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Saw this on the front-ish page of the Washington Post Compost today:

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Trade Wars Brewing In Economic Malaise
Outrage in Canada as U.S. Firms Sever Ties To Obey Stimulus Rules

By Anthony Faiola and Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 15, 2009

Is this what the first trade war of the global economic crisis looks like?

Ordered by Congress to "buy American" when spending money from the $787 billion stimulus package, the town of Peru, Ind., stunned its Canadian supplier by rejecting sewage pumps made outside of Toronto. After a Navy official spotted Canadian pipe fittings in a construction project at Camp Pendleton, Calif., they were hauled out of the ground and replaced with American versions. In recent weeks, other Canadian manufacturers doing business with U.S. state and local governments say they have been besieged with requests to sign affidavits pledging that they will only supply materials made in the USA.

Outrage spread in Canada, with the Toronto Star last week bemoaning "a plague of protectionist measures in the U.S." and Canadian companies openly fretting about having to shift jobs to the United States to meet made-in-the-USA requirements. This week, the Canadians fired back. A number of Ontario towns, with a collective population of nearly 500,000, retaliated with measures effectively barring U.S. companies from their municipal contracts -- the first shot in a larger campaign that could shut U.S. companies out of billions of dollars worth of Canadian projects.

This is not your father's trade war, a tit-for-tat over champagne or cheese. With countries worldwide desperately trying to keep and create jobs in the midst of a global recession, the spat between the United States and its normally friendly northern neighbor underscores what is emerging as the biggest threat to open commerce during the economic crisis.

Rather than merely raising taxes on imported goods -- acts that are subject to international treaties -- nations including the United States are finding creative ways to engage in protectionism through domestic policy decisions that are largely not governed by international law. Unlike a classic trade war, there is little chance of containment through, for example, arbitration at the World Trade Organization in Geneva. Additionally, such moves are more likely to have unintended consequences or even backfire on the stated desire to create domestic jobs.

Buy American

Take, for instance, Duferco Farrell Corp., a Swiss-Russian partnership that took over a previously bankrupt U.S. steel plant near Pittsburgh in the 1990s and employed 600 people there.

The new buy American provisions, the company said, are being so broadly interpreted that Duferco Farrell is on the verge of shutting down. Part of an increasingly global supply chain that seeks efficiencies by spreading production among multiple nations, it manufactures coils at its Pennsylvania plant using imported steel slabs that are generally not sold commercially in the United States. The partially foreign production process means the company's coils do not fit the current definition of made in the USA -- a designation that the stimulus law requires for thousands of public works projects across the nation.

In recent weeks, its largest client -- a steel pipemaker located one mile down the road -- notified Duferco Farrell that it would be canceling orders. Instead, the client is buying from companies with 100 percent U.S. production to meet the new stimulus regulations. Duferco has had to furlough 80 percent of its workforce.

"You need to tell me how inhibiting business between two companies located one mile apart is going to save American jobs," said Bob Miller, Duferco Farrell's executive vice president. "I've got 600 United Steel Workers out there who are going to lose their jobs because of this. And you tell me this is good for America?"

The United States is not alone in throwing up domestic policies assailed by critics as protectionist. Britain and the Netherlands, for instance, are forcing banks receiving taxpayer bailouts to jump-start lending at home at the expense of overseas clients. French President Nicolas Sarkozy initially insisted that his nation's automakers move manufacturing jobs home in exchange for a government bailout, but backed down after outrage surged among his peers in the European Union, of which France is a central member.

But the number of measures, both proposed and enacted, from the Obama administration and Congress in recent months has raised an alarm among foreign governments, pundits and news media outlets. The buy American provisions in the stimulus package, signed into law in February, were just the beginning. Last week, Obama unveiled a series of proposals aimed at increasing taxes by nearly $200 billion over the next decade on U.S. companies doing business abroad. At a White House event, Obama said the measures were designed to "close corporate loopholes" that permit companies to "pay lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, N.Y."

Keeping Jobs at Home

A slew of legislative proposals is also aimed at keeping jobs at home. In recent weeks, the House attached additional buy American provisions to a $14 billion clean-water fund that provides loans to local communities and a $6 billion program to finance environmentally friendly school construction projects.

Other pending measures would require the federal government to buy 100,000 U.S.-made plug-in hybrid cars, mandate that the president's airplanes be made in the country by an U.S. company, and force several federal agencies, including the Pentagon and Department of Transportation, to use only domestic iron and steel.

Last month, Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) introduced a measure with Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) to tighten rules governing the H-1B visa program for guest workers. Among its provisions: Companies seeking to import specialized workers from abroad first must make a good-faith effort to recruit U.S. citizens.

