left-wing and progressive circles, and has won the "National Magazine Award". The magazine itself has a reputation as biased, but not a rag.
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The only other source for this I've seen was The Register, but that article was dated April 1, so I'm hardly going to take it without a cartload of salt. I'm not going to start hyperventilating about this until there is something more concrete.
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It's really not a huge stretch to imagine the first draft of a bill which hasn't even gone through the committee process yet would grant overbroad authority to the executive branch under some interpretations. That's what the committee process is for. Mother Jones isn't some right-wing rag howling "ZOMG OBAMA IS STEALING OUR INTERNETS!". They're calling attention to a potentially flawed bill early in its life cycle. Once upon a time, that was what journalists did.
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Yes, the bill is real. This is the text from the link Terralthra posted.
THOMAS wrote:S.773
Title: A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV [WV] (introduced 4/1/2009) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 4/1/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
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A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes.

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Thomas has not received the text of the proposed legislation from the GPO yet, so at this point we don't know anything more specific than the Senate and Commerce press releases.

So, yes, it is a real fucking piece of legislation. I'll post the text of the bill when it goes up on Thomas.
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For the second time, show us the part where it says Obama can shut down the Internet and take information from any private network at will. Is English not your first language or something? Do you not understand a simple request of that nature?
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^ I can't do that until the text of the bill is posted, which will delineate authority and responsibilities.
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ArsTechnica appears to have the text of the bill.

Pertinent parts include:
sec 18 wrote:(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and
order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic
to and from any compromised Federal government
or United States critical infrastructure information
system or network;
Sec 23 wrote:(3) FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND UNITED
STATES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFORMATION
SYSTEMS AND NETWORKS.—The term ‘‘Federal gov
ernment and United States critical infrastructure in
formation systems and networks’’ includes—
(A) Federal Government information sys
tems and networks; and
(B) State, local, and nongovernmental in
formation systems and networks in the United
States designated by the President as critical
infrastructure information systems and net
works.
So, essentially, the President can declare anything critical infrastructure, and has the authority to shutdown anything he has so designated. Only limitation is that it must be in the US (which makes sense, since if it wasn't, the operators would tell him to fuck off and stop bothering them).

Haven't found the cybersnooping part yet.
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Does anyone else get the impression that if Bush had proposed this legislation in the name of national security Count Chocula would be supporting it? But anyway...

Anyway, to clear some stuff up about this issue: there are TWO bills submitted to the Senate, S773 and S778:

S778 establishes the Office of National Cybersecurity Advisor within the Executive Branch. The reasoning behind its proposal was the resignation of Rod Beckstrom as chairman of the National Cyber Security Center. He claimed that the NSA was attempting to control the actions of the NCSC. The bill was introduced to propose an independent alternative with (I believe) the same general authority and mandate. This only gives the National Cybersecurity Advisor authority to protect the computer systems of the NSA, FBI, DoD, and DHS. It has been referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

S773 is the one that Chocula is angry about. Since the full text of it doesn't seem to be available, we can't make clear judgments about it, yet. However, this website has what it says is the questionable part of the bill. It has been referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


EDIT: Ah, Beowulf posted while I was typing. In any case, the text of the bill is very open-ended and vague at this point. I will withhold judgment until it makes it through a round of committee.
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This part seems relevant:
(c) INFORMATION SHARING RULES AND PROCEDURES.—Within 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register a draft description of rules and procedures on how the Federal government will share cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information with private sector critical infrastructure information systems and networks owners.

After a 30 day comment period, the Secretary shall publish a final description of the rules and procedures. The description shall include— S:\WPSHR\LEGCNSL\XYWRITE\SCI09\CYBERSEC.5
April 1, 2009 (2:07 p.m.)

(1) the rules and procedures on how the Federal government will share cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information with private sector critical infrastructure information systems and networks owners;
(2) the criteria in which private sector owners of critical infrastructure information systems and networks shall share actionable cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information and relevant data with the Federal government; and
(3) any other rule or procedure that will enhance the sharing of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information between private sector owners of critical infrastructure information systems and networks and the Federal government.
The bill states up-front that it is not complete, and that the missing parts explaining when and where this information would be requested are still to be written up. That does seem to take the edge off the "OMG NO RULES UNFETTERED POWER" scaremongering.

