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By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer – 51 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Americans increasingly are convinced — incorrectly — that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and a growing number are thoroughly confused about his religion.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.
The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center and its affiliated Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, is based on interviews conducted before the controversy over whether Muslims should be permitted to construct a mosque near the World Trade Center site. Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center there, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it.

In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday — after Obama's comments about the mosque — 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.
In addition, 61 percent opposed building the Muslim center near the Trade Center site and 26 percent said they favor it.
The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian.

Among independents, 18 percent say Obama is Muslim — up from 10 percent last year.

Pew analysts attribute the findings to attacks by his opponents and Obama's limited attendance at religious services, particularly in contrast with Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, whose worship was more public.

Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center's director, said the confusion partly reflects "the intensification of negative views about Obama among his critics." Alan Cooperman, the Pew Forum's associate director for research, said that with the public hearing little about Obama's religion, "maybe there's more possibility for other people to make suggestions that the president is this or he's really that or he's really a Muslim."
Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many.

White House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey, but they prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call The Associated Press.

Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."

Six in 10 of those saying Obama is a Muslim said they got the information from the media, with the largest portion — 16 percent — saying it was on television. Eleven percent said they learned it from Obama's behavior and words.

Despite the confusion about Obama's religion, there is noteworthy support for how he uses it to make decisions. Nearly half, or 48 percent, said he relies on his religion the right amount when making policy choices, 21 percent said he uses it too little and 11 percent too much.
At the same time, the poll provides broad indications that the public feels religion is playing a diminished role in politics today, with fewer people than in 2008 saying the Democratic and Republican parties are friendly toward religion.

With elections for control of Congress just over two months away, the poll contains optimistic news for Republicans. Half of white non-Hispanic Catholics, plus three in 10 unaffiliated with a religion and a third of Jews support the GOP — all an increase since 2008.
The survey also found:

_The Democratic Party is seen as friendly to religion by 26 percent, while 43 percent say the same about the GOP. That's a 9 percentage point drop for Republicans since 2008, and 12 points lower for Democrats.
_Fifty-two percent say churches should stay away from politics, a reversal of the slim majorities that supported churches' political involvement from 1996 to 2006.

The poll, overseen by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, involved landline and cell phone interviews with 3,003 randomly chosen adults. It was conducted July 21-Aug. 5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.
I was going to title this "1 in 5 Americans are idiots" But that seemed a bit redundant. I mean no one should really be surprised by this, 1 in 5 is 18%, which is close to that magic number of conservatives in America who will still vote conservative no mater what. For me the big thinger here, as always, is the humor of some of the comments:
The biggest problem to this article is the media is trying to tell us American’s what we see and hear is wrong and if they tell us that Our Biggest American Mistake Around (obama) is Christian when we do not believe a word they say. In this country the courts and lawyers are now working with the Department of Justice to lie and cover for criminal acts and illegal people this is done to help keep democratic in control who are set to destroy this country. The November election is going to provide a pivot point as to whether this country survives or not.
Its all a big conspiracy! And the evil Liberal Media are in on it! Vote Republican or the country is DOOMED!
Anyone who can still recite Muslim "morning prayers" in a perfect Arab Dialect, yet cannot recall 20 years of sermons he supposedly listened to from his Anti-American (and former Muslim) preacher in a "Christian church" - does raise questions.

I would like to hear Obama, the famous long-time Christian, recite the Lord's Prayer or the Doxology (prayers every Christian has recited repeatedly) without a teleprompter one day without warning or a chance to prepare ahead of time. All we'd get is a grand excuse not to say it or a mouth full of gibberish.

He rushes to defend the building of a mosque in NYC - with 13 floors (an extremely unlucky number in Islamic society - with historical roots) - in a Capitalist Business section of New York - where there are FEW Muslims -- in a city where there exists already 100 mosques - where educated Muslims say they do not need or support the building of this mosque - and is supported to be built in this specific location only by radical liberals, people who hate Christianity and Judaism, extremists sympathetic to Islamic terrorists, and those who are anti-American.

