The Joel Tenenbaum Case: Another RIAA Judgment

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The Joel Tenenbaum Case: Another RIAA Judgment

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Another outrageous judgment in favor of the RIAA
The Article wrote: In another big victory for the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) a federal jury has fined Boston University student Joel Tenenbaum $675,000 for illegally downloading and distributing 30 copyrighted songs.

In finding Tenenbaum guilty of willful copyright infringement, the Boston court's jury fined the 25 year-old doctoral student a sum of $22,500 for each illegally downloaded song, far less than the maximum statutory fine of $150,000 per song that the jury could have hit him with.

The damages awarded today were about a third less than the massive $1.92 million fine that was assessed against Minnesota native Jammie Thomas-Rasset in a similar music piracy case that was decided in June.

As with Tenenbaum, Thomas-Rasset too was found liable for illegally downloading 24 copyright songs. But in her case, the jury awarded the music companies which had sued her, $80,000 per infringed song.

The verdict in the Tenenbaum case came after a brief trial that began Monday and ended yesterday when Tenenbaum admitted under direct questioning that he had illegally downloaded and distributed all of the songs at the center of the case.

Tenenbaum was sued for copyright infringement by the RIAA in 2007. His case shot to prominence last fall when Harvard law school professor Charles Nesson said he would represent him in his fight with the RIAA. The RIAA claimed to have found more than 800 illegally downloaded songs in a shared folder on his computer, but the case focused on a representative sample of just 30 of those songs.

Even before Tenenbaum's admission, some following the case had predicted that he had little chance of prevailing based on a pre-trail ruling by Judge Nancy Gertner. In that ruling, Gertner essentially forbid Tenenbaum from asserting a "fair use" defense in arguing his case.

That doctrine allows for the use of copyrighted material without permission from the rights holders in some specific circumstances including transformative use or for nonprofit academic purposes.

In her ruling on Monday, Gertner said that Tenenbaum had not provided any "hard proof" to show how his alleged illegal music distribution constituted fair use. She had noted that Tenenbaum's interpretation of fair-use laws was so broad "it would swallow the copyright protections that Congress has created."

Ray Beckerman, a N.Y-based attorney who has represented several clients in RIAA lawsuits, called today's verdict "ridiculous," but "not surprising in view of the way the trial was incorrectly handled."

Beckerman has been critical of the way the case has been handled from the beginning. None of the key issues relevant to the case were touched upon or explored during the case by the defendant's team, the RIAA lawyers or Judge Gertner, he said.

"Together they did an abysmal, pathetic job of crystallizing the issues properly and of disposing of the issues properly," Beckerman said. "I'm sure the judge will reduce the verdict, but I have no idea to what she will reduce it. She has historically given many favorable rulings to the RIAA, more than any other judge in the country."
Sweet zombie Jesus. Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? $22,500 per song?

What kind of options, if any, are available for curtailing this kind of thing? It's obvious that the law just hasn't adapted to the new paradigm of "digital property", but given the relative influence of money in these matters, reform of the law seems an unlikely outcome.
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The student and his lawyer were both imbeciles. Trying to declare that public distribution of a song is "fair use" is a fool's strategy, and was bound to lose. The judge essentially had no choice but to find their case wholly without merit, because it was.

He should have admitted to the copyright infringement and then attacked the scheme through which damages are calculated, because that scheme is utter bullshit. There is no evidence whatsoever that even a single download necessarily constituted a lost sale, and the student himself makes precisely zero profit off the activity, so it is not possible to demand the forfeiture of those profits as one would normally do in a copyright infringement case.
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Yeah a fair use defence was completely retarded. He could only have a case for fair use if he’d actually done something OTHER then just circulating the media. Like made a website about the artists, and then included one or two tracks (or more defensibly, pieces of tracks) as examples of the work. That’s what fair use exists for.
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Batman wrote:What do you call a country that is for all practical purposes governed by large corporations again?
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I'm more interested in how the RIAA claims to have found 800 illegally downloaded songs on a shared folder on his computer.
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The punishment is supposed to be proportional to the crime. Like seriously, 20k+ for a song, that's fucking ridiculous.

What is annoying is when corporations get caught out doing illegal stuff, they usually get fined a fraction of the money they made. In Australia, Amcor engaged in price fixing that netted them 700 million dollars over time. Their fine? 20-30 million.
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Stofsk wrote:I'm more interested in how the RIAA claims to have found 800 illegally downloaded songs on a shared folder on his computer.
IIRC he was using Kazaa or Limewire in which you can pull up a list of everything an individual is sharing. If I recall he is also quoted as saying "They only care if you do it a lot!", a clear genius.
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What's really odd about it is that they'd been building this case up for months now, promoting this kid's "all-star legal team" led by a Harvard law professor. Then you see the defense, and, uh...

