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Pretty bad corporate PR for Rolls Royce, Qantus Airlines, Airbus, and Boeing:
Second Qantas jet in engine scare

A Qantas airline jumbo jet has made an emergency landing in Singapore because of an engine problem.

The Boeing 747-400 turned back shortly after take-off from Changi Airport, airline officials said.

It comes a day after a Qantas Airbus A380 was forced to make an emergency landing at the same airport after one of its engines exploded.

Qantas grounded its six-strong fleet of A380s and an investigation is under way into what caused the blowout.

The latest incident affected Sydney-bound flight QF6, which was carrying more than 400 passengers.

"Shortly after take-off the captain experienced an issue with one of its engines," a Qantas spokeswoman said.

The plane managed to land safely, she said.

One of the passengers, Australian Ranjan Sivagnanasundaram, told Reuters news agency: "Around 20 minutes into the flight we heard a loud bang and the pilot asked the passengers to put our heads into brace position.

"It was a very big shock to us, especially after what happened yesterday."

Another, Andrew Jenkins, from the UK, described "a loud bang and a jet of fire from the back of the engine", the Associated Press reported.

Earlier, Qantas said the engine failure on its flagship A380 may have been caused by a design fault or "material failure".

CEO Alan Joyce said it was "an engine issue" and not one of maintenance on the two-year-old plane.

Rolls-Royce, the British firm which makes the Trent 900 engine involved, said it was checking all the A380s in service.

The engine blew up over western Indonesia, sending debris falling on to the island of Batam and leaving a trail of smoke.

Passengers were put on a relief flight to Australia early on Friday.
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Qantas points the finger at Rolls Royce for the first engine explosion:
Design flaw is the likely cause of midair explosion, says Qantas

QANTAS has conceded that a design flaw in a Rolls-Royce engine is a likely reason for a midair explosion on its A380 superjumbo, but it expects the fleet to be back in service within ''days, not weeks''.

Amid concern about Rolls-Royce engines on the A380 and other aircraft, Qantas played down airworthiness directives from European regulators about excessive wear on the superjumbo's Trent 900 engines.

As investigators arrived in Singapore to begin an inquiry that could take a year, the 440 passengers from QF32 arrived in Sydney last night after their midair drama on Thursday. Qantas hoped the other five of its six A380s could be back in service within days, provided they passed checks to be carried out by tomorrow.

Advertisement: Story continues below Despite Qantas's grounding of the fleet on advice from Rolls-Royce, Lufthansa's superjumbos kept flying and Singapore Airlines resumed flights after it conducted precautionary checks in less than a day on its A380s.

The chief executive of Qantas, Alan Joyce, said he would not take short cuts on the airline's safety reputation so had acted on the Rolls-Royce advice. Asked if this meant Singapore Airlines was taking short cuts, he said: ''No, I'm only talking about Qantas's operations.''

Singapore Airlines, whose A380s ply the Australia-Singapore route, said ''as far as we are concerned we have adhered to the advice from Rolls-Royce''.

Europe's air safety watchdog issued an alert in August about abnormal wear inside the Trent 900 engines installed on the A380s.

It also released an airworthiness directive on January 29 warning of abnormal levels of wear to the engine during standard operation.

It raised the possibility of ''loss of engine performance with potential for inflight shutdown, oil migration and oil fire''.

Mr Joyce said Qantas had acted on airworthiness directives from European authorities, which was a ''standard practice that we do on a day-to-day basis''. His comments were supported even by the aircraft engineers' union, which has used the drama to attack Qantas's approach to maintenance.

Mr Joyce did concede that the emergency was ''most likely a material failure or some sort of design issue''.

The A380 was forced to make an emergency landing soon after takeoff from Changi Airport in Singapore with a large piece of its second engine missing and a punctured wing.

Rolls-Royce, the second-largest maker of jet engines, faces a wave of concern about its latest models. In at least two cases in the past year, two A380s with Trent 900s had been forced to land after an engine failure, The New York Times reported. In August, a Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 test engine developed for Boeing had blown up during a ground test.

