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Family: 7-year-old shot by police was asleep

By COREY WILLIAMS (AP) – 32 minutes ago

DETROIT — State police will take over the investigation of the fatal shooting of a 7-year-old girl by a Detroit police officer during a weekend raid at the girl's home, a prosecutor said Monday.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said bringing in the state police to investigate the killing of Aiyana Jones would avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest.

"I agree that it is most appropriate that this be done independently," Worthy said.

Aiyana was asleep on the living room sofa in her family's apartment when Detroit police, searching for a homicide suspect, burst in and an officer's gun went off, fatally striking the girl in the neck, family members said.

Her father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood.

"I'll never be the same. That's my only daughter," Jones told WXYZ-TV.

Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said officers set off the flash grenade as they entered the apartment with their guns drawn about 12:40 a.m. Sunday with a warrant to look for a suspect in the Friday slaying of a 17-year-old boy. The lead officer's gun went off after he encountered a 46-year-old woman inside the front room of the home and "some level of physical contact" ensued. Police do not believe the gun was fired intentionally.

"This is any parent's worst nightmare. It also is any police officer's worst nightmare," Godbee said.

Family members identified the woman as the child's grandmother and Charles Jones' mother, Mertilla Jones, who has said she was not involved in a struggle with the officer. Police later said the officer may have just collided with the woman.

The officer, who police have not publicly identified, was put on paid administrative leave, Godbee said.

"This is a tragedy of unspeakable magnitude to Aiyana's parents, family and all those who loved her," Godbee said. "It is a tragedy we also feel very deeply throughout the ranks of the Detroit Police Department."

Police eventually found the 34-year-old slaying suspect they were looking for during a search of the building, Godbee said.

Charles Jones said he had to wait for hours to find out what happened to his daughter.

"Her blood was everywhere and I was trying to stay calm, but nobody would talk to me. None of them even tried to console me," Jones told The Detroit News.

Godbee would not comment on newspaper reports that neighbors told police there were children in the house and showed them toys in the front yard. The girl's father said three other children besides Aiyana were in the home when the raid happened.

On the porch outside the family's home on Monday, saddened friends and neighbors added candles, stuffed animals and balloons to a growing memorial to Aiyana.

"I don't know them. I came here because I feel it in my spirit. I'm feeling the pain," said Mark Jones, a 39-year-old Detroit father of four who tied three balloons to the porch railing.

Krystal Sanders, Aiyana's aunt, returned to the home with family members on Monday afternoon.

"We want justice, that's all we want," she said, crying. "We want justice."

When asked if police entered the wrong portion of the duplex that features two separate front entrances bearing individual addresses at opposite ends off the worn front porch, she said: "Yes they did. Yes they did."

A news conference was scheduled at 2 p.m. EDT at police headquarters.

Terrance Echols, 28, said he was in the basement of his home, across the street and two doors down from the home, when he heard a "bang."

He ran upstairs, "and I heard people yelling, 'You killed a 7-year-old girl. You killed the girl.'"

He said police quickly converged on the house, blocked the street with patrol cars and later had several adults lined up, leaning against the house.

"They were distraught, but the police had them all stretched out outside."

Charles Jones said he was trying not to be angry but wanted the story to be told. He said Aiyana was a lively child who loved to sing and had recently developed an interest in Hannah Montana and the Justin Bieber song "Baby."

"She was just figuring out what she liked, what she wanted to do with her life," her father said. "I want this story to be heard. This was a wrongful death."

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Wow... just wow. It looks like the police raided the wrong house, and then killed a little girl. This being Detroit, I wouldn't be surprised if it was either negligence or incompetence.

The story is a bit confusing, however. There's no clear explanation of what happened immediately prior to the girl being shot. Was there really a struggle in which a pistol was fired accidentally, or did the cop see movement on the couch and pull the trigger?
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It sounds like the officer in question was so inept and incompetent that he had no situational awareness in a low visibility situation whatsoever, and charged into and collided with someone who was up going to the bathroom in the dark or whatever, assumed he had been attacked by said individual intentionally running into him, and proceeded to open fire. Primarily an example of how police military-style tactics should be banned unless the police have full military training and equipment including night vision goggles for an operation like this.
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The officer should be charged with manslaughter and the department placed under investigation. However that won't happen, we'll hear that it was a mistake, some mumbling about reform, and then it'll never be mentioned again.
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This is a letter that Randy Balko at Reason (a libertarian magazine) got from Afghanistan
I am a US Army officer, currently serving in Afghanistan. My first thought on reading this story is this: Most American police SWAT teams probably have fewer restrictions on conducting forced entry raids than do US forces in Afghanistan.