Prove me wrong.
Lets SEE, He announces this country is not Christian, to date has not taken part in the national prayer day, courts all the muslim leaders, has a muslim name WHICH HE TRIED TO OMIT WHEN HE SWORE IN, and now to add insult to everything, supports the building of a muslim celebration of American murders by muslim terrorists. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A TRAITOR, TALKS LIKE A TRAITOR.....GEE, MAYBE ITS A TRAITOR. OH AND LETS NOT FORGET HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PRESIDENT THAT STOOD BY WHILE IRAN GOT ITS NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT THEY VOWED TO USE AGAINST ISRAEL. HES A FREAKING MUSLIM AND WE SEE IT. NO HIDING IT.
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Sometimes, I really hate being a American. It's people like those idiots who give the rest of the world fodder for American sterotypes like "All Americans are idiots". Sometimes I wonder just WTF is going through the heads of these fools? I mean, enough with the "He must be a Muslim" BS! Yes, he has a Muslim name, does that automatically make him a traitor, who only wants America to burn? No it doesn't!

Sorry, just had to get that rant off my shoulders.
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So one of the comments called the Islamic cultural center two blocks from the world trade center:
a muslim celebration of American murders by muslim terrorists
My word I am so upset on this issue. I made a comment about the mosque on fb and it turned into a 115 comment thread, with my relatives all saying that the very thought of it makes their skin crawl. What is WRONG with these people?

Of course, this is not really historically new. First Americans hated the Irish Catholic immigrants, then the Italians, the Germans, etc. There has always been xenephobia against the other. Now the other are Mexican immigrants and - God Forbid! - Muslims!

Jesus, people, get over it!
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Night_stalker wrote:Sometimes, I really hate being a American. It's people like those idiots who give the rest of the world fodder for American sterotypes like "All Americans are idiots".
America doesn't have the cornerstone on stupid. It merely has the cornerstone on LOUD stupid.

The 1 in 5 Americans are deluded figure is tolerably low; It's the 3 in 5 of those who say that they 'heard it on television' that makes me want to ask, "What kind of television are you WATCHING?". I mean, I know TV is no bastion of truth, but do you guys have news programs where they basically call Obama out as a Muslim?
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Lagmonster wrote:
Night_stalker wrote:Sometimes, I really hate being a American. It's people like those idiots who give the rest of the world fodder for American sterotypes like "All Americans are idiots".
America doesn't have the cornerstone on stupid. It merely has the cornerstone on LOUD stupid.

The 1 in 5 Americans are deluded figure is tolerably low; It's the 3 in 5 of those who say that they 'heard it on television' that makes me want to ask, "What kind of television are you WATCHING?". I mean, I know TV is no bastion of truth, but do you guys have news programs where they basically call Obama out as a Muslim?
Honestly, they probably do. Even if Fox News doesn't say it directly, you can bet they have a lot of talking heads who will deferentially repeat everything bandied about on the lunatic right wing blogs and infer and hint without ever saying directly that Obama is a Muslim. They'll just repeat he innuendo and let Pavlovian association do the trick for them.

Even though they could just outright lie about it, they have established it in court that a news organization has no obligation to be truthful about anything.
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Wait, people actually listen to Faux News? Wow, that was a stunning piece of news. I mean, Faux has never allowed biased news to air based on the words of so-called "experts"(Mass Effect controversy). Hell, this entire page must be fabricated :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_C ... ontroversy.

Faux seriously is nothing but obvious bias towards the Right Wing.
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racist pigfucker wrote:Lets SEE, He announces this country is not Christian, to date has not taken part in the national prayer day, courts all the muslim leaders, has a muslim name WHICH HE TRIED TO OMIT WHEN HE SWORE IN, and now to add insult to everything, supports the building of a muslim celebration of American murders by muslim terrorists. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A TRAITOR, TALKS LIKE A TRAITOR.....GEE, MAYBE ITS A TRAITOR. OH AND LETS NOT FORGET HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PRESIDENT THAT STOOD BY WHILE IRAN GOT ITS NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT THEY VOWED TO USE AGAINST ISRAEL. HES A FREAKING MUSLIM AND WE SEE IT. NO HIDING IT.
One, it's not christian. two, you don't need to pray to be christian. my grandmother is christian and she didn't necessarily pray. does that make her less of a christian. three. so did bush, and simply blowing things up isn't gona make things better. four hussein is arabic for handsome five it's not a mosque six muslims civillians were also murdered that day.