A former airline executive who declined to be named said it was worrying that substantial problems were found on an aircraft that was little more than two years old. It is the second serious explosion involving a Rolls-Royce engine on a Qantas aircraft in less than three months. An engine exploded on a Qantas 747-400 between San Francisco and Sydney on August 30.

Facing reporters yesterday, Mr Joyce was asked why the airline had not also grounded the 747 fleet. He said: ''The difference was the unconstrained failure in the 747 did not involve the high velocity that this engine did … the pieces of metal going into the fuselage - that made this a significant engine compared to that in San Francisco.''

The federal president of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, Paul Cousins, said the excessive wear cited by the European watchdog had occurred in the turbine area, roughly near the damage sustained by the QF32's engine.

''These moving parts are wearing and if they get to a point where there's excessive wear there could be a breakdown,'' he said.

''If they've raised it as an [airworthiness directive], then they are concerned that it would cause a malfunction of the engine.''

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau's head of aviation safety, Ian Sangston, said ''a number of abnormal engine indications'' had started on the second engine about four minutes after the plane took off.

Australian and Singaporean investigators were examining the damage and Indonesian authorities were arranging for the retrieval of debris that landed on Batam Island. A Senate inquiry into air safety has been launched by the independent senator Nick Xenophon. He is particularly concerned about overseas maintenance of aircraft, including the A380. The inquiry has received a submission from the Australian and International Pilots Association.
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While an engineering union points the finger at Qantus for outsourcing vital aircraft maintenance to second/third parties:
Union blames outsourcing for Qantas problems

The head of an Australian engineering union has made a direct link between the increase in incidents on Qantas planes and the increase in outsourcing of maintenance work.

Steve Purvinas, federal secretary of Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA), spoke after Thursday’s engine blowout on a Qantas A380 that had just departed Singapore.

“We know that the dramatic increase in the number of safety incidents involving Qantas jets coincides with an increase in the amount of [maintenance] work that is no longer carried out in-house,” he said in a statement.

In comments attributed to APP, he expanded further: “We have seen some pretty horrid results of maintenance from the overseas facilities – things that aren’t reported in the press.

“A bigger [incident] we have seen of late is, last year they had three engines on a 747 that weren’t bolted correctly to the wings and they flew ... this aircraft for a month or so after a maintenance check in Hong Kong.”
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Another theory was that these two Qatus aircraft flew through volcanic ash while passing over Indonesia, while there is another wackier theory of the CIA trying to trash Airbus to protect Boeing (like they supposedly trashed BP).
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There certainly seems to be some sort of problem with Quantus aircraft at this point... but it's a bit premature to invoke conspiracy.

Frankly, given the location of the Pacific Ring of Fire next to Australia, if there's abnormal entire wear then looking at volcanic ash as a possible factor makes a LOT of sense.

As to what's really going on - public safety would be better served by less finger pointing and more actual investigation.
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Broomstick wrote:There certainly seems to be some sort of problem with Quantus aircraft at this point... but it's a bit premature to invoke conspiracy.

Frankly, given the location of the Pacific Ring of Fire next to Australia, if there's abnormal entire wear then looking at volcanic ash as a possible factor makes a LOT of sense.

As to what's really going on - public safety would be better served by less finger pointing and more actual investigation.

Both incidents happened taking off from Singapore which means the aircraft were being used on a Singapore-Australia route; that means overflight of Indonesia, and there is a major eruptive cycle from Mount Merapi at the present.
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What about the Sydney-San Francisco 747?
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Man, it is pretty damn funny to see people spell a name in the title of a group of articles wrong every single time.

What explanation is going to take into account the thousands of other aircraft whose engines didn't explode? Its not like Qantas is even a large minority of the traffic in the area. I love the idiot unions whining, though, and everyone else saying 'haha idiots listen to the manufacturer next time'.
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Stark wrote:What explanation is going to take into account the thousands of other aircraft whose engines didn't explode?
First - the two engines that failed need to be examined so a possible cause can be determined.

Aircraft engines are supposed to undergo regular inspection. If the problem is engine wear or poor maintenance or manufacturer flaw or something else then other airplanes should be examined especially for those items during on their regular schedule. If the problem is volcanic ash then airplanes that fly routes near active volcanoes will need additional inspection and routes may need to be altered for awhile.

