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http://www.gastongazette.com/news/bank- ... ailed.html
James Richard Verone woke up June 9 with a sense of anticipation.

He took a shower.

Ironed his shirt.

Hailed a cab.

Then robbed a bank.

He wasn’t especially nervous. If anything, Verone said he was excited to finally execute his plan to gain access to free medical care.

“I prepared myself for this,” Verone said from behind a thick glass window in the Gaston County Jail Thursday morning.

Verone spoke calmly about the road that led him to a jail cell he shares with a young man arrested for stealing computers.

The 59-year-old man apologized for squinting. He hadn’t gotten his eyeglasses returned to him since being arrested a week ago.

He smiled from the other side of the glass, sometimes gesturing with his hands. A plastic, red bracelet with his mug shot clung to his left wrist.

Until last week Verone had never been in trouble with the law.

Now he hopes to be booked as a felon and held in prison where he can be treated for several physical afflictions.

Medical challenges

Verone worked for Coca-Cola for 17 years. He prided himself on keeping his nose to the grindstone. Don’t make enemies. Sell the product. Make your deliveries and stick to your schedule.

When his career as a cola delivery man ended some three years ago, Verone was knocked out of his comfort zone.

He hopped back in the saddle driving a truck. But that employment didn’t have near the longevity, and Verone found himself jobless.

He lived off of savings and sought a part-time job.

Not his first choice, Verone became a convenience store clerk. But the bending, standing and lifting were too much for him. The Gastonia man’s back ached; problems with his left foot caused him to limp. His knuckles swelled from arthritis, and carpal tunnel syndrome made daily tasks difficult.

Then he noticed a protrusion on his chest.

Strapped for cash, Verone looked into filing for disability. He applied for early Social Security.

The only thing Verone qualified for was food stamps. The extra money helped, but he felt desperate. He needed to get medical attention, and he refused to be a burden on his sister and brothers.

“The pain was beyond the tolerance that I could accept,” he said. “I kind of hit a brick wall with everything.”

Last resort

A couple of months ago Verone started weighing his options.

He considered turning to a homeless shelter and seeking medical help through charitable organizations.

Then he had another idea: commit a crime and get set up with a place to stay, food and doctors.

He started planning.

As his bank account depleted and the day of execution got closer, Verone sold and donated his furniture. He paid his last month’s rent and gave his notice.

He moved into the Hampton Inn for the last couple of days. Then on June 9 he followed his typical morning routine of getting ready for the day.

He took a cab down New Hope Road and picked a bank at random — RBC Bank.

Verone didn’t want to scare anyone. He executed the robbery the most passive way he knew how.

He handed the teller a note demanding one dollar, and medical attention.

“I didn’t have any fears,” said Verone. “I told the teller that I would sit over here and wait for police.”

The teller, however, did have some fears even though Verone never showed a weapon.

Her blood pressure shot up and once Verone was handcuffed by police, the teller was taken to Gaston Memorial Hospital to be checked out.

Verone said he was sorry for causing the woman any pain.

Political statement

Verone says he’s not a political man.

But he has a lot to say on the subject of socialized medical care. He suspects he wouldn’t be talking to a reporter through a metal screen wearing an orange jumpsuit if such an option were available in the U.S.

“If you don’t have your health you don’t have anything,” said Verone.

The man has high hopes with his recent incarceration.

He has seen several nurses and has an appointment with a doctor Friday.

The ideal scenario would include back and foot surgery and a diagnosis and treatment of the protrusion on his chest, he said. He would serve a few years in prison and get out in time to collect Social Security and move to the beach.

Crime and punishment

Verone expected to be charged with bank robbery.

Because he only demanded $1, he was charged with larceny from a person. Still a felony, the count doesn’t carry as much jail time as bank robbery.

The bearded, gray-haired man plans to represent himself in court. He’s trying not to get too confident about his knowledge of the legal system. He just wants to prepare a statement for the judge and then take whatever active sentence he is given.

Verone is considering an ultimatum if the penalty isn’t great enough, he said.

The crime will happen again.

On the record

The day Verone set out to commit his first felony, he mailed a letter to The Gazette.

He listed the return address as the Gaston County Jail.

“When you receive this a bank robbery will have been committed by me. This robbery is being committed by me for one dollar,” he wrote. “I am of sound mind but not so much sound body.”

Verone wanted to talk to a reporter to make sure people knew why he turned to crime. He figured he had nothing to lose.