My god that idiocy is astounding.
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Night_stalker wrote:Sometimes, I really hate being a American. It's people like those idiots who give the rest of the world fodder for American sterotypes like "All Americans are idiots". Sometimes I wonder just WTF is going through the heads of these fools? I mean, enough with the "He must be a Muslim" BS! Yes, he has a Muslim name, does that automatically make him a traitor, who only wants America to burn? No it doesn't!

Sorry, just had to get that rant off my shoulders.
You've got it backwards. They assume he is a traitor, and conclude that he must be a secret Muslim. Though their belief that he is a traitor is in turn enhanced by suggestions that he is a Muslim, so it's a self-amplifying cycle of stupidity.
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I think Mike put it best when he pointed out that these people define themselves by what they oppose, and oppose usually also means hate. You can see it in those responses, they're frothing mad with irrational hate towards Muslims, a Black man being president, progressive liberalism, etc. You cannot discuss, reason or argue with these crazies, as they live in their own fictional fantasy world.
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Temujin wrote:I think Mike put it best when he pointed out that these people define themselves by what they oppose, and oppose usually also means hate. You can see it in those responses, they're frothing mad with irrational hate towards Muslims, a Black man being president, progressive liberalism, etc. You cannot discuss, reason or argue with these crazies, as they live in their own fictional fantasy world.
The more worrying issue is that more "moderates" are leaning towards the far right as days goes by. It would not be helpful if liberals do not even attempt to argue against the far right.
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ray245 wrote:
Temujin wrote:I think Mike put it best when he pointed out that these people define themselves by what they oppose, and oppose usually also means hate. You can see it in those responses, they're frothing mad with irrational hate towards Muslims, a Black man being president, progressive liberalism, etc. You cannot discuss, reason or argue with these crazies, as they live in their own fictional fantasy world.
The more worrying issue is that more "moderates" are leaning towards the far right as days goes by. It would not be helpful if liberals do not even attempt to argue against the far right.
That's the problem with the American mindless middle though, they're completely unreliable. They flip flop back and forth because they have little in the way of actual political convictions and an extremely short term memory. They just want everything to run along swimmingly and when it doesn't, they quickly turn and blame the party in power, even though anyone with half a fucking brain can see that the "Party of No!" are the ones doing the most to block any real progress. They truly get the government they deserve.

Edit: Sadly, the rest of us suffer for it.
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Temujin wrote:
ray245 wrote:
Temujin wrote:I think Mike put it best when he pointed out that these people define themselves by what they oppose, and oppose usually also means hate. You can see it in those responses, they're frothing mad with irrational hate towards Muslims, a Black man being president, progressive liberalism, etc. You cannot discuss, reason or argue with these crazies, as they live in their own fictional fantasy world.
The more worrying issue is that more "moderates" are leaning towards the far right as days goes by. It would not be helpful if liberals do not even attempt to argue against the far right.
That's the problem with the American mindless middle though, they're completely unreliable. They flip flop back and forth because they have little in the way of actual political convictions and an extremely short term memory. They just want everything to run along swimmingly and when it doesn't, they quickly turn and blame the party in power, even though anyone with half a fucking brain can see that the "Party of No!" are the ones doing the most to block any real progress. They truly get the government they deserve.

