North Korea: An Explanation?

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

Post Reply
Norseman
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1666
Joined: 2004-07-02 10:20am

North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by Norseman »

I just found what I think is one of the most insightful explanations of the whole North Korean issue, so much so that I think it warrants a seperate post. B.R. Myers has written quite a few great books, but his speech on his book The Cleanest Race is something you should really hear (link to video). It's kind of long, but definately worth watching to the end. If he is right then there really is no way for the North Koreans to back down from their military stance. That makes me wonder if the structural problems with North Korea makes a war inevitable.
Norseman's Fics the SD archive of my fics.
User avatar
adam_grif
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2755
Joined: 2009-12-19 08:27am
Location: Tasmania, Australia

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by adam_grif »

I already posted that link in the Korean War 2 thread in Off Topic, but yes, it was quite insightful.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'

'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
xt828
Padawan Learner
Posts: 261
Joined: 2010-03-23 03:40am

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by xt828 »

Yeah, it was an interesting watch. The base of legitimacy idea that he talks about makes sense, and does a lot to explain the DPRK's intransigence towards the various proposals. What I found most unexpected was when he said that RoK doesn't want reunification - do we have any Korean members who can speak to that?
User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20813
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by K. A. Pital »

I think Lankov's analysis of the DPRK is superior. Also, Lankov predicted the shooting incident before it happened.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali
User avatar
Prannon
Jedi Knight
Posts: 601
Joined: 2009-03-25 07:39am
Location: Ontario

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by Prannon »

My understanding of North Korea - which comes from reading Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader - in a nutshell, is that Northern leadership built their society up from the ground based on lies and the idea that their system of life was superior to the South's. During the 1950s when the North was surrounded by Communist allies like Russia and China and other Eastern Bloc states with which to trade, it could afford to say this. Indeed, the Northern economy and military was larger and more powerful than the south for most of the 50s and 60s. They had mechanized farming and a higher standard of living than the South did until the 70s.

Ever since the 1960s when South Korea started its economic explosion and surpassed North Korea's economic abilities, that idea has been directly challenged. Northern leadership under Kim il-Sung couldn't afford to let the people question the system he had built up. This is partly because il-Sung's Party had built itself up over so many dead bodies and socio-political indoctrination that if the system were to be challenged, it would fall with violent upheaval that would see the ruling class utterly ruined.

So, in order to save face for their people and for their political rivals in the Party, they have refused to change the course of their economic policies, since that would basically be admitting defeat. It's a very Asian, Korean response to the problem. If they were forced to admit that they can't stand up to the US or South Korea, over whom it was dominant for so long, it would be the ultimate humiliation. They would honestly rather die. Essentially, it would cause a crisis of confidence in the Party and would lead to internal strife and likely the failure of the system.

As for most North Koreans, they don't truly know how far outclassed they are by the rest of the world, but they do have hints. Ever since the economic collapse and famine in the mid 1990s, many Northerners have had to rely on acquiring foreign exchange to purchase consumer goods in special stores. Many have kinda been forced to admit, even if only in their minds, that the stuff coming out of South Korea is of far better quality than anything produced locally. It's just that the Party system in place - which encourages citizens to tell on each other for unpatriotic thinking - is so oppressive that this realization can't really come to fruition.
xt828
Padawan Learner
Posts: 261
Joined: 2010-03-23 03:40am

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by xt828 »

Stas, which Lankov book would you recommend as best covering his analysis?

Apologies if this would be better in the history forum.
User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20813
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: North Korea: An Explanation?

Post by K. A. Pital »

Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali
Post Reply