Aircraft engines are very robust, it is rare for them to fail, much less catastrophically. If a reason can be determined then, presumably, this is a fixable problem.

It may also be sheer coincidence two engines failed so close together, that is, there could be unrelated causes unique to the engines in question.

In any case - while the failure of any aircraft engine is cause for alarm, having one engine fail on a four engine plane is not a catastrophe*, as these incidents demonstrate. The emergencies were dealt with promptly, properly, and with no injuries, which, bottom line, is the outcome everyone wants.


* It can be fucking scary, though - I know, I've been on a passenger plane when an engine decided to fail and shed parts.
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It's Qantas, folks, not Quantus.

And yes, two engine blowouts for the same airline but on different airframes with different engines? This just might be an engine issue and not an Airbus design flaw as papers have been reporting (let alone the fact that it was an RR engine that blew).
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Broomstick wrote:First - the two engines that failed need to be examined so a possible cause can be determined.

Aircraft engines are supposed to undergo regular inspection. If the problem is engine wear or poor maintenance or manufacturer flaw or something else then other airplanes should be examined especially for those items during on their regular schedule. If the problem is volcanic ash then airplanes that fly routes near active volcanoes will need additional inspection and routes may need to be altered for awhile.

Aircraft engines are very robust, it is rare for them to fail, much less catastrophically. If a reason can be determined then, presumably, this is a fixable problem.
I didn't ask for a lecture. I'm simply highlighting that 'lol volcanoes' doesn't really cover the fact that hundreds of planes passed the same area.
Broomstick wrote:It may also be sheer coincidence two engines failed so close together, that is, there could be unrelated causes unique to the engines in question.
The manufacturer doesn't seem to think its a coincidence. They've highlighted issues with these engines on these planes and told users to do inspections.

[quote="Broomstick"In any case - while the failure of any aircraft engine is cause for alarm, having one engine fail on a four engine plane is not a catastrophe*, as these incidents demonstrate. The emergencies were dealt with promptly, properly, and with no injuries, which, bottom line, is the outcome everyone wants.[/quote]

Unless it turns out Qantas should have been doing what Rolls Royce said but were too cheap, in which case they're just wankers.
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Stark wrote:I didn't ask for a lecture. I'm simply highlighting that 'lol volcanoes' doesn't really cover the fact that hundreds of planes passed the same area.
Sorry, Stark, but I do assume other people than just you are reading this thread.

"LOL, volcanoes" doesn't account for the fact the other three engines on both airplanes continued to function without apparent problem, either. Which makes me doubt it was ash.
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Broomstick wrote:It may also be sheer coincidence two engines failed so close together, that is, there could be unrelated causes unique to the engines in question.
The manufacturer doesn't seem to think its a coincidence. They've highlighted issues with these engines on these planes and told users to do inspections.
Broomstick wrote:In any case - while the failure of any aircraft engine is cause for alarm, having one engine fail on a four engine plane is not a catastrophe*, as these incidents demonstrate. The emergencies were dealt with promptly, properly, and with no injuries, which, bottom line, is the outcome everyone wants.
Unless it turns out Qantas should have been doing what Rolls Royce said but were too cheap, in which case they're just wankers.
If Qantas got cheap on engine maintenance or whatever and that caused the problem then they should be severely penalized.
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That's why they're already pointing the finger in the PR world; they are 'downplaying' the fact that there is apparently a known issue with those RR engines on that plane. Other airlines are going out of their way to make them look bad, too, by saying how helpful the RR warnings have been. Poor old Qantas, lol.
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It won't be the first time Qantas had maintenance issues. They had some run in with the authorities back in 2008.
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It's a bit deceptive for the unions to be suggesting these are due to foreign maintenance crews when, apparently, the two planes have only ever been serviced here in Australia by QANTAS's own crews.
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Qantas has been cutting back on maintenance for years now(out-sourced or in-house), it is no suprise this is coming to bit them in the ass.
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Wasn't there a book published recently that 'exposed' these cutbacks and their impact on safety standards? I only flicked through it/read a few reviews but given what it was claiming I was surprised it didn't make more of a stir.

