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Just to show it's not just US cops who screw up.
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Police response an utter failure, coroner finds
Paul Bibby
October 14, 2011 - 12:00PM

Salter's father: No to armed police

The father of Adam Salter, a man shot dead by police in 2009, is calling for NSW police to put their guns away.

There is strong evidence that a policewoman who shot a mentally disturbed man in the back in 2009 accidentally used her gun instead of her Taser, a coroner has found.

Adam Salter was shot and killed in the kitchen of his Lakemba home in November 2009 after police responded to a call that the 36-year-old was stabbing himself with a knife.

The shooter, Sergeant Sheree Bissett, and NSW Police claimed that Mr Salter was threatening another officer with a knife and that lethal force was her only option.

But the inquest into Mr Salter's death learnt that Sergeant Bissett shouted "Taser, Taser, Taser" before firing her gun, and Deputy State Coroner Scott Mitchell has found that it was more than likely Sergeant Bissett had made a terrible mistake.

Describing the police response as "an utter failure", Mr Mitchell said: "There is a very strong flavour of confusion and mistake and, given her cry of 'Taser, Taser Taser', I think it is more likely than not that Sergeant Bissett mistakenly chose her Glock, having intended to employ her Taser.

"Police killed the person they were supposed to be helping.

"They forgot to remove or to secure the knife from the sink.

"They removed from the kitchen the very person, his father, most likely to be able to contain him.

"They left Adam Salter in the care of a young and inexperienced and ... ineffective and unresponsive officer."

Mr Mitchell told the Coroners Court in Glebe it was more than likely that, far from representing a threat to police, Mr Salter posed a threat only to himself.

Despite this, "without any proper warning or challenge, Sergeant Bissett fired the fatal shot".

Mr Mitchell also slammed the internal police investigation that followed the shooting.

He said the critical incident investigation report, written by Detective Inspector Russell Oxford of the NSW Homicide Squad, was "seriously flawed".

He said the investigation report "provided the commissioner with a very unreliable view of the circumstance of Adam Salter's death and will have failed to persuade the community that the circumstances surrounding Adam Salter’s death were investigated scrupulously and fairly".

Mr Mitchell did not make any recommendations and said he would not refer the matter to the Police Integrity Commission (PIC).

However, he left this option open for the family.

Outside the court Mr Salter's father, Adrian Salter, said the family were still considering whether or not they would pursue the matter with the PIC.

"What’s important to us is that Adam's life was taken unexpectedly, tragically and unnecessarily," he told reporters.

"I think that what happened was a tragic mistake and wouldn't have happened had the police not been carrying guns."
An earlier piece
Stark differences in accounts of killing
October 2, 2011

"Gentle and fun-loving" ... shooting victim Adam Salter with his sister Zarin.

Questions remain over whether a distressed man was the victim of a police operation that went tragically wrong, writes Paul Bibby.

THE death of Adam Salter from a police bullet on November 18, 2009, was big news.

Within hours of the 36-year-old victim being taken from his father's Lakemba home in an ambulance carry sheet, NSW Police had organised a press conference metres from the front verandah.

Acting Assistant Commissioner Stuart Wilkins told the waiting media that police had arrived with paramedics to find Mr Salter suffering from wounds inflicted on himself with a kitchen knife.

''During this time the male, who has got up from a lying position, we believe has grabbed a knife from the kitchen and confronted police,'' he said.

''During that confrontation that male has been shot, once, by police. A further struggle has ensued. The male has committed self harm again. Police have wrestled the knife from that male person.''

Radio stations gave the incident blanket coverage, and television stations re-enacted the events on their nightly news bulletins.

Few outside Mr Salter's family considered the possibility that, rather than being dangerous, he was a highly distressed man trying to harm himself.

But last week the coronial inquest into Mr Salter's death heard evidence that, when he sprang from the ground to grab the kitchen knife, he did not threaten police.

The court also heard that several police officers subsequently misled the public and senior police command about certain crucial aspects of what happened.

Questions were raised about the objectivity of the internal police investigation into the shooting - an investigation that exonerated the officers and recommended they be formally commended.


