Yay for more sex and corruption scandalsItaly: Silvio Berlusconi vote win sparks Rome clashes
Police fired tear gas as cars were set on fire and demonstrators threw eggs, paint and stones at parliament buildings.
Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi has narrowly won a vote of confidence in the lower house of parliament by 314 to 311, prompting street protests.
In Rome, violent clashes have left 50 police officers and at least 40 protesters injured.
The marchers set fire to cars, threw stones and overturned bins in Italy's worst street violence in recent years.
Mr Berlusconi's critics say he is too deeply mired in scandal and corruption allegations to remain in office.
The Italian prime minister, 74, is halfway through a five-year term but his position has been weakened by a series of scandals, largely involving his relationships with women.
He has also lost the support of his closest political ally, Gianfranco Fini, along with dozens of his supporters, depriving him of his automatic majority in the lower house.
Opposition remains
Thousands of people gathered in Rome and Italy's other major cities to demand a change in government.
Police fired tear gas on the protesters in Rome and several explosions - thought to be fireworks - were heard. Demonstrators threw eggs, paint and stones at parliament buildings.
Inside, two opposition deputies switched sides for the final vote, giving Mr Berlusconi a narrow victory.
Scuffles broke out in the lower house after opposition MP Katia Polidori voted in favour of Mr Berlusconi, and voting was briefly suspended.
Speaking in parliament, former anti-corruption judge Antonio Di Pietro - who now leads the opposition Italy of Values party - told Mr Berlusconi he was finished.
"Whatever the result of the vote you have bought, one thing is clear. You do not have a political majority that would allow you to govern," he said.
"Whether you like it or not, you have reached the end of the line for your political experience."
Last week, Mr Pietro made a formal complaint alleging that Mr Berlusconi was trying to buy votes. Rome magistrates have now begun an investigation.
There were also protests elsewhere.
In the Sicilian regional capital, Palermo, 500 students occupied the main airport runway.
In Turin in the north, students occupied the railway station, while in Venice they held a demonstration on the famous Rialto Bridge.
The demonstrations follow weeks of bitter protests against the government, which has announced austerity measures, including cuts in education spending.
The BBC's Duncan Kennedy in Rome says although Mr Berlusconi's lobbying has paid off for now, he will still face considerable opposition to his leadership.
Mr Berlusconi has become notorious for his gaffes. At a dinner with his MPs the night before the vote, the newspaper Corriere della Sera quoted him as saying: "I am unable to say 'No', I have never been able to, I've been lucky that no gay person has ever come to proposition me."
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It was very close though, something like 314 to 311.
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The power of corruption is very strong in Italy.
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Other than abusing his power to bang 16 year olds, how has he been as a president?
Re: Still not rid of Berlusconi. WTF Italy?
Utter disaster. Imagine Tony Soprano in charge of a country.lance wrote:Other than abusing his power to bang 16 year olds, how has he been as a president?
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I am truly amazed this person is in charge of a nation and amazed even more he still holds on to power. Whenever I see Berlusconi, I have the La Piovra tune in my mind and I can't shake it off. This is a sad day for Italy.
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Re: Still not rid of Berlusconi. WTF Italy?
I was thinking more like Larry David, mostly because of the very public gaffes.Thanas wrote:Utter disaster. Imagine Tony Soprano in charge of a country.lance wrote:Other than abusing his power to bang 16 year olds, how has he been as a president?
I suppose that the failure of the vote means there's no realistic chance of seeing him out of office until the next elections, barring a heart attack?
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Silvio Berlusconi is the perfect example of why letting your media ownership getting concentrated into a small elite of people is a bad idea.Thanas wrote:Utter disaster. Imagine Tony Soprano in charge of a country.lance wrote:Other than abusing his power to bang 16 year olds, how has he been as a president?
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Heart failure is a bit more likely.
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Re: Still not rid of Berlusconi. WTF Italy?
Paulie more like than Tony mate.Thanas wrote:Utter disaster. Imagine Tony Soprano in charge of a country.lance wrote:Other than abusing his power to bang 16 year olds, how has he been as a president?
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No no, you see Tony. Because Berlusconi is competent at evading justice, likes whores and is the head of a criminal enterprise.
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Re: Still not rid of Berlusconi. WTF Italy?
Pretty easy to avoid any persecution when you basically form public opinion like he does, he's still more like Paulie than Tony especially with the whore line, Tony was more a goomah kind of guy.Thanas wrote:No no, you see Tony. Because Berlusconi is competent at evading justice, likes whores and is the head of a criminal enterprise.
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Italy, the embarassing pimple on the arse of Europe.
I genuinely wonder what the hell goes on in what passes for a mind in someone like Berlusconi, is he suffering from tertiary stage syphilis?
I genuinely wonder what the hell goes on in what passes for a mind in someone like Berlusconi, is he suffering from tertiary stage syphilis?
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As we are already on the subject of fictional mob bosses leading a country, going by the movies Michael or Vito Corleone would have probably been much better at it than Berlusconi...Thanas wrote:No no, you see Tony. Because Berlusconi is competent at evading justice, likes whores and is the head of a criminal enterprise.
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The Corleones display more tact, good taste and dignity than Berlusconi.
If Berlusconi had lost the vote, would he have gone aboard to hide in his Antigua villa?
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