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State of health care debate: Pundits attack 11-year-old


AP – Gina Owens hugs her grandson, Marcelas Owens from Seattle, Wash., whose mother, Tiffany Owens died after …
By Les Blumenthal, McClatchy Newspapers – Thu Mar 18, 5:19 pm ET
WASHINGTON — Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy's account of his mother's death as a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens , whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh , Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.
"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle , said in an interview.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.
"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."
Sen. Patty Murray , D- Wash. , told Marcelas Owens' story to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden at the White House health care summit last month. Murray also has spoken about it on the Senate floor. Last week, Owens was in the nation's capital to speak at a health care rally and to meet with Senate Democratic leadership.

Limbaugh, Beck and Malkin are skeptical about the story, saying there were other forms of medical help available after Owens' mother, Tifanny, lost her health insurance. They lambasted Democrats for using the story.
"Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama ," Limbaugh said on March 12 , according to a transcript his show. "And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens : 'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'"
Beck, according to a transcript of his March 15 show, pointed out that Owens' recent trip to Washington was paid for by Healthcare of America, a group that has been lobbying for a health care overhaul.
"That's the George Soros-funded Obama-approved group fighting for health care," Beck said. "Since all of the groups are so concerned and involved now, may I ask where were you when Marcelas' mother was vomiting blood?"
Beck, who's from Mount Vernon, Wash. , said there were plenty of programs in Washington state that could have helped Tifanny Owens .

Malkin dismissed Marcelas Owens as "one of Obama's youngest lobbyists" who has been "goaded by a left-wing activist grandmother," promoted by Murray and has become a regular on the "pro-Obamacare circuit."
Malkin also suggested there were other programs that could have helped Tifanny Owens , adding, "It's not clear that additional doctors' visits in the subsequent months would have prevented her death."

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.
The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner , the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association .
"It's extremely important to have health coverage," she said.
Owens was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant when she became sick in September 2006 . As she became sicker, she missed work and was eventually fired, leaving her without health insurance. She was treated twice in an emergency room and died at age 27 after a week of unconsciousness. Gina Owens has custody of Marcelas and his two younger sisters.
Gina Owens said her daughter didn't qualify for Medicaid . State officials said that without knowing the details, it was impossible to speculate on whether Tifanny Owens would have qualified.

Tifanny Owens might have been eligible for Washington state's basic health care plan, which is aimed at the working poor. The plan has had a long waiting list for some time, said Sharon Michael of the Washington state Health Care Authority .
"Right now, we have 100,000 people on the wait list," Michael said.

Limbaugh has gone after young people before. In 2007, he told listeners that Democrats were exploiting an 18-year-old Yup'ik Eskimo and that her congressional testimony of global warming made him want to "puke."
Murray said she was appalled at how vicious the health care debate has become.
"The mom in me is getting really mad," she said. "You don't tear apart an 11-year-old because his mom died."
Marcelas Owens said he'll never know if his mother might have lived if she had health insurance.
"At least if she had it she would've had a fighting chance," he said.
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Really? REALLY? going after an 11yo who lost his MOM?
I would say I can't believe this, but I do, its more raw meat to their listeners who probably pump thier fist in the air with a "DAMN RIGHT" as Beck and Rush talk about this boy as a "Puppet of the Left"
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As Race Bannon would say: "Just great. I'll bet you can beat up any kid half your size."

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Well, right-wing pundits are social darwinists, racists and sociopaths all-in-one. Nothing surprising here.
Idiot wrote:It's not clear that additional doctors' visits in the subsequent months would have prevented her death.
In short - it's not clear if this would have saved you, so why should you even bother? :lol: Oh, I love the logic.
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'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'"
Well, I'm glad to see you didn't totally miss the point in favour of making a cheap attack on the kid's smarts with a strawman.
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They really arent pretending anymore do they? They might as well put on their brown shirts at this point.
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I am not the least bit surprised that the kid being criticized by the conservatives was African-American.

I knew the American right was morally challenged, but this is a new low for them.
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wautd wrote:They really arent pretending anymore do they? They might as well put on their brown shirts at this point.
Giant statues of Atlas holding up the world sounds a bit more their style. Perhaps they'll apologise in their own special way, by sending the child his very own copy of Atlas Shrugged?
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Juubi Karakuchi wrote:Giant statues of Atlas holding up the world sounds a bit more their style. Perhaps they'll apologise in their own special way, by sending the child his very own copy of Atlas Shrugged?
It would be ironic if they sent a child a book written by someone who praised a child-murderer.
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Stas Bush wrote:Well, right-wing pundits are social darwinists, racists and sociopaths all-in-one. Nothing surprising here.
You'd think the GOP would have a problem with anything "Darwinian", now wouldn't you?
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adam_grif wrote:You'd think the GOP would have a problem with anything "Darwinian", now wouldn't you?
I'm pretty sure the GOP won't care about sources when there's poor people to fuck over. Besides, Social Darwinism is less about that pesky evolution stuff and more about legitimizing wealth.
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adam_grif wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:Well, right-wing pundits are social darwinists, racists and sociopaths all-in-one. Nothing surprising here.
You'd think the GOP would have a problem with anything "Darwinian", now wouldn't you?
It depends on which members of the GOP you're talking about. I see the Republican Party as being made up of three subfactions: the Religious Right, the laissez-faire capitalists, and the white supremacists. The first faction might be bothered by anything Darwinian, but the latter two probably won't.
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Vastatosaurus Rex wrote:I am not the least bit surprised that the kid being criticized by the conservatives was African-American.