Also read in the paper today that there's a Senate inquiry already planned on airline safety, public submission have just ended. Qantas must be thrilled.
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QANTAS, spelt with A & S, not U & S,since its Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service for those non Aussies. :lol:

Anyway QANTAS has not ruled out taking legal action against the manufacturers. I have seen comments from "experts" (though they do stress its still early days yet, but it might bite Airbus and Rolls Royce in the arse more than QANTAS). Just wait and see. But just in case next time I fly domestic, I will consider QANTAS's competitors a bit more strongly. Of course international I fly Singapore airlines anyway. :lol:
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mr friendly guy wrote:QANTAS, spelt with A & S, not U & S,since its Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service for those non Aussies. :lol:

Anyway QANTAS has not ruled out taking legal action against the manufacturers. I have seen comments from "experts" (though they do stress its still early days yet, but it might bite Airbus and Rolls Royce in the arse more than QANTAS). Just wait and see. But just in case next time I fly domestic, I will consider QANTAS's competitors a bit more strongly. Of course international I fly Singapore airlines anyway. :lol:
Really, I would rather place bets that the problems lie more with Qantas than with Airbus and Rolls Royce. SIA, Lufthansa, Air France and Emirates have no problems with their A380s. Why is it that Qantas should have tonnes of problems all popping up all at once?
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The newer craft probably are more sensitive to lack of maintaince, and Qantas was too cheap to alter the maintaince schedule for the new aircraft.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
mr friendly guy wrote:QANTAS, spelt with A & S, not U & S,since its Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service for those non Aussies. :lol:

Anyway QANTAS has not ruled out taking legal action against the manufacturers. I have seen comments from "experts" (though they do stress its still early days yet, but it might bite Airbus and Rolls Royce in the arse more than QANTAS). Just wait and see. But just in case next time I fly domestic, I will consider QANTAS's competitors a bit more strongly. Of course international I fly Singapore airlines anyway. :lol:
Really, I would rather place bets that the problems lie more with Qantas than with Airbus and Rolls Royce. SIA, Lufthansa, Air France and Emirates have no problems with their A380s. Why is it that Qantas should have tonnes of problems all popping up all at once?
Hence why I adopt a wait and see approach. But in any event I have already stated that I would consider another airline when flying domestic anyway.
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Seems like the engine problem is not limited to Qantas airline.
SYDNEY – Singapore Airlines pulled three of its A380 superjumbos from service Wednesday after tests uncovered problems with the planes' Rolls-Royce engines less than a week after an engine on a Qantas A380 exploded shortly after take-off.

Tests revealed oil stains in three engines on three of the airline's A380s, Singapore Airlines said in a statement. The planes, in Melbourne, Sydney and London, will be flown to Singapore, where they'll be fitted with new engines, the airline said.

"We apologise to our customers for flight disruptions that may result and we seek their understanding," airline spokesman Nicholas Ionides said in a statement.

Last week, Qantas grounded its fleet of A380s — the world's newest and largest airliner — after one of the aircraft's Rolls-Royce engines burst during a flight from Singapore to Sydney. The explosion showered debris over Indonesia's Batam island. The plane, carrying 466 people, made a safe emergency landing in Singapore.

On Monday, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said tests had uncovered oil leaks in the turbine area of three engines on three different A380s. All six of the Australian airline's A380s remained grounded Wednesday.

London-based Rolls-Royce, an aerospace, power systems and defense company that is separate from the manufacturer of Rolls-Royce cars, had recommended a series of checks for the Trent 900 engines that are used in the A380s operated by Qantas, Singapore Airlines and Germany's Lufthansa.

Singapore Airlines grounded its entire fleet of 11 A380s following last Thursday's engine explosion on Qantas. After initial checks, Singapore returned those to service on Friday. However, on Wednesday, based on fresh analysis of the tests, Singapore took three of its A380s out of service again, due to oil stain results.

Singapore's eight other A380s, also flying with Trent 900 engines, remain in service.

Bryony Duncan-Smith, a Sydney-based spokeswoman for Singapore Airlines, said she did not know whether the oil staining found in the Singapore engines was similar to the oil leaks found on the Qantas planes.

The affected engines will all be replaced with Trent 900s, Duncan-Smith said. The airline does not know how long that will take, she said.