“I knew that a felony would not hurt me. I cannot work anymore,” he said. “That felony is going to hurt my reputation.”

Behind bars

Verone has been in jail for a week.

His $100,000 bond has been reduced to $2,000.

He doesn’t intend to pay it. His residence is now the Gaston County Jail.

He goes to breakfast and lunch each day but skips dinner. Dinner means nearly four hours in the general jail population, and Verone said he likes to minimize contact with other inmates.

“I stay very quiet,” he said.

Verone said he hears the other men talk about the revolving door that jail has become for them.

He hopes he doesn’t join the ranks of the repeat offender.

But today, he has no regrets about the robbery or where it landed him.

“If I had not exercised all the alternatives I would be sitting here saying, ‘Man I feel bad about it,’” he said.

But Verone said he thinks he made the right choice for his situation.

“I picked jail.”
Now this is a telling thing about the state of the US Healthcare system.

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I'm really just surprised we haven't heard more stories like this, and sooner.
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What a system we have, making THIS a logical plan.
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Points for thinking it through, including the meeting with the reporter. I wonder if the judge will have to consider the motive and change his sentencing to account for it?

I find it interesting that there's an RBC branch in South Carolina.
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There was something like this in Louis Theroux's documentary on San Quentin prison. One of the inmates was partway through a ten year sentence, and realised that since he had no family to speak of and a criminal past, he would find it near-impossible to make a decent living for himself once he got out, and would most likely be facing life on the streets. So he killed another prisoner and got himself a life sentence, thereby ensuring he'd be looked after for the rest of his days.

Say what you like about the morality of the guy (and the one mentioned in the OP), there is a sort of cold, hard logic to the whole thing.
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but they'll have to jail him.

1) if he dosen't get the treatment, he will calmly and logically commit this crime again. possibly demanding more money, possibly carrying a weapon to ensure the jail time.

2) how many copy cats will there be? they can't let him off. prison is still a punishment here, he doesn't like the other people.
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I don't think this news would do much to the controversy of healthcare in America.

If you think about it, committing robbery in order to get landed in jail for healthcare sound really wacky and extreme. Not many would risk a hard life in jail, ruining future employment opportunities and a dishonoring of their family name and pride by being incarcerated and probably put on record for it. Call me selfish, but I think depending (or burdening) your family for medical help is a better option than going to jail to get it, and I think even they would agree.

Even if the man committed crime to make a political statement about social healthcare, the right wing media, which over half the mindless masses of America worships as the truth, are simply going to portray him as some kind of lunatic, so the message is lost as well.

Trust me, the story's probably not going to change many people's minds about the state of healthcare in the country. I would give myself the benefit of a doubt though
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SpaceMarine93 wrote:I don't think this news would do much to the controversy of healthcare in America.

If you think about it, committing robbery in order to get landed in jail for healthcare sound really wacky and extreme. Not many would risk a hard life in jail, ruining future employment opportunities and a dishonoring of their family name and pride by being incarcerated and probably put on record for it. Call me selfish, but I think depending (or burdening) your family for medical help is a better option than going to jail to get it, and I think even they would agree.

Even if the man committed crime to make a political statement about social healthcare, the right wing media, which over half the mindless masses of America worships as the truth, are simply going to portray him as some kind of lunatic, so the message is lost as well.

Trust me, the story's probably not going to change many people's minds about the state of healthcare in the country. I would give myself the benefit of a doubt though
Extreme? Yes. On the other hand, look at the article again. The person is 59 years old and the only jobs mentioned in the article are driving trucks and working as a clerk in a convenience store. These aren't exactly highly-trained positions, and his long-term employment prospects were pretty slim anyway. What company is really going to hire a 60 year old to drive a truck? He doesn't have "future employment opportunities," particularly not in the current economy. It doesn't sound like he is in good enough physical condition to do the kind of work he has experience in, and it doesn't sound like he has the training to get a desk job, especially with all the other people looking for jobs who are younger and in better condition.

As for relying on his family for support, how likely is it that they're in a position to support him? They can't put him on whatever health insurance they have, if any. His family may or may not be in significantly better financial shape than he is; there is not enough information in the article to say. What if his relatives are all barely scraping by and he knows that trying to help him will push them over the edge? I work in the mortgage industry and talk to people every day who are exhausting their savings and losing their homes because they have a relative who suffered a job loss or medical costs and has moved in with them. I can't blame this guy for deciding he'd rather be a burden on the penal system than on his family. Pride? Dishonoring the family name? If the situation is bad enough, practicality trumps pride.