For our troops over here to conduct any kind of forced entry, day or night, they have to meet one of two conditions: have a bad guy (or guys) inside actively shooting at them; or obtain permission from a 2-star general, who must be convinced by available intelligence (evidence) that the person or persons they're after is present at the location, and that it's too dangerous to try less coercive methods. The general can be pretty tough to convince, too. (I'm a staff liason, and one of my jobs is to present these briefings to obtain the required permission.)

Generally, our troops, including the special ops guys, use what we call "cordon and knock": they set up a perimeter around the target location to keep people from moving in or out,and then announce their presence and give the target an opportunity to surrender. In the majority of cases, even if the perimeter is established at night, the call out or knock on the gate doesn't happen until after the sun comes up.

Oh, and all of the bad guys we're going after are closely tied to killing and maiming people.

What might be amazing to American cops is that the vast majority of our targets surrender when called out.

I don't have a clear picture of the resources available to most police departments, but even so, I don't see any reason why they can't use similar methods.
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Oh, and just in case this wasn't immediately a given when you heard the thread title, here's a picture of the girl:

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Oh, that was obvious.
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This is definitely a much stronger example of the problem with widespread use of forced entry tactics by police than the one cited in the other recent thread on the subject.
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The standard excuse for the no warning raid is that they're conducted on drug dealers and they don't want them flushing evidence.

So why not just cut the water supply to the house before announcing your presence. You could do that here from the street stopcock that is usually there for plumbers to isolate the house supply for major plumbing work. Anyone who can entirely get rid of all their drugs in the two to four flushes they now have available probably doesn't have enough on hand for a dealing conviction anyway.
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The other question is why getting a conviction on a possible drug dealer should be considered more important than the safety of innocents.
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Vendetta wrote:The standard excuse for the no warning raid is that they're conducted on drug dealers and they don't want them flushing evidence.

So why not just cut the water supply to the house before announcing your presence. You could do that here from the street stopcock that is usually there for plumbers to isolate the house supply for major plumbing work. Anyone who can entirely get rid of all their drugs in the two to four flushes they now have available probably doesn't have enough on hand for a dealing conviction anyway.
Mind you this particular case is apparently a manhunt for a presumably armed and dangerous suspect in a murder. Nothing to do with drugs, as far as I can tell. So this is a rather different scenario from the SWAT drug raid in the other thread. One that very well could involved hostages, and thus justified the means employed. I will have to agree with the Duchess that better training probably is needed if police are going to be using these kinds of methods, especially when the officers doing the forced entry appear to not be SWAT (and thus presumably don't have the paramilitary training SWAT does).
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Well this fucking sucks.
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Rereading the article there appears to be less possible incentive for thinking it a hostage situation, given the two days that passed between the murder and the raid conducted while carrying out the search warrant, though I'm really not sure and have no knowledge in this area, so there may very well be very good reason to believe a hostage situation occurring. Regardless, I believe my other points still stand on thier own.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:The other question is why getting a conviction on a possible drug dealer should be considered more important than the safety of innocents.
Pigs use arrest and conviction statistics to lobby for increased spending on pig salaries and more pig jobs and more pig cars and more pig tanks.

They can't point to the number of innocents they didn't shoot and ask for more pig money.
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Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Fuck-damnit. What now? Reparations? "We are confident our officers followed proper proceedure?" "The operation was, on the whole, a success, despite unforseen circumstances?"

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I can't say that I even blame the officer, per se - they were, after all, hunting down a fugitive wanted in connection with a violent murder, with all probability of being armed, dangerous, and having nothing to lose by attacking the officers - if he got startled in the dark and had reason to believe he was potentially only miliseconds away from being blown away or stabbed through the throat, opening fire might well have been the "right" course of action.


But I can sure as hell blame the tactics involved here. It seems like they were searching an apartment complex, or a row-house with several domociles, since they said they caught the man they were hunting for in the building. But that doesn't excuse this. Nothing can.


There is something fundamentally broken when we value the lives of people's beloved pets and guardians less than we value capturing a couple of kilograms of narcotics, and when we value the lives of bystanders less than the apprehension of even dangerous fugitives. It is "To Protect and Serve", right, and not "To Capture and Punish," or did I miss something?