Edit: Sadly, the rest of us suffer for it.
Which is why it is especially important for liberals to actively argue against the far right. At the very least, it limits the ability of the far right to get away with posting stupid arguments unchallenged.
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Well a lot of liberals do, but certainly a lot more could. It doesn't help when Centrist President Obama and other Democrats refuse to flat out call bullshit on the Republicans in the name of the mythical cryptobeast of bipartisanship and instead play the Golden Mean fallacy game. And I'm not sure that it would do much good because the mindless middle has traditionally invoked the Golden Mean fallacy well and often enough on their own. The day they truly wake up and smell just how fucked up we are as a country it will probably be to late. Much easier to just keep watching reality TV and the further adventures of Snookie the Slut while hypocritically bitching about how much they hate her.
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Personally I think that obama is a secret atheist. So he is a radical black christian as well as a radical muslim. Cool mix.
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ArmorPierce wrote:Personally I think that obama is a secret atheist. [snip]
He's always struck me as being likely to just not devote much thought to spirituality at all, despite being enough of a realist to know that No Jesus = No Oval Office. If he'd been raised entirely in the American South and wanted to be a plumber or an accountant or whatever he'd probably be one of the millions of knee-jerk Christians who only shows up on Christmas and Easter and doesn't care enough to question it, but growing up with the diversity he was exposed to in Hawaii, Indonesia, etc and contemplating politics probably forced him to think about it and make what was ultimately not a very hard choice for his career compared to the one an atheist would face, in my humble opinion.

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I'm with Colin Powell on this one. One, Obama isn't a Muslim. Two, and more importantly, why the fuck would it matter if he was?

I'm in Texas, I should be more used to the outcroppings of xenophobic fucktards.
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HarrionGreyjoy wrote:I'm with Colin Powell on this one. One, Obama isn't a Muslim. Two, and more importantly, why the fuck would it matter if he was?
Well, for me personally it would've been tougher to convince myself that he was just going along to get along in his political career rather than making faith-based decisions in public office (which I could be utterly deluding myself about anyway) if he was claiming membership in any religion besides the most popular local one (not that my other Democratic options were any better in that regard by the second month of the Primaries).

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^ Actually, claiming membership in a religion as astonishingly unpopular with the mouth-breathers as Islam would be a sign to me that he does have principles beyond those of simple expedience. In fact, just weighing in on the mosque strikes me as a poor political decision: the only reason to stick his neck out would be principle.

At any rate, this is at least as much about xenophobia, crypto- and otherwise, as it is about anything else. The only reason why these rumors are sticking is because his father was Muslim, and bequeathed to him his appearance and his name. The logical flaw should be apparent to anyone who believes that Islam does not have a 100% transmission rate from father to son.
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Anguirus wrote:^ Actually, claiming membership in a religion as astonishingly unpopular with the mouth-breathers as Islam would be a sign to me that he does have principles beyond those of simple expedience.
Agreed, but we were just coming out of the W Years, and I was jumpy enough to find the possibility of a coldly calculating secular hack over the possibility of four more years with another religious fanatic more attractive in my voting, albeit not more influential in the measure of my respect for his personal integrity.
Anguirus wrote:In fact, just weighing in on the mosque strikes me as a poor political decision: the only reason to stick his neck out would be principle.
Sure: First Amendment-related principles, which are something else to me entirely. Obama's occasional shout-outs to the atheists are probably even more toxic at the polls when there isn't a rallying issue for the Islamophobe crowd like this in progress, in light of that study that was discussed here a couple years ago where theoretical atheists came in below theoretical Muslims for President (all else being equal).

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Night_stalker wrote:Wait, people actually listen to Faux News? Wow, that was a stunning piece of news. I mean, Faux has never allowed biased news to air based on the words of so-called "experts"(Mass Effect controversy). Hell, this entire page must be fabricated :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_C ... ontroversy.

Faux seriously is nothing but obvious bias towards the Right Wing.
Yes, people listen to Fox News. Last I read, it's the #1 news network in America, with more ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. :-x

And yes, there are a ton of stupid people who actually buy into its bullshit slogan of being "fair and balanced." I know someone who gets all his news from Fox (except for when he's listening to Rush Limbaugh :roll: ), spends most of his time cheering on Republican positions, questioned whether Obama was a Muslim on this very day, then actually said that he's a moderate who's "in the middle."
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Jim Raynor wrote:Yes, people listen to Fox News. Last I read, it's the #1 news network in America, with more ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. :-x

And yes, there are a ton of stupid people who actually buy into its bullshit slogan of being "fair and balanced." I know someone who gets all his news from Fox (except for when he's listening to Rush Limbaugh :roll: ), spends most of his time cheering on Republican positions, questioned whether Obama was a Muslim on this very day, then actually said that he's a moderate who's "in the middle."
Yes, it is the #1 news network in America.