"The H-1B program was never meant to replace qualified American workers. It was meant to complement them because of a shortage of workers in specialized fields," Grassley said. "In tough economic times like we're seeing, it's even more important that we do everything possible to see that Americans are given every consideration when applying for jobs."

Buy American provisions are not new. Federal transportation projects have been required to use domestic iron and steel since 1982, and some defense contracts are limited to U.S. bidders. But the stimulus package marks the first time a buy American mandate has been broadly applied to projects across an array of federal agencies.

No one appears to be more concerned than America's largest trading partner -- Canada.

Initial concern north of the border over the buy American provisions died down after a clause, supported by the administration, was inserted in the bill clearly stating that the measure would not supersede existing U.S. trade obligations. During his Feb. 19 trip to Ottawa, Obama additionally pledged to avoid protectionism.

Creeping Protectionism

As passed, the act keeps that pledge, White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "The president is committed to creating jobs in America and committed to global engagement with our trading partners and does not see any contradiction between those two goals," she said.

But in recent weeks as federal authorities drafted broad guidelines for implementing the law and hundreds of states and towns have begun preparing for stimulus-related projects, Canadian companies have been surprised to discover that while some federal contracts are still open to Canadian materials and equipment because of trade treaties, most of those issued by state and local governments are not.

The Government Accountability Office estimates that state or local officials will administer about $280 billion in stimulus spending, including about $50 billion for transportation projects. But federal authorities have determined that construction projects even partially funded with stimulus dollars must also buy American, dramatically increasing the universe of affected contracts.

As a result, John Hayward, president of Hayward Gordon, a Canadian manufacturer of pumps used in water works projects, says U.S. towns, including Peru, Ind., have told him that they can no longer buy his Canadian-made products.

"We're not China. We're not even Mexico. We have the same relative cost of labor as you do," he said. "If we have a better price, you should buy from us. That's what competition is supposed to be about."

To stay in business, Hayward is considering moving some manufacturing operations to the United States, potentially creating jobs here. That, Peru Mayor Jim Walker notes, is what the stimulus was supposed to be about.

"You're trying to get America turned around, trying to put Americans back to work," Walker said. "And if American taxpayers are paying for this, well then, Americans deserve the benefits."
The best part is ripping out pipe already laid because *GASP* it's got evil Canadian manufacture stamps on it; and the steel plant in the US having to furlough it's workers...
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The ugly head of nationalism rears once more. It's one thing to restrict trade to correct for human-rights abuses or force companies to buy American for genuine national-security issues; it's another entirely to tear out Canadian-made pipes for American-made pipes, as though there's any significant difference other than tribal affiliations.
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All of this was predicted before the election. We knew the Democrats leaned toward protectionism because of their union ties. And unions are infamous for failing to consider all the consequences of an action.
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Both the WTO and NAFTA have arbitration mechanisms to resolve these sorts of things. Hopefully this resolves itself the same way the Bush II steel tariffs did; a quick ruling against the protectionism, and a quick roll-back of the measures.

I'd been hoping that Goolsbee's statements to the Canadians reflected the future policy of President Obama's administration.
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I'm no opponent of protectionism as many here know, but when you get to the point of ripping up Canadian made pipes that have already been installed, and shunning a US steel mill that happens to be foreign owned (and would probably have shut down years ago had that foreign owner not bought it), that is simply going too far.

Which reminds me, why do protectionist-minded Americans always use Canada as their whipping boy first and foremost? Sure Canada is the US's biggest trading partner, but we simply lack the scale to be a serious threat to American industries (unlike say, Japan, Europe, or China, all of whom are a far greater threat to US domestic industries simply due to their size, and none of whom seem to be attacked nearly as much), and NAFTA gives the US several other benefits, including guaranteed access to energy and natural resources. Hell, as much as I hate to admit it, Canada's economy is almost just an extension of the US's.

Of course, I should mention the Canadian unions seem to hate NAFTA as much as their American counterparts.
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Starting a Trade war with the country that can shut off your electricity and gas with a flick of a pen doesn't seem to smart to me.

