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Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century

We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding. Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.
These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.

Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, America’s principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.

Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead — forward or backward, up or down? Isn’t this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?

The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and nature’s God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes man’s self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.

The conservatism of the Constitution limits government’s powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.
A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to America’s safety and leadership role in the world.
A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.

* It applies the principle of limited government based on the
rule of law to every proposal.
* It honors the central place of individual liberty in American
politics and life.
* It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and
economic reforms grounded in market solutions.
* It supports America’s national interest in advancing freedom
and opposing tyranny in the world and prudently considers what we can and should do to that
end.
* It informs conservatism’s firm defense of family, neighborhood,
community, and faith.

If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.

We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of America’s founding principles.

February 17, 2010
Disclaimer: Not actually signed at Mount Vernon(They couldn't get permission to use it.).

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* It applies the principle of limited government based on the
rule of law to every proposal.
* It honors the central place of individual liberty in American
politics and life.

....

* It informs conservatism’s firm defense of family (aka. ban gay marriage and abortion), neighborhood,
community, and faith.
The levels of hypocrisy and double-standards here are so high, it stinks worse than shit.
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Let's not leave off the faith part either. Lack of faith need not apply. Of course it goes against individual liberty, but faith (in the Christian god), and defense of marriage against those dirty homos is more important than individual liberty.
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CaptJodan wrote:Let's not leave off the faith part either. Lack of faith need not apply. Of course it goes against individual liberty, but faith (in the Christian god), and defense of marriage against those dirty homos is more important than individual liberty.
It's common knowledge that American conservatism today is a wedding of libertarianism (freedom, individualism, liberty) with social conservatism (anti-abortion, pro-traditional family, etc). Talk about the odd couple!
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That's more or less the case in Australia (well it was, sort of). The Liberal Party of Australia has always been liberal in the sense that it supports free enterprise and individualism, but generally more socially conservative compared to the Australian Labour Party. While this isn't really the case any longer, thati mage still persists, and I sometimes wonder why this is the case. Is it just because you have these old families that come from money, or is it more complex?
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Ford Prefect wrote:That's more or less the case in Australia (well it was, sort of). The Liberal Party of Australia has always been liberal in the sense that it supports free enterprise and individualism, but generally more socially conservative compared to the Australian Labour Party. While this isn't really the case any longer, thati mage still persists, and I sometimes wonder why this is the case. Is it just because you have these old families that come from money, or is it more complex?
Well, in the U.S., this wedding actually happened after WWII. People are often amazed to realize that Wm Jennings Bryan, the most influential anti-evolutionist of the 1920s, was actually a prominent politician in the Democrat party. I'd like to know more, but my understanding is that the modern conglomeration was actually the result of some very intentional work by a few notable political organizers (Paul Weyrich comes to mind). This process took place starting in the 1950s and finished in the 1980s.
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The Shield Society* wrote:A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.
Really? Let's just take a look at that agenda, shall we?
* It applies the principle of limited government based on the rule of law to every proposal.
And that's nice, so long as you understand that nothing in the Constitution actually prohibits Congress from acting on a national level to effect policies aimed at helping the common citizenry.
* It honors the central place of individual liberty in American politics and life.
The Constitution attempts to strike a balance between individual and collective liberty. It does not place one or the other as central to its principle of government.
* It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.
Annnnnnd... the right to unlimited wealth or a capitalist economic order is outlined in which clause or amendment to the Constitution?
* It supports America’s national interest in advancing freedom and opposing tyranny in the world and prudently considers what we can and should do to that end.
Annnnnnnd,,,, the right of the United States to wage war when and where it sees fit to impose its idea of "freedom" is outlined in which clause or amendment to the Constitution?
* It informs conservatism’s firm defense of family, neighborhood, community, and faith.
See Amendment the First: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." and get fucked.

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Liberty Ferall wrote:
CaptJodan wrote:Let's not leave off the faith part either. Lack of faith need not apply. Of course it goes against individual liberty, but faith (in the Christian god), and defense of marriage against those dirty homos is more important than individual liberty.
It's common knowledge that American conservatism today is a wedding of libertarianism (freedom, individualism, liberty) with social conservatism (anti-abortion, pro-traditional family, etc). Talk about the odd couple!
Throw in a dose of good old-fashioned imperialism and the triad is complete.
We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding. Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.