Unacceptable. On every fucking level, this is unacceptable. Now watch it get swept under the rug 'cause the victim was a poor inner-city black girl and not a snow-white blonde damsel.

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Vendetta wrote:The standard excuse for the no warning raid is that they're conducted on drug dealers and they don't want them flushing evidence.

So why not just cut the water supply to the house before announcing your presence. You could do that here from the street stopcock that is usually there for plumbers to isolate the house supply for major plumbing work. Anyone who can entirely get rid of all their drugs in the two to four flushes they now have available probably doesn't have enough on hand for a dealing conviction anyway.
The traditional combination (tank + bowl) water closet has at least one full flush in the tank with the water supply turned off.
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Like he said, if you can flush all your supply of drugs with that severely limited supply of water, you're not a dealer anyway, so the raid would be pointless in the first place.
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DETROIT - An attorney for the family of a 7-year-old girl slain during a weekend raid at their Detroit home says video footage contradicts the police department's version of events.

Geoffrey Fieger said Monday that footage shot by the A&E crime-reality show "The First 48" shows that police fired into the home at least once after lobbing a flash grenade through a window.

He says that contradicts the police department's explanation that an officer's gun fired during a confrontation with a resident inside the home. Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was shot in the neck and died.
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Fieger says he viewed three to four minutes of footage but declined to say who showed it to him. The police department says it is trying to acquire the video.

An A&E spokesman declined to comment.

The girl's father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite Disney princess blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood.

"I'll never be the same. That's my only daughter," Jones told WXYZ-TV.

Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee earlier said officers set off the flash grenade as they entered the apartment with their guns drawn about 12:40 a.m. Sunday with a warrant to look for a suspect in the Friday slaying of a 17-year-old boy. The lead officer's gun went off after he encountered a 46-year-old woman inside the front room of the home and "some level of physical contact" ensued. Police do not believe the gun was fired intentionally.

"This is any parent's worst nightmare. It also is any police officer's worst nightmare," Godbee said.

Family members identified the woman as the child's grandmother and Charles Jones' mother, Mertilla Jones, who has said she was not involved in a struggle with the officer. Police later said the officer may have just collided with the woman.

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The officer was put on paid administrative leave and police are investigating, Godbee said.

"This is a tragedy of unspeakable magnitude to Aiyana's parents, family and all those who loved her," Godbee said. "It is a tragedy we also feel very deeply throughout the ranks of the Detroit Police Department."

Charles Jones said he had to wait for hours to find out what happened to his daughter.

"Her blood was everywhere and I was trying to stay calm, but nobody would talk to me. None of them even tried to console me," Jones told The Detroit News.

The officers had a search warrant and were looking for a 34-year-old man suspected in the shooting death of Jarean Blake. Officers arrested the suspect during a search of the building, Godbee said.

Godbee would not comment on newspaper reports that neighbors told police there were children in the house and showed them toys in the front yard. The girl's father said three other children besides Aiyana were in the home when the raid happened.

Charles Jones said he was trying not to be angry but wanted the story to be told. He said Aiyana was a lively child who loved to sing and had recently developed an interest in Hannah Montana and the Justin Bieber song "Baby."

"She was just figuring out what she liked, what she wanted to do with her life," her father said. "I want this story to be heard. This was a wrongful death."
Well, they at least caught the fucker they were after, if he was in the home the little girl was shot in or in the other unit in the building is unclear. Not sure about the rest of this video stuff, at least not until I've seen it for myself, so who knows if they actualyl fired shoots prior to entering or not, but that sounds irresponsible enough to make my bullshit detector ping a bit.

In the event the cops story is true and the officer had a negligent discharge while wrestling the grandma, they need to fire his ass and charge him with manslaughter. Only way that scenario could happen is if the offer was one of those dumbshits that didn't learn Gun Safety Rule #3 "Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target", i.e. he was moving about with his ass scratcher in the trigger guard without a valid target present and sighted. I say take the son of a bitch out back of the cop shop and pistol whip him about the head and shoulders to knock some of the stupid out of him.
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When I was taking criminal justice I was told standard procedure was to alter the plumbing in such a way that anything flushed during a raid goes into a container that is turned over to the police.
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Mr. Coffee's link has just been updated, it now looks even worse for the cops.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37191818/ns ... ?GT1=43001
Attorney: Video shows police fired into home
He says footage contradicts police version of how 7-year-old was shot


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DETROIT - Police who carried out a raid on a family home that left a 7-year-old girl dead over the weekend were accompanied by a camera crew for a reality television show, and an attorney says video of the siege contradicts the police account of what happened.