The bill also contains provisions for the entire system to be reviewed at 1 year with respect to legal framework and civil liberty protection. It took me five minutes to find this, but I'm not a "reputable investigative journalist", unlike these Mother Jones people who apparently missed this.
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Well whaddaya know, the text to S.773 is finally available. Its short title is still the "Cybersecurity Act of 2009." Let's see what's in it, shall we?
SEC. 2. FINDINGS. wrote:(2) Since intellectual property is now often stored in digital form, industrial espionage that exploits weak cybersecurity dilutes our investment in innovation while subsidizing the research and development efforts of foreign competitors.
One assertion of the bill's necessity is that (civilian) industrial espionage is enough of a problem that it warrants federal regulations to curtail. No statistics, estimates or citations are produced to support this, but that may be normal for a bill's introduction. In fact, none of the 14 findings that justify the introduction of this bill have ANY supporting information.

Per Section 3, this bill would have no sunset provision; it would be another perpetual office within Commerce.
SEC. 4. REAL-TIME CYBERSECURITY DASHBOARD. wrote:[The Commerce Secretary shall]...implement a system to provide dynamic, comprehensive, real-time cybersecurity status and vulnerability information of all Federal Government information systems and networks managed by the Department of Commerce;
All Federal Government information systems, wow! Would that include DoD, NASA, NORAD, IRS, SSA, FHA, Congress, BLM, and so on and so forth? Whoops, no; just those managed by Commerce. Well, that's not very comprehensive. Hell, subsection 3 of "Findings" cites attacks on utility and grid control systems as a threat; what about the Department of Energy? Why aren't they included?
SEC. 5. STATE AND REGIONAL CYBERSECURITY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM. wrote:CREATION AND SUPPORT OF CYBERSECURITY CENTERS...Each Center shall be affiliated with a United States-based nonprofit institution or organization, or consortium thereof, that applies for and is awarded financial assistance under this section.
Huhwhat? This strikes me as equivalent to FEMA Regional Centers being affiliated with (and funding) de novo ADM or Johnson & Johnson nonprofits to take advantage of their expertise in food production and Band-Aids. Or an IT industry jobs program.

Now it gets a little more interesting:
SEC. 6. NIST STANDARDS DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLIANCE. wrote:(d) COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT- The Director shall--
(1) enforce compliance with the standards developed by the Institute under this section by software manufacturers, distributors, and vendors; and
(2) shall require each Federal agency, and each operator of an information system or network designated by the President as a critical infrastructure information system or network, periodically to demonstrate compliance with the standards established under this section.
Section 6 sub 1 is a pretty large fucking list. Who could this affect? Companies off the top of my head include IBM, Sun, Microsoft, Black Box, AOL, Best Buy, Office Depot, hell even Tiger Direct - ANYone who sells ANY system or network to (so far) the Department of Commerce.

Section 6 sub 2 is the introduction in this bill of Presidential fiat. You're welcome. Who might those critical infrastructure providers be? Who the fuck knows?

If you're an IT worker for the Federal government, or work for a "critical infrastructure" provider (whoever they are), you might want to pay a little more attention here.
SEC. 7. LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION OF CYBERSECURITY PROFESSIONALS. wrote:(b) MANDATORY LICENSING- Beginning 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, it shall be unlawful for any individual to engage in business in the United States, or to be employed in the United States, as a provider of cybersecurity services to any Federal agency or an information system or network designated by the President, or the President's designee, as a critical infrastructure information system or network, who is not licensed and certified under the program.
One thing's not defined clearly anywhere: what is "cybersecurity?" If you are a consultant who installs spam blockers, do you provide "cybersecurity" services? This could affect MILLIONS of people! Off the top of my head, this could mean that every Microsoft programmer, IBM consultant, Bright House system admin, Pacific Bell IT network analyst, ConEd load manager, FedEx delivery analyst, or fucking Southwest Airlines logistics programmer would need a federal license to keep doing what they're doing today! No license, no paycheck, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

For that matter, what if Wal Mart's purchasing system is designated as a "critical infrastructure information system?" Theoretically, that could mean that every vendor who does electronic data interchange with Wal Mart would require Federally licensed IT staff regardless of size. Is that an impractical example? Perhaps, but there's no limitation stipulated over THE ABILITY OF ONE MAN to decide what is vital and what is not.

To be continued; we're about halfway through this thing.
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