These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.
*puke*

That last sentence really gets me. Maybe true radicals like Patrick Henry were talking about the American revolution in something similar to those terms, but most of the rest were just trying to figure out how to rule themselves, never mind enshrine a core of principles that would be used against tyrants and despots on a global scale. It's really subtle, but in that one sentence the entire groundwork for American cultural imperialism is laid. And then later on they tacitly admit that their brand of cultural imperialism will indeed be backed up by American force when necessary.

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Firm defence of the faith? Go-go, crusaders.

It's a wonderful statement, really. By using the word "faith" you can avoid saying "Christianity", but it's not lost on anyone reading the document. Everyone understands which "faith" is to be defended, but everyone is okay with that.
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The Constitution cannot credibly be claimed to have the original intent of defending and preserving the liberty of human persons since it specifically regulated - and thereby implicitly authorized - the use and sale of human slaves. I know its trite, I know its oft-repeated, but that's because its fucking true. Those assholes cared about protecting their PROPERTY in case the riff-raff ever managed to hijack the elitist organs of the State, and accordingly made it extremely difficult to do so. Its extremely unlikely that any organ of the State seized by the public would not be constrained by the other branches remaining under the thumb of Property.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Constitution cannot credibly be claimed to have the original intent of defending and preserving the liberty of human persons since it specifically regulated - and thereby implicitly authorized - the use and sale of human slaves. I know its trite, I know its oft-repeated, but that's because its fucking true. Those assholes cared about protecting their PROPERTY in case the riff-raff ever managed to hijack the elitist organs of the State, and accordingly made it extremely difficult to do so. Its extremely unlikely that any organ of the State seized by the public would not be constrained by the other branches remaining under the thumb of Property.
Further, not that the individuals making this statement are at all concerned with the niceties of the law, but the idea of the US Constitution applying globally seems a bit out of place with the well-known wholesale or near-wholesale rejection of international law by the conservative movements in the US.
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It always has also struck me the total hypocrisy of their Constitution-worship, treating it as the ultimate expression of human political wisdom and design, self-evident and absolute. But to be discarded as technicalities only existing or apply under special circumstances to well-behaved citizens whenever convenient. The way they talk about it, you'd think its instructs were universal dictums of political wisdom for the human race, yet its restrictions on judicial punishment and persecution are privileges for the well-behaved, not universals prerequisite for legitimate justice.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:It always has also struck me the total hypocrisy of their Constitution-worship, treating it as the ultimate expression of human political wisdom and design, self-evident and absolute. But to be discarded as technicalities only existing or apply under special circumstances to well-behaved citizens whenever convenient. The way they talk about it, you'd think its instructs were universal dictums of political wisdom for the human race, yet its restrictions on judicial punishment and persecution are privileges for the well-behaved, not universals prerequisite for legitimate justice.
Most of the rank-and-file don't have much knowledge of the Constitution (much like the average lay Christian has little knowledge of the Bible), so their hypocrisy is not to be unexpected. If you have no idea what it actually says, then how do you know that it applies to more people than just citizens? The leadership, meanwhile, either care not for what the Constitution says, or else are just as misinformed as their followers.
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SirNitram wrote:Full text here: Link
Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century

just nation unlike any other in the world.

With arrogant shite like this, is it any wonder why so many really don't like the US? "Unlike any other in the world"? So every other democracy just vanished out of existence the day before this was issued?
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Stuart Mackey wrote:With arrogant shite like this, is it any wonder why so many really don't like the US? "Unlike any other in the world"? So every other democracy just vanished out of existence the day before this was issued?
Nah just American exceptionalism, Right-wingers like to say that you can't compare the American political spectrum or estimate the success of UHC in America based on other democracies. Why? Because.
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Ford Prefect wrote:That's more or less the case in Australia (well it was, sort of). The Liberal Party of Australia has always been liberal in the sense that it supports free enterprise and individualism, but generally more socially conservative compared to the Australian Labour Party.
I guess you could say that the Libs have always been socially conservative when compared next to Labor. I think this has become more of a problem under Howard pushing the party further to the right though than it usually has been historically (the phrase 'small l' Liberal exists for a reason).

Lately though the line between both has gone a bit hazy.
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Stuart Mackey wrote:With arrogant shite like this, is it any wonder why so many really don't like the US? "Unlike any other in the world"? So every other democracy just vanished out of existence the day before this was issued?
Nah just American exceptionalism, Right-wingers like to say that you can't compare the American political spectrum or estimate the success of UHC in America based on other democracies. Why? Because.
That too :) but its still arrogance.
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