My fundy parents say that all the news networks are liberal, but that Fox is at least closer to center than the others. Yes, they say Fox is still liberal. Just not AS liberal as the others.

What makes me really sad is the way Fox takes advantage of the elderly (the majority of its listeners). Surly's grandparents are 91 and 89, and they have Fox on ALL THE TIME. They are fairly senile and can barely hear, but apparently take in enough that his grandmother announced in her weak burbly voice at a family dinner that "Obama is a Muslim." She brought it up, no one else was discussing Obama at all. Where do you think she heard that? It just makes me sad. She should not be saddled with the waste Fox pumps out, at her advanced age and failing intellect. It just makes me sad.
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Edi wrote:Honestly, they probably do. Even if Fox News doesn't say it directly, you can bet they have a lot of talking heads who will deferentially repeat everything bandied about on the lunatic right wing blogs and infer and hint without ever saying directly that Obama is a Muslim. They'll just repeat he innuendo and let Pavlovian association do the trick for them.
This wasn't on Fox News, but I was listening to Hannity's radio show yesterday on the way home from school and he brought up the polls about this issue. He said he doesn't think Obama is a Muslim, but said that maybe the reason people believe that to be true is because of his policies trying to improve Muslim relations.
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Re: 1 in 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim

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JLTucker wrote:
Edi wrote:Honestly, they probably do. Even if Fox News doesn't say it directly, you can bet they have a lot of talking heads who will deferentially repeat everything bandied about on the lunatic right wing blogs and infer and hint without ever saying directly that Obama is a Muslim. They'll just repeat he innuendo and let Pavlovian association do the trick for them.
This wasn't on Fox News, but I was listening to Hannity's radio show yesterday on the way home from school and he brought up the polls about this issue. He said he doesn't think Obama is a Muslim, but said that maybe the reason people believe that to be true is because of his policies trying to improve Muslim relations.
What's that make Reagan and Bush Sr. then? http://www.debbieschlussel.com/24268/sa ... bush-were/
“Payload Specialist” Prince Sultan: Reagan/Bush Beat Obama to the Muslim NASA Outreach Punch

In fact, the Obama administration is not the first to waste tax-funded NASA resources and space program on Muslims. Ronald Reagan and his VP, George H. W. Bush, were. But they just wouldn’t say so publicly. At least Obama’s people are finally open about this outrageous behavior that isn’t new to his administration. Sad, though, that it took Al Jazeera to get it out of them.

There’s an old cheesy joke that Yasser Arafat complained to Gene Roddenberry that there were no Muslim crew members on “Star Trek’s” Starship Enterprise. Roddenberry tells him that’s because it takes place in the future. But, in fact, in real life, the future has already happened in space for Muslims, and it wasn’t perpetrated by Barack Obama.

When I was an intern on Capitol Hill in the summer of 1985 and still in high school, Saudi Prince Sultan Bin Salman Bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud held a giant party for all of the young interns on Capitol Hill. He and the Saudi Arabian Embassy rented out the Capitol Center and hosted free food, music, belly dancers, and other entertainment, trying to reach out to America’s future leaders and convince them of the modernity, hipness, and “appeal” of Saudi Arabia. The was the real purpose. But the ostensible purpose was to celebrate Prince Sultan’s trip into space, courtesy of NASA–Ronald Reagan’s NASA. While ultimately this was Reagan’s move, it was carefully orchestrated by then-Vice President George H.W. Bush, a close friend to the Saudi Royal family.

There were exhibits all over the Cap Center party honoring Prince Sultan’s space trip. And, at the time, everyone in the U.S. space program knew what a joke it was, what an obvious sop to the Saudis, given that the Prince didn’t have an iota of the years of training and skill it takes to become an American astronaut. He had the title of “payload specialist,” but the only payload for which he was actually skilled was “pay the lady.” Only months earlier, the Prince was the acting Saudi Information Minister and had zero space knowledge.