(Okay, not literally, but arn't we one of the US's major supplies of both of those?)
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Ma Deuce wrote:Which reminds me, why do protectionist-minded Americans always use Canada as their whipping boy first and foremost? Sure Canada is the US's biggest trading partner, but we simply lack the scale to be a serious threat to American industries (unlike say, Japan, Europe, or China, all of whom are a far greater threat to US domestic industries simply due to their size, and none of whom seem to be attacked nearly as much), and NAFTA gives the US several other benefits, including guaranteed access to energy and natural resources. Hell, as much as I hate to admit it, Canada's economy is almost just an extension of the US's.
I expect that Canada is an easier target. Last time the US put sanctions on EU goods that the EU disagreed with (if I remember correctly) the EU said it would place put retaliatory tariffs on various goods from US swing states. Picking on targets closer to your own size is much more risky.
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Teebs wrote:I expect that Canada is an easier target. Last time the US put sanctions on EU goods that the EU disagreed with (if I remember correctly) the EU said it would place put retaliatory tariffs on various goods from US swing states. Picking on targets closer to your own size is much more risky.
They put restrictions on goods from SPECIFIC STATES?

That's incredibly dirty of them to manipulate our internal politics like that.
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KlavoHunter wrote:They put restrictions on goods from SPECIFIC STATES?

That's incredibly dirty of them to manipulate our internal politics like that.
I don't think they actually did it, just said they would and the US backed down.
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Teebs wrote:
KlavoHunter wrote:They put restrictions on goods from SPECIFIC STATES?

That's incredibly dirty of them to manipulate our internal politics like that.
I don't think they actually did it, just said they would and the US backed down.
Sorry, I did misphrase that as though they'd actually been doing it.

Still, the very idea of it is really quite unsettling.
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It seems perfectly Kosher and smart. obviously you want to go after the weak points. If we could get more milage in the EU by boycotting French or Italian goods, the intelligent thing would be to do it, if you wanted to go that route.

Blocking imports being a rather heavy handed attempt to make a point.
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Sorry, I did misphrase that as though they'd actually been doing it.

Still, the very idea of it is really quite unsettling.
The easy way to avoid it, then, is to not place tariffs on EU goods. Simple really.

It's supposed to be an unsettling and unpleasant idea, because if it wasn't, then it wouldn't' be a decent threat. :wink:
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Which reminds me, why do protectionist-minded Americans always use Canada as their whipping boy first and foremost? Sure Canada is the US's biggest trading partner, but we simply lack the scale to be a serious threat to American industries (unlike say, Japan, Europe, or China, all of whom are a far greater threat to US domestic industries simply due to their size, and none of whom seem to be attacked nearly as much), and NAFTA gives the US several other benefits, including guaranteed access to energy and natural resources. Hell, as much as I hate to admit it, Canada's economy is almost just an extension of the US's.
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Not only that, one fifth of the US' exports are going to Canada. Endangering that is just :banghead:
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I suspect a great deal of this is unintended consequences.

Seriously, it is against US interests to shit on Canada, and vice versa. Really, the Canadians are the best neighbors any country could have.

Ripping out pipe already laid is just fucking stupid, no other word for it.

The prospect of shutting down a factory located in America that employs Americans simply because it is foreign-owned is likewise stupid.

However, the article seems to have a problem with a division of American government that a lot of people have problems with - it is mentioned that many Federal contracts are still open to Canadian sources but local and state are not. Well, the Federal government in the US does not have absolute authority over the states and local governments. It's been policy for years that my own state, Indiana, favor suppliers from within Indiana over suppliers from other US states. With that in mind, yes, they will favor any US supplier over a Canadian one. When times were booming this wasn't nearly the issue it is now with everyone chasing a diminished pool of jobs. And it would be perfectly fair for Canadian towns and provinces to favor Canadians over Americans. If you don't support your local businesses one day you'll wake up and find they don't exist anymore.
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This makes absolutely no sense at all. IIRC, Chrysler's deal involves the UAW having a 55% share in the company, with the rest coming from Fiat and private capital. Chrysler has three plants in Canada. GM's bankruptcy has the Feds owning 50% of the company, the UAW 39%, and investors (including bondholders, you know the folks who are supposed to be first in line and are getting SCREEEWWWED) 21%. And now GM's talking about importing cars from China, and moving their headquarters to Canada!! Does this mean that all new government vehicles would be Fords? Heh.

The Congressional authors and "Yea" voters for the "fuck 'em all" bailout plan are looking more imbecilic by the day.
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The idea of a publicly-traded corporation being "foreign-owned" is prima facie silly anyway. The corporation may legally reside in another country and it may have management that hails from another country, but ultimately the profits go to the shareholders. This means, in principle, that anyone who worries about, say, a Toyota plant sending money overseas can simply buy Toyota stock and make Toyota a little more American-owned and a little less foreign-owned.

