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Catholic Church in DC makes threats over gay marriage

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Washington Post wrote: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum
Same-sex marriage bill, as written, called a threat to social service contracts

By Tim Craig and Michelle Boorstein
Thursday, November 12, 2009

The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care.

Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings. But they would have to obey city laws prohibiting discrimination against gay men and lesbians.

Fearful that they could be forced, among other things, to extend employee benefits to same-sex married couples, church officials said they would have no choice but to abandon their contracts with the city.

"If the city requires this, we can't do it," Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the archdiocese, said Wednesday. "The city is saying in order to provide social services, you need to be secular. For us, that's really a problem."

Several D.C. Council members said the Catholic Church is trying to erode the city's long-standing laws protecting gay men and lesbians from discrimination.

The clash escalates the dispute over the same-sex marriage proposal between the council and the archdiocese, which has generally stayed out of city politics.

Catholic Charities, the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers.

"All of those services will be adversely impacted if the exemption language remains so narrow," Jane G. Belford, chancellor of the Washington Archdiocese, wrote to the council this week.

The church's influence seems limited. In separate interviews Wednesday, council member Mary M. Cheh (D-Ward 3) referred to the church as "somewhat childish." Another council member, David A. Catania (I-At Large), said he would rather end the city's relationship with the church than give in to its demands.

"They don't represent, in my mind, an indispensable component of our social services infrastructure," said Catania, the sponsor of the same-sex marriage bill and the chairman of the Health Committee.

The standoff appears to be among the harshest between a government and a faith-based group over the rights of same-sex couples. Advocates for same-sex couples said they could not immediately think of other places where a same-sex marriage law had set off a break with a major faith-based provider of social services.

The council is expected to pass the same-sex marriage bill next month, but the measure continues to face strong opposition from a number of groups that are pushing for a referendum on the issue.

The archdiocese's statement follows a vote Tuesday by the council's Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary to reject an amendment that would have allowed individuals, based on their religious beliefs, to decline to provide services for same-sex weddings.

"Lets say an individual caterer is a staunch Christian and someone wants him to do a cake with two grooms on top," said council member Yvette M. Alexander (D-Ward 6), the sponsor of the amendment. "Why can't they say, based on their religious beliefs, 'I can't do something like that'?"

After the vote, the archdiocese sent out a statement accusing the council of ignoring the right of religious freedom. Gibbs said Wednesday that without Alexander's amendment and other proposed changes, the measure has too narrow an exemption. She said religious groups that receive city funds would be required to give same-sex couples medical benefits, open adoptions to same-sex couples and rent a church hall to a support group for lesbian couples.

Peter Rosenstein of the Campaign for All D.C. Families accused the church of trying to "blackmail the city."

"The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable," Rosenstein said.

Rosenstein and other gay rights activists have strong support on the council. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the judiciary committee, said the council "will not legislate based on threats."

"The problem with the individual exemption is anybody could discriminate based on their assertion of religious principle," Mendelson said. "There were many people back in the 1950s and '60s, during the civil rights era, that said separation of the races was ordained by God."

Catania, who said he has been the biggest supporter of Catholic Charities on the council, said he is baffled by the church's stance. From 2006 through 2008, Catania said, Catholic Charities received about $8.2 million in city contracts, as well as several hundred thousand dollars' worth this year through his committee.

"If they find living under our laws so oppressive that they can no longer take city resources, the city will have to find an alternative partner to step in to fill the shoes," Catania said. He also said Catholic Charities was involved in only six of the 102 city-sponsored adoptions last year.

Terry Lynch, head of the Downtown Cluster of Congregations, said he did not know of any other group in the city that was making such a threat.

"I've not seen any spillover into programming. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen if [the bill] passes," he said.

Cheh said she hopes the Catholic Church will reconsider its stance.

"Are they really going to harm people because they have a philosophical disagreement with us on one issue?" Cheh asked. "I hope, in the silver light of day, when this passes, because it will pass, they will not really act on this threat."
How Christlike of them. I'm certain I remember a passage about "Help people, but only if they aren't gay" being somewhere in there.

Plus, I really like how they are trying to make this out into the Chruch being oppressed by those awful, awful gays!
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A simple case of blackmail by an organization of antiquated assholes. Fuck them. Hopefully the councilors quoted in the article stick to their guns and tell the RCC to fuck off in no uncertain terms.
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There's a really simple solution to this. If they follow through on their threat to pull a program based on legislation being passed, revoke their tax exempt status. Unfortunately I doubt any politician has the balls to do that.
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That would be on top of cutting off their public funding, which is what's acting to put them under DC's fiat.
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I thought the RCC was all about helping the poor. I guess ensuring that "them damn queers" are continually treated as second-class citizens is more important than being a compassionate fucking human being.
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I am truly surprised at their stance. In one respect they are aguably a hair better then most of the other mainstream Christian denominations...excluding the Lutherans lately and the United Church of course...in the sense that they accept homosexuality is innate and not a choice. They usually try their best to skirt the line between accepting science (when they know very well it's a dead end street to deny it's authority), and suggesting that regardless of birth circumstances, there are moral choice that are to be made on principle even against inner drives that seem (and are) completely natural.

But this is getting ridiculously petty. Denying a couple benefits is just spiteful and JUDGMENTAL in the extreme which is definitely contrary to the tenets of their faith..."judge not, lest ye be judged". They were already exempt from performing same-sex marriages or facilitating their ceremonies or receptions which I do support them on as a religous exemption right. THAT they have the right of and I would stand up for their right to that much of an objection. Although it's a close shave for me because of the public funding issue....I really don't like the idea of ANY organization taking public funding which is payed for by ALL taxpayers and using this money to further their existence and being able to deny the very same members of that taxpaying group from anything they offer. You pick your battles though and religion, like it or not, has a special exemption status due to it's long history and sheer number adherents. I can live with that. But this blackmailing bit is going too far. I'm with EDI. I say fuck them with a frozen chainsaw. Revoke their tax exemption status and withdraw their funding if they are going to push this far to promote their discrimination. This is an issue that deals with medical care, child rearing, tax income, etc. They have no right to blackmail the city on this issue or indeed to even complain! They are crossing FAR over the line here.
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This is actually much more effective-sounding than the usual Christ-scum wailing, flailing, and threatening. Give the Catholics credit, they're pretty refined when it comes to being bastards.
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The politicians should employ a version of the "never negotiate with terrorists" policy and ignore the Church's threats, because if they back down now it'll just encourage the RCC to pull stunts like this in the future.
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Better yet - publicly tag the Church with attempted extortion and interference with the legislative processes of the state.
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Honestly I'm just amused by one of those quotes:
Fearful that they could be forced, among other things, to extend employee benefits to same-sex married couples, church officials said they would have no choice but to abandon their contracts with the city.
So in other words they care for gay men and women enough to employ them BUT they don't want to extend benefits to their partners...yeah that's just not being selectively dickish.
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