Everyone knew that this was a PR stunt that was outreach to Muslims in the form of fulfilling this spoiled Saudi Prince’s only unfulfilled Walter Mitty fantasy, courtesy of the Bush family that feted these people for decades. The real American astronauts laughed that the pretentious Prince Sultan insisted on wearing his Islamofascist get-up for the group picture of the STS-51-G Space Shuttle Discovery crew, yet he dressed in space gear for his individual shot. At the time, Sultan was the youngest person to fly in a space shuttle and not because he earned it. Even worse, U.S. taxpayer dollars helped finance Sultan’s launch and deployment of the Arab Satellite Communications Organization’s ARABSAT-1B satellite in space, the ostensible reason Sultan was aboard the flight. Yes, the Saudis supposedly paid a token amount. But it didn’t cover the overwhelming costs incurred. And that’s not the point.

Will Barack Obama also put a Muslim in space? I don’t know, but it’s irrelevant, since Ronald Reagan–with Bush, the father, pulling the strings–already topped him in this absurdly excessive bow to the Islamic world. They started this, not Obama. And George W. Bush, the son, reportedly tried to top both Pops and Reagan. Until he and his wife started to come under extreme scrutiny (but zero repercussions) for funding the U.S. stays of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers, the rotund Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar and his family members were talked up as possible space shuttle passenger candidates. Prince Bandar was, after all, so close to the Bush family that just after the 9/11 attacks, Bandar Bush–as he was affectionately called by the Bush family–smoked stogies with President Bush on the Roosevelt Balcony of the White House at night.

That’s not to mention that both Bushes and President Clinton allowed Dr. Ghanim Al-Jumaily, a top official of the Muslim Brotherhood and agent of Saddam Hussein, to reach staggering heights as a NASA scientist and to be installed as an Ambassador for “the new Iraq.” It’s an exclusive story I broke on this site. Jumaily even worked on the Mars Pathfinder Landrover. And after his years scaling and infiltrating NASA, Al-Jumaily ran a HAMAS/Al-Qaeda charity in the Detroit area which was raided by the FBI and which apparently funded terrorists killing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Bush Administration not only refused to indict him for terrorist money-laundering and financing, but okayed the new Iraqi government’s choice of Al-Jumaily as its Ambassador to Japan. Among those who signed off on the outrageous Al-Jumaily appointment was Dan Senor, the consistently incompetent U.S. official in Iraq who is the false hero of many clueless Jewish political conservatives. At the time, persecuted Iraqi refugees and victims of Saddam Hussein protested outside the offices of his charity. But, because of people like Senor and Grover Norquist running the Bush show, nothing came of it. Jumaily continues to live it up as Iraq’s Ambassador to his benefactors in Saudi Arabia. (To his credit, at least Bush didn’t put the kabosh on the mission of the only competent/qualified Middle Eastern astronaut ever on a space shuttle–the late Israeli, Ilan Ramon, of blessed memory.)

Yes, Barack Obama is not the first to seek out Muslims for NASA or even to wish to fly them into orbit on the U.S. dime.

It’s been done before. And no one cared. But the lumpenconservative proletariat is ignorant and seems to eat up anything against Obama like vampires to raw human meat. Where were they, though, when the Bushes and Reagan did it first?

Yes, it’s an outrage that Obama’s NASA guy told Al-Jazeera it’s one of his main missions. But where were they when the Bushes and Reagan actually perpetrated a worse outrage by actually carrying out that mission and creating the precedent?

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I bet more than 1 in 5 muslims worldwide think Obama is anti-islamic like Bush was. Barak Obama has lost the image he once had. By not taking a stand and trying to be a centrist Obama ultimately pleased nobody. His enemies still hate him and people who once cheered for him have become disillusioned.
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Re: 1 in 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim

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Exactly! You would think that regardless of his centrist ideals that he would at least gravitate to the side where he has the most support and cultivate that support; that's just smart politics. And it's not like people could really call him on it either like many did with McInsane when he began fellating the extreme right.
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