Rolls-Royce did not immediately respond to a request seeking comment Wednesday. On Monday, it issued a statement saying it had made progress in understanding what caused the Qantas engine to burst, but offered no details on what that cause might be.

Joyce said Monday that Qantas was focusing its investigation on the oil leaks, which he said were abnormal and should not be occurring on new engines.

Singapore said the engine changes don't affect its eight other A380s at this point.

The Qantas and Singapore incidents are not the first problems Rolls-Royce have faced with its engines. In September 2009, a Singapore Airlines A380 was forced to return to Paris mid-flight after an engine malfunction. Last August, a Lufthansa crew shut down one of its engines as a precaution before landing in Frankfurt after receiving confusing information on a cockpit indicator.

On Tuesday, the European Aviation Safety Agency said it was closely monitoring the probe into the Qantas incident. The agency issued orders twice this year advising airlines about extra inspections or repairs needed for the Trent 900s.

A380s flown by Emirates and Air France are instead kitted out by the Engine Alliance, a 50/50 joint venture between GE Aircraft Engines and Pratt & Whitney.
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Just heard on the radio B5 Aktuell(german news radio) of the list of damage caused by the engine exlosion.


1.Massive fuel leak in the left mid fuel tank (there are 11 tanks, including in the horizontal stabiliser on the tail)

2 Massive fuel leak in the left inner fuel tank

3 A hole on the flap fairing big enough to climb through

4 The aft gallery in the fuel system failed, preventing many fuel transfer functions

5 Problem jettisoning fuel

6 Massive hole in the upper wing surface

7 Partial failure of leading edge slats

8 Partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers

9 Shrapnel damage to the flaps

10 Total loss of all hydraulic fluid in one of the jet's two systems

11 Manual extension of landing gear

12 Loss of one generator and associated systems

13 Loss of brake anti-skid system

14 No.1 engine could not be shut down in the usual way after landing because of major damage to systems

15 No.1 engine could not be shut down using the fire switch, which meant fire extinguishers would not work on that engine

16 ECAM (electronic centralised aircraft monitor) warnings about the major fuel imbalance (because of fuel leaks on left side) could not be fixed with cross-feeding

17 Fuel was trapped in the trim tank (in the tail)creating a balance problem for landing

18 Left wing forward spar penetrated by debris


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mr friendly guy wrote:QANTAS, spelt with A & S, not U & S,since its Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service for those non Aussies. :lol:
Yes, Qantas, Qantas, Qantas, I get it. :P

Anyway aside from corner cutting airlines with annoying names, here's something potentially bigger to worry about:
China's C919 passenger jet wins first orders
A breakthrough first order has been made for 100 Chinese-made jetliners.

Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) has taken its first orders for the C919 passenger planes from three domestic airlines and General Electric's leasing arm.

The orders are being seen as a vote of confidence in state-owned Comac.

The move may also mark a challenge to the dominance of Boeing and Airbus who have virtual control of the trillion dollar aircraft industry.

Comac expects to sell more than 2,000 C919s over the next 20 years.
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I think Comac's estimate of future sales is wildly optimistic. Mind you, I think they will sell some airplanes, just not quite so many as they think. Boeing and Airbus both have a reputation of quality and reliability that Comac has not earned yet. It will take years of incident-free operation before people become as comfortable with a C-#### as they are with B-### and A-###
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I think they're trying to muscle in on the Chinese domestic market and developing countries who are pretty stretched financially.
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Countries strapped for cash buy used airplanes - that's why there are still something like 400 DC-3's in active service these days, all of them a half century old or whatever. Maintained, airplanes can last a long time.

Heck, Southwest has been known to buy used B737's, and they're considered a major player these days.
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Broomstick wrote:Countries strapped for cash buy used airplanes - that's why there are still something like 400 DC-3's in active service these days, all of them a half century old or whatever. Maintained, airplanes can last a long time.

Heck, Southwest has been known to buy used B737's, and they're considered a major player these days.
Newer planes suffer greater stresses on the aircraft skin and metal fatigue is a problem. I seem to recall at least one incident involving metal fatigue failure that resulted in a crash.

And... I recall that older 737s are known to have a peculiar locked rudder problem. Or was it another Boeing craft?
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