They could have done a better job on all fronts, I'd think.

It's still infuriating that the music industry can get away with these kinds of damages, which were clearly intended for large-scale for-profit piracy - not stupid college kids downloading the top 40.

And yeah, IIRC both this guy and the other recent RIAA ass-pounding were caught due to the older-generation P2P software. To my knowledge nobody's actually been sued as a result of using newer BitTorrent technologies. It's substantially harder to verify how much any one IP address is contributing to any particular transaction since the process is so distributed, and there's been published research confirming that tracking IPs isn't reliable on those networks anyway.

Which is probably a direct cause of their newer policy: targeting ISPs with these equally bad three-strikes and no internet for you laws. So now they've moved from extorting the public to extorting Internet providers.
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Tenebaum had an article explaining/defending his position last week in the Guardian

Here is the first half
To a certain extent, I'm afraid to write this. Though they've already seized my computer and copied my hard drive, I have no guarantee they won't do it again. For the past four years, they've been threatening me, making demands for trial, deposing my parents, sisters, friends, and myself twice – the first time for nine hours, the second for seven. I face up to $4.5m in fines and the last case like mine that went to trial had a jury verdict of $1.92m.

When I contemplate this, I have to remind myself what I'm being charged with. Investment fraud? Robbing a casino? A cyber-attack against the federal government? No. I shared music. And refused to cave.

No matter how many people I explain this to, the reaction is always the same: dumbfounded surprise and visceral indignance, both of which are a result of the amazing secrecy the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has operated under. "How did they get you?" I'm asked. I explain that there are 40,000 people like me, being sued for the same thing, and we were picked from a pool of millions who shared music. And that's when a look appears on the face of whoever I'm talking to, the horrified "it could have been me!" look.

The reason this has remained so silent despite passionate opposition is that nearly all people settle. My story of becoming an exception started four years ago.

In 2005, my parents received a letter from Sony BMG, Warner, Atlantic Records, Arista Records, and UMG Records claiming "copyright infringement". They were given a number to call, which was their "settlement information line", a call centre staffed by operators who, we are emphatically told, are "not attorneys". The process of collecting money from these threats was so huge, they had set up a 1-800-DONT-SUE-ME-style call centre.

The operators did little more than ask how you would pay (they wanted $3,000, I believe) and repeated intimidating lawsuit statistics. I sent them a money order for $500, which they returned. I told them I couldn't pay any more. We discussed whether I might qualify for "financial hardship", and then I stopped hearing from them, which I didn't question. I graduated from college and began studying for my physics doctorate.

And then in August 2007, I came home from work to find a stack of papers, maybe 50 pages thick, sitting at the door to my apartment. That's when I found out what it was like to have possibly the most talented copyright lawyers in the business, bankrolled by multibillion-dollar corporations, throwing everything they had at someone who wanted to share Come As You Are with other Nirvana fans.

I had assumed that as an equal in a court of law in the United States, my story would be told and a just outcome would result. I discovered the sheer magnitude of obstacles in your way to get your say in court. And even if you get to trial, (which only one other person, Jammie Thomas Rasset, has done) you're still far from equal with the machine controlling 85% of commercial music in the US.

But to even start fighting assumes you (a) know what you're even being sued for and (b) have a concept of what grounds to fight it on. Most of the time you know nothing except for the huge stack of paper written in legalese that says you owe several thousand dollars and it will probably cost you more than that just to hire a lawyer. If you can find one.

I had frequent contact with one of their Colorado counsel. While she was impudent to the point of vicious ("Come on Joel, I think you did it"), I continued to use phrases like "I respect your position" and "we have a respectful difference of opinion". I have no record of this intimidation because the person in question made sure to keep contact restricted to phonecalls.

Every conversation consisted of her trying to get information out of me about my defense, telling me how much bigger the settlement would be if I didn't settle now. Shaken, I would call my mother, who was a state-paid lawyer in child custody cases, and ask her what to do. We blindly fired all kinds of motions at them. Eventually my mother became afraid to answer my calls, worried it would be about the case. For the court "settlement" I offered $5,250, which the RIAA declined, asking $10,500. I saw myself on a conveyor belt, being pulled inexorably toward the meshing of razor-sharp gears.
While the RIAA are their cohorts are deeply unpleasant and frankly sinister people, it's hard to escape the judgement that Tenebaum asked to be treated so harshly. Having been caught doing illegal actions, he refused to pay a $3,000 fine in 2005 and a $11,500 fine in 2007, preferring to go to court with a paper-thin defence.

I'm sure there's a peer-to-peer pun to be made in the jury's absurdly large verdict, but I can't think of it right now.
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