The only thing I agree with you on is that this won't do much regarding the health care controversy in America, because too much of our population will look at it as his fault for not having a better job or better job skills, since blaming him is easier than trying to do something about our broken system.

I'm not condoning this man's actions -- but I can understand his reasoning and follow the logic, and that's what depresses me most about the story.
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SpaceMarine93 wrote:I don't think this news would do much to the controversy of healthcare in America.

If you think about it, committing robbery in order to get landed in jail for healthcare sound really wacky and extreme. Not many would risk a hard life in jail, ruining future employment opportunities and a dishonoring of their family name and pride by being incarcerated and probably put on record for it. Call me selfish, but I think depending (or burdening) your family for medical help is a better option than going to jail to get it, and I think even they would agree.

Even if the man committed crime to make a political statement about social healthcare, the right wing media, which over half the mindless masses of America worships as the truth, are simply going to portray him as some kind of lunatic, so the message is lost as well.

Trust me, the story's probably not going to change many people's minds about the state of healthcare in the country. I would give myself the benefit of a doubt though
Extreme? Yes. On the other hand, look at the article again. The person is 59 years old and the only jobs mentioned in the article are driving trucks and working as a clerk in a convenience store. These aren't exactly highly-trained positions, and his long-term employment prospects were pretty slim anyway. What company is really going to hire a 60 year old to drive a truck? He doesn't have "future employment opportunities," particularly not in the current economy. It doesn't sound like he is in good enough physical condition to do the kind of work he has experience in, and it doesn't sound like he has the training to get a desk job, especially with all the other people looking for jobs who are younger and in better condition.

As for relying on his family for support, how likely is it that they're in a position to support him? They can't put him on whatever health insurance they have, if any. His family may or may not be in significantly better financial shape than he is; there is not enough information in the article to say. What if his relatives are all barely scraping by and he knows that trying to help him will push them over the edge? I work in the mortgage industry and talk to people every day who are exhausting their savings and losing their homes because they have a relative who suffered a job loss or medical costs and has moved in with them. I can't blame this guy for deciding he'd rather be a burden on the penal system than on his family. Pride? Dishonoring the family name? If the situation is bad enough, practicality trumps pride.

The only thing I agree with you on is that this won't do much regarding the health care controversy in America, because too much of our population will look at it as his fault for not having a better job or better job skills, since blaming him is easier than trying to do something about our broken system.

I'm not condoning this man's actions -- but I can understand his reasoning and follow the logic, and that's what depresses me most about the story.
Well, this won't be a good option for other people, though
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If it is that depressing, somebody must stand up and do something for Healthcare in America, and I don't think people going to vote and talking to their own senators is going to beat Republicans and Corporate Lobbyists from the Insurance industries with their smooth-talkers and the billions of 'election donations' backing them up.
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Phantasee wrote:Points for thinking it through, including the meeting with the reporter. I wonder if the judge will have to consider the motive and change his sentencing to account for it?

I find it interesting that there's an RBC branch in South Carolina.
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To those with better knowledge of the law than I do. What could be done to dissuade copycats and abuse of prisoner health care under the current flawed health care system the US has?

Taking away care is not an option, forcing the bill onto the family of the inmate seems completely unrealistic, money earned from work done in prison would never earn enough.

The only solution appears to be changing the system from my viewpoint.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:To those with better knowledge of the law than I do. What could be done to dissuade copycats and abuse of prisoner health care under the current flawed health care system the US has?

Taking away care is not an option, forcing the bill onto the family of the inmate seems completely unrealistic, money earned from work done in prison would never earn enough.

The only solution appears to be changing the system from my viewpoint.
You could ignore the crime if its something like what happened here. Which will likely cause more desperate copy cats to escalate the issue, which ultimately won't work. Changing the health care system is the best bet, but least likely.
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SpaceMarine93 wrote:If it is that depressing, somebody must stand up and do something for Healthcare in America, and I don't think people going to vote and talking to their own senators is going to beat Republicans and Corporate Lobbyists from the Insurance industries with their smooth-talkers and the billions of 'election donations' backing them up.
So... if voting won't work, and talking to one's representatives won't work...

...what, exactly, do you expect Americans to do? Care to elaborate on that?
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Broomstick wrote:So... if voting won't work, and talking to one's representatives won't work...