Simplifying a company into "domestic" and "foreign" is a black-and-white fallacy. It's not inconceivable that, for example, the "Canadian-made" pipes were rolled in Canada out of raw materials extracted in India bought by a company headquartered in Europe with most of the stockholders in the US. The real world is too complex to make myopic decisions based on nationalism.
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Surlethe wrote:The idea of a publicly-traded corporation being "foreign-owned" is prima facie silly anyway.
Actually, no it isn't. The country in which the foreign-owned company is incorporated will often have rules limiting how much of their corporations shares foreigners can own, though sometimes these rules apply only to companies the government deems to be strategic industries, or are applied on a case-by-case basis. For instance, Petro Canada, a now privatized corporation that was once Canada's national oil company, cannot have more than 20% of it's shares owned by non-Canadians, despite now being fully owned by private investors. Of course, a government can declare "strategic industries" to be whatever it likes: The French government recently blocked Pepsi from buying Danone (which it has long sought to acquire) for that very excuse.
The corporation may legally reside in another country and it may have management that hails from another country, but ultimately the profits go to the shareholders.
Who are usually primarily located in the country in which the company is incorporated, often thanks to foreign-ownership limitations.
This means, in principle, that anyone who worries about, say, a Toyota plant sending money overseas can simply buy Toyota stock and make Toyota a little more American-owned and a little less foreign-owned.
It's not that simple. There are numerous difference between buying foreign stock compared to the stock of domestic corporations. Taking the Toyota example, if you were to buy Toyota stock, you are not buying actual Toyota shares, but depository receipts that represent those shares. These are not the same as owning the actual stock (for instance, American depository receipts have almost no voting rights and are not represented on the company's board)

Additionally, going back to the fact that some countries severely limit foreign ownership of their corporations (I'm uncertain how strict Japan's rules are specifically, if we're continuing to Toyota example), the only way for an American to buy shares of a specific foreign corporation from one of said countries might be to convince another American to sell them.
It's not inconceivable that, for example, the "Canadian-made" pipes were rolled in Canada out of raw materials extracted in India bought by a company headquartered in Europe with most of the stockholders in the US.
Not impossible, but absurdly unlikely.
The real world is too complex to make myopic decisions based on nationalism.
Too bad a lot of your trading partners don't see it that way.
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Hmm, I didn't know that some countries had foreign-ownership limitations. Thanks. Do you happen to have a list of those countries, so we can see just how many make that requirement?
Ma Deuce wrote:It's not that simple. There are numerous difference between buying foreign stock compared to the stock of domestic corporations. Taking the Toyota example, if you were to buy Toyota stock, you are not buying actual Toyota shares, but depository receipts that represent those shares. These are not the same as owning the actual stock (for instance, American depository receipts have almost no voting rights and are not represented on the company's board)
But since we're concerned about where the money goes, the only pertinent question is whether foreign owners of Toyota shares (or depository receipts or whatever) get dividend payments. There's also the question of where money is reinvested for capital - does it go to big Toyota exec bonuses, or does it go to building a new plant in Indiana?
Not impossible, but absurdly unlikely.
What reasons do you have for saying this?
Too bad a lot of your trading partners don't see it that way.
Too bad we don't see it that way.
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Sorry for the late reply, but family business waits for no one. Anyhoo...
Hmm, I didn't know that some countries had foreign-ownership limitations. Thanks.
You didn't? I suppose you also didn't know that the US deliberately accepted trade barriers on it's goods and services that some of it's key trading partners don't face in return, because certain US individuals and institutions that have tremendous clout with the government (i.e., banks: is there anything they havn't defiled?) thought it was good for their bottom line. These barrers aren't necessarly direct tarrifs mind you, but are still very effective methods like export VAT rebates.
Do you happen to have a list of those countries, so we can see just how many make that requirement?
Most other developed or wealthier developing countries have stricter rules on foreign investment than the United States, which shouldn't be surprising, since most other developed countries have stricter rules on business and investment in general. The ones that have the greatest restrictions on foreign investment tend to be the ones known for being export powerhouses, China having some of the most restrictive in the world. Japan's used to be quite restrictive, though IIRC were eased during the Koizumi years (though since all his successors are decidedly old-guard, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those changes were rolled back).