I knew the American right was morally challenged, but this is a new low for them.
I wouldn't say this is a race issue. I'm sure they would mock any 11 year old orphan who supports public health care regardless of race or creed.
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Vastatosaurus Rex wrote:
Juubi Karakuchi wrote:Giant statues of Atlas holding up the world sounds a bit more their style. Perhaps they'll apologise in their own special way, by sending the child his very own copy of Atlas Shrugged?
It would be ironic if they sent a child a book written by someone who praised a child-murderer.
It would only be ironic if they did something unexpected and out-of-character.
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Patrick Degan wrote:As Race Bannon would say: "Just great. I'll bet you can beat up any kid half your size."

Sociopaths.
Sadists, actually. They revel in the idea that someone else is being harmed.
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It's the fact that they have absolutely no real defense when someone who has been fucked by the current system, especially a child who is sick or has lost a parent, comes out in support of reform. But because they are conservatards and naturally reactionary, they get furious and attack the people out of sheer reflexive hate. A decade or 2 ago this would have been unthinkable and the media would have been all over them for this type of shit and the people responsible for the attacks would be shunned from polite society. But because it's that rabid, racist, hate fueled conservative fringe that is essentially forcing the entire conservative movement to follow their lead, it just doesn't happen anymore.

I mean it's fucking criminal that a bad comedian like Michael Richards gets shunned for using the word nigger a few times in frustration at heckling due to his own lack of talent, yet people that are far more racist and far more vicious about it (without using any slurs) can get away with shit so much worse, yet still be considered viable (and in many circles respectable) pundits and even political candidates.
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Wonder how many of these people who think these kids are fair game were frothing at the mouth for Sarah Palin's kids to be "off limits" during the 2008 Election...
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Is there even need to ask? If the exact same mother and child had suffered under the exact same circumstances but there was some way to pin blame on Obama/Democrats, you know that The Obese One et all would be hammering at it and thundering about 'what the Liberals have done to those poor people' 24/7.
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This lack of sympathy is astounding. Whats more do the bigots not realise they are not immortal unfailing supermen ? Same situation can happen to them. No one is immune to a chain of bad luck.
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Sarevok wrote:This lack of sympathy is astounding. Whats more do the bigots not realise they are not immortal unfailing supermen ? Same situation can happen to them. No one is immune to a chain of bad luck.

The ones making the attacks cannot have it happen to them because they are rich. These people love to talk about how "disconnected" liberals are from the "real" America, yet they are all filthy fucking rich and up to their eyeballs in corporate contributions.
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Vastatosaurus Rex wrote:It depends on which members of the GOP you're talking about. I see the Republican Party as being made up of three subfactions: the Religious Right, the laissez-faire capitalists, and the white supremacists. The first faction might be bothered by anything Darwinian, but the latter two probably won't.
Depends...has there been an outcry against Glenn Beck for stating Christians should boycott churches where priests advocate "social justice"?

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Skylon wrote:Depends...has there been an outcry against Glenn Beck for stating Christians should boycott churches where priests advocate "social justice"?

The Right has embraced the worst of Social Darwinism and doesn't even know it.
Well, duh.

The GOP has become dominated (And has been for at least as long as I've been alive...) by the people who've always loved Social Darwinism since that term, unworthy of Darwin's name, was coined. Religious leaders and the Rich.

The religious leaders know that poor and desperate people are more likely to be religious, and the Rich don't want to become even marginally less so to really help those less fortunate.
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To be fair (bitter as it tastes to call for this)...what should they have done? How exactly are they supposed to counter the strategy of grabbing an emotionally involving anecdote without seeming like heartless bastards?

That's not to say that Rush and his ilk aren't heartless bastards - I'm pretty sure that they are - but I can't see them as having too many non-bastard options with this.
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Maybe if the only possible avenue by which to advance your cause is bastardry, you should re-evaluate the rectitude of your cause.

Not that I'm suggesting that Limbaugh et all would do so, but I don't think it's to anything but their discredit that they made the play that they did.
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Kanastrous wrote:Maybe if the only possible avenue by which to advance your cause is bastardry, you should re-evaluate the rectitude of your cause.

Not that I'm suggesting that Limbaugh et all would do so, but I don't think it's to anything but their discredit that they made the play that they did.
...except that it's entirely possible for a bad cause to be supported with just this kind of heartstring-tugging, just as easily as a good one. Emotional content and the validity of an argument do not go hand in hand.
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Molyneux wrote:To be fair (bitter as it tastes to call for this)...what should they have done? How exactly are they supposed to counter the strategy of grabbing an emotionally involving anecdote without seeming like heartless bastards?
How about sticking to facts? That sound like a good plan?

See, the play to emotion is designed to grab sympathy, and if you try and attack the object of that sympathy you reinforce it and turn anyone already sympathetic to the person you are attacking even more against you.
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