Geoffrey Fieger, an attorney for the family of young Aiyana Jones, said he has seen three or four minutes of video of the raid, although he declined to say whether it was shot by the crew for the A&E series "The First 48," which has been shadowing Detroit homicide detectives for months.

Police have said officers threw a flash grenade through the first-floor window of the two-family home, and that an officer's gun discharged, killing the girl, during a struggle or after colliding with the girl's grandmother inside the home.

‘It's not an accident’
But Fieger said the video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation."

"Aiyana Jones was shot from outside on the porch. The videotape shows clearly the officer throwing through the window a stun grenade-type explosive and then within milliseconds of throwing that, firing a shot from outside the home," he said.


A&E spokesman Dan Silberman said neither he nor anyone else from the network would comment about the case, and he denied a request by The Associated Press for the footage.

Detroit police were trying to obtain the film crew's footage, Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said Monday.

Fieger said the investigation into what happened during the raid "needed to go no further than the videotape."

"The videotape shows clearly that the assistant police chief and the officers on the scene are engaging in an intentional cover up of the events," Fieger said. He said more than one camera was recording at the scene, and that the footage includes sound.

Police arrested the target of the raid, a 34-year-old man suspected of killing a 17-year-old boy, in the upstairs unit in the two-family home. Police had warrants to search both properties, and family members of the slain girl were seen going in and out of both on Monday. The suspect has not been charged, and it was not immediately clear what relationship he had to the slain girl.

What effect did the cameras have?
The case has been handed over to the Michigan State Police to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said Monday.

Some, including the slain girl's family and others, have questioned what effect the cameras may have had on the tactics used to conduct the raid on the home, which had toys strewn about the front lawn on Monday.

Two prominent criminal defense attorneys said they were unaware of past instances when Detroit police used flash grenades in raids when children were possibly present.

"That's a new one," said Detroit lawyer Corbett Edge O'Meara. "That does seem to be a pretty extreme measure. It doesn't surprise me that the police had no concern whether they were endangering the lives of children when they made this raid."

Attorney Marvin Barnett was more blunt: "I've never heard that before in my entire career, that you've thrown a flash bomb in a house unless you've got an armed suspect and you know there is nobody else in the house."

"I'd like to know who gave the order to do that," Barnett said.

‘Case by case’ basis
Godbee said the department was confident the film crew's presence had no effect on how the raid was conducted. He said the police department's use of flash grenades is decided on a "case by case" basis.

"It primarily goes to the severity of the crime and the potential of violence from the offender we're trying to get in custody," Godbee said.

He declined to comment on whether the officers involved in the raid were aware children were in the home.

"Our tactics absolutely will be addressed and assessed at the appropriate time," Godbee said.

The family was left searching for answers. They retained Fieger, a high-powered attorney who also represented assisted suicide advocate Dr. Jack Kevorkian, but the girl's father said he wants to know what led to his daughter's death.
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aerius wrote:Mr. Coffee's link has just been updated, it now looks even worse for the cops.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37191818/ns ... ?GT1=43001
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This is absolutely inexcusable. Detroit PD is going to be bent over a barrel for this. That officer's going to go to prison for manslaughter. Hopefully Detroit PD will rewrite the book on how they handle tactics in this sort of situation.

But none of that matters to that seven year old girl, because none of that will bring her back.

Maybe, just maybe, some of it can serve to keep something like this from happening again... but I don't count on it.
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A cop, go to jail for killing a black person? In America?

Pardon me if I'm skeptical.
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A&E will backpedal away from this fiasco so bad that they'll fall backwards. They'll not want to be part of the lawsuit that is going to happen against the Detroit police department, the officer in question and the city of Detroit.

I predict that this footage will be leaked and that A&E will probably drop that particular episode because of that fucktard cop.

I feel for the grieving family.
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Feil wrote:A cop, go to jail for killing a black person? In America?

Pardon me if I'm skeptical.
Sadly, whether or not action is taken depends on how much media attention it garners.

This stands to garner a lot of attention and I would frankly be surprised if the ACLU didn't get involved somehow either.
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