Additionally it's not just individual countries that throw up investment barriers: Some trade blocs (most notably the EU), allow relatively free trade and investment between members while erecting numerous barriers to outsiders.
But since we're concerned about where the money goes, the only pertinent question is whether foreign owners of Toyota shares (or depository receipts or whatever) get dividend payments.
Yes, all Toyota shareholders (including ADR holders) get a $2.58 dividend bi-annually, though I wouldn't be surprised if they reduce or suspend it soon if their losses persist. I'm not sure what you're getting at with this however.
There's also the question of where money is reinvested for capital - does it go to big Toyota exec bonuses, or does it go to building a new plant in Indiana?
I actually don't have any hard numbers on that, but do you really not see the difference between a domestically owned & incorporated company as opposed to a foreign company that simply operates here? Even if Toyota's percentage of US owned shares reflected the profits it once extracted form the US market, which was almost 60% of it's total in '07, I highly doubt Toyota is not majority-Japanese owned, given that Sony, which was noted as having the highest percentage of foreign ownership of any Japanese corporation, was still 55% Japanese owned at last check. You can say "buy Toyota shares" all you like, but the fact is that really isn't a solution because few investors invest patriotically of their own free will, and most people don't have the resources to buy more than a few of the billion or two of the shares a large corporation will offer, and investment barriers might cap how much Americans can own of the company anyway. Besides, the destination of investor profits is far from the only concern.
What reasons do you have for saying this?
Er, I was trying to point out how some other countries make it harder to source materials, labour and investment from foreigners. Canada admittedly isn't the best example for that, because aside from the resource extraction sector our rules on foreign investment and trade aren't terribly different than yours (witness all the Canadian corporations that are now American owned). However, if those pipes came from say, Japan, odds much better are they'd be made by a company based in Japan and primarily Japanese owned, and made from steel refined in Japan. The only part of the chain that would most certainly come from outside the country would be the raw ore.

In any case, pointing out the possibility of foreign involvement in the manufacturing chain is not an argument against economic nationalism; it just means you have to do your research more carefully, or in case of the government, encourage producers to favor domestic suppliers if necessary. Don't poo-poo economic nationalism out of hand, especially since in other countries it has been an absolute necessity at some points in history. An example would be Canada, when during the '70s most of the oil & natural resources companies operating here were foreign owned, thus most of the profits for our own natural resources were ending up in foreign hands. This is what prompted the government to found Petro Canada and limit foreign investment in private resource extraction companies. It was far worse in some Latin American countries, where foreigners practically owned the entire economy and were quite literally sucking those countries dry. That's what prompted the mass nationalizations and import substitution fads you often saw in that part of the world. It's not nearly that bad in America quite yet, but you've definitely been heading down the road to where it someday could be.
Too bad we don't see it that way.
Yeah, that is too bad, for you that is. It also wouldn't be the only case of America being wrong where almost everyone else is right. What I've proposed is no worse than many of your trading partners already do, so maybe it's time for you to start importing more foreign ideas and less foreign goods and capital, but unfortunately you Americans seem incapable of doing anything in moderation.
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Ma Deuce wrote:An example would be Canada, when during the '70s most of the oil & natural resources companies operating here were foreign owned, thus most of the profits for our own natural resources were ending up in foreign hands. This is what prompted the government to found Petro Canada and limit foreign investment in private resource extraction companies. It was far worse in some Latin American countries, where foreigners practically owned the entire economy and were quite literally sucking those countries dry. That's what prompted the mass nationalizations and import substitution fads you often saw in that part of the world. It's not nearly that bad in America quite yet, but you've definitely been heading down the road to where it someday could be.
Isn't it especially the case that economic nationalism is practically a necessity for resource extraction and processing industries because of the high value added when raw materials are processed, and the subsequent high cost for a country to pay for that added value when buying products made from its own raw materials? I am not sure economic nationalism would be similarly imperative higher up the chain of industry, when the amount of value added is presumably smaller and the country is reaping the benefits of extracting, processing, and selling its own resources.
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Isn't it especially the case that economic nationalism is practically a necessity for resource extraction and processing industries because of the high value added when raw materials are processed, and the subsequent high cost for a country to pay for that added value when buying products made from its own raw materials? I am not sure economic nationalism would be similarly imperative higher up the chain of industry, when the amount of value added is presumably smaller and the country is reaping the benefits of extracting, processing, and selling its own resources.
That's all true; it is basically essential for resource extraction, and the higher up the chain, the less intervention you generally need. However, for each country how much and where it's needed would depend on where the bottom of the chain ends within your borders. For Canada, we can afford to be a bit more hands-off with our high-tech and manufacturing base, (and to a lesser degree, refining) because of the large volume of energy & raw materials we export. On the other hand, a country like say Japan needs to be much more protective of it's high-end manufacturers given it's need to import virtually all it's raw materials. The US is somewhere in between; it must import a good portion of it's raw materials, but still has sizable domestic sources, so the solution would probably fall between those two examples. Naturally though, it's in every country's best interest to strive for as diversified an economy as possible, as those are obviously more resilient against economic shifts and recessions.
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