...what, exactly, do you expect Americans to do? Care to elaborate on that?
Depends. Do politicians in the US behave with supreme indifference to public sentiment starting from the day after they've been elected, and only pay lip service to the fact they're supposed to be representing our best interests when actively campaigning?
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I, too, am curious to hear exactly what SM93 means by "something needs to be done."
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Zaune wrote:
Broomstick wrote:So... if voting won't work, and talking to one's representatives won't work...

...what, exactly, do you expect Americans to do? Care to elaborate on that?
Depends. Do politicians in the US behave with supreme indifference to public sentiment starting from the day after they've been elected, and only pay lip service to the fact they're supposed to be representing our best interests when actively campaigning?
I could probably say yes and see no real evidence to contradict me. It seems like they have to be indifferent to even get elected nowadays, what with all the issues-whoring they do without standing up for it later, and the need for money and all the attendant political favors that come along with it. There really is a class issue here. It seems very easy for people to get disconnected. A family friend started off with humble origins and now has millions of dollars from retarded Snuggie-style inventions, a few palatial houses in Aspen, and between griping about unions and Obama is looking into Nicaraguan real-estate to create a tax shelter. My response to most issues is always Kill The Rich but I do think that a lot of our representatives know but do not internally comprehend what a lack of healthcare can feel like.

I've got no healthcare and it's a very different perspective on life.

Plus, given how flaccid our government has been on Healthcare (despite making the 'greatest improvements' on record) I cannot say they really give a shit. They seem eager to do lip service and then ignore the real issues.
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Covenant wrote:I could probably say yes and see no real evidence to contradict me. It seems like they have to be indifferent to even get elected nowadays, what with all the issues-whoring they do without standing up for it later, and the need for money and all the attendant political favors that come along with it. There really is a class issue here. It seems very easy for people to get disconnected...
That pretty much describes the British situation. A million people marched peacefully through the capital to protest against going to war in Iraq, and it might have been a freak weather phenomenon for all it affected the eventual outcome. Mass rioting across much of central London earned us a few patronising soundbites before the Conservatives and their unwitting Lib Dem pawns ploughed gamely on with their so-called austerity measures. When I left the country at the end of May there was a general strike on the cards, not to mention what's going on in Belfast. Maybe they'll take the hint this time, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:Taking away care is not an option, forcing the bill onto the family of the inmate seems completely unrealistic, money earned from work done in prison would never earn enough.

The only solution appears to be changing the system from my viewpoint.
I would not be surprised in the slightest to see this case used by asshole pundits as an argument for removing healthcare from prisons altogether.

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Can't do it - it was a SCotUS decision that mandated prisons have to provide all needed medical care to prisoners.
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First, we must identify the obstacles - what is preventing America from having healthcare standards on par with that of Europe and other advanced countries?

1.) Corporations - Insurance companies wanting a monopoly on the healthcare of the people, something that is lacking in Europe.

2.) Politicians - either ideologically oppose to healthcare or doing it for Corporate sponsorship, e.g. Republicans in general, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, Rick Sontarum or whoever he is, etc.

3.) Mass Media - specifically Right Wing mouthpieces such as Fox News, and media personalities such as Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh. Known for using ideological/demagogic rhetoric rather than coherent arguments in their opposition to healthcare.

4.) Public - namely, the ignorant masses of people with the attention span of a goldfish who rely on other people to think for them, easily swayed by Mass Media and politicians who oppose US healthcare. Alternatively, you could consider them as decent people who don't want to waste their taxes on what they perceived as 'irrelevant' spending

5.) Other reasons.

Now that we had identified the opposition to healthcare, the question now is, how do we eliminate these opposition?
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I don't know, SM93; you're the analyst. You tell me.

I'm hoping for something impressive and creative. That would be great- a real solution to the problem.
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Also, I hope you're using "eliminate" in a metaphorical sense. However cathartic it might be, armed insurrection tends to result in extensive collateral damage for disappointing long-term results.
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Zaune wrote:Also, I hope you're using "eliminate" in a metaphorical sense. However cathartic it might be, armed insurrection tends to result in extensive collateral damage for disappointing long-term results.
Of course armed insurrection is impractical, whatever the solution is it has to be something pragmatic and practical.
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SpaceMarine93 wrote:
Zaune wrote:Also, I hope you're using "eliminate" in a metaphorical sense. However cathartic it might be, armed insurrection tends to result in extensive collateral damage for disappointing long-term results.
Of course armed insurrection is impractical, whatever the solution is it has to be something pragmatic and practical.
All right, then. Who bells cat? What do you have in mind?
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