The inquest heard a police radio call from the scene of the shooting, and the initial police report, both falsely stated that Mr Salter came at police with the knife before he was shot.

The officer who made the radio call, Constable Emily Metcalfe, admitted during the inquest that she had been wrong, saying she did not know where the information had come from and that ''I can only suggest that I was in shock''.

The inquest heard that, following these initial reports, situation reports extending up the chain of command contained further misrepresentations about the shooting.

This included the claim that police had assisted paramedics in trying to restrain Mr Salter as he went for the knife, and they had ''challenged'' him to drop the knife several times before he was shot.

Detective Inspector Russell Oxford, from the NSW Homicide Squad, who wrote one of the situation reports, said that he had mistakenly cut and pasted an erroneous section of another report into his document.

He denied a suggestion by the lawyer representing Mr Salter's family that he had been part of a ''complete whitewash'' by police.

The reported misrepresentations by police are crucial, because they go to the question of whether the officer who shot Mr Salter, Sergeant Sheree Bissett, was justified in using lethal force.

The Deputy State Coroner Scott Mitchell has the power to recommend that Sergeant Bissett face criminal charges or other disciplinary action if he believes lethal force was not justified.

The critical incident investigation, led by Inspector Oxford, found that Sergeant Bissett's actions were appropriate because she believed the life of her colleague, Constable Aaron Abela, was in danger.

In a video walk-through interview that formed part of the investigation, Sergeant Bissett said: ''When he turned I thought he was going to stab [Constable Abela] and kill him.

''So, I've just drawn my gun and gone 'Taser, taser, taser' and … I shot him.'' (Because, you normally shout that before shooting someone? - Korto- )

The contrast between the police version of events given to the Deputy State Coroner and that from the both the paramedics and Mr Salter's father, was stark. The paramedics and Mr Salter's father say that, far from being in danger, Constable Abela watched as the disturbed and bleeding man stabbed himself in the neck.

The critical incident investigation by police and subsequent review by the force's Professional Services Command completely rejected this evidence and accepted the police version of events.

Mr Salter's family say he was a friendly, generous man under extreme mental stress.

Mr Mitchell will hand down his findings in coming weeks.
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Hey, what's the problem? Police are allowed to use deadly force in a situation where someone is threatening deadly violence, and this guy was stabbing someone with a knife! Repeatedly!

More seriously, my reading.
The guy is out of control and committing dangerous self-harm, so the officer decides to taser him (sensible enough, any risk of the taser is far less than the knife). In the excitement, accidentally pulls her handgun instead, shooting him dead. Ooops.
Then the cops think "Well, that's sad, but why compound a bad deal by ruining the officer's life as well?" and launch into cover-up mode. Unfortunately for them, there were also paramedice present giving a different version, instead of just the father who could be easily dismissed due to understandable bias.
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We had the same thing in the Bay Area on January 1, 2009. Unlike the Australian case it occured on BART and people had cell-phones taking pictures. You can actually see the "oh shit" expression on the officers face as he realizes what happened.

I think they should make guns and tasers easier to tell apart, but I don't know any good methods of doing so. Any ideas from our fire-arms lovers?
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You don't need to make them physically any different. The best method is to simply mandate that the TASER be carried cross-draw (i.e. butt facing forward rather than to the rear) on the opposite side of the body from the firearm. Muscle memory will do the rest.

I doubt very much a "TASER-gun confusion" has ever occured when the two were carried well apart from each other on the duty belt.
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Would maybe painting tasers a garish colour work? Something to distinguish it from the black of hand guns? Otherwise a cross-draw would be a good idea.
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Heaps of tasers are bright colours. I'm pretty sure the Queensland Police ones are bright hazard yellow.

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I'm not sure if the cops have regs around belt rigs, but that's a cross-draw there. Most of the female cops I see have their pistol a bit further back around their right hip than the men, but that could be a sizing thing.
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Yeah I did an image search and saw different colouring schemes for tasers - some are the same as guns but others have that yellow paint job.

In any case, the cross-draw idea seems the best really.
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Has anyone here used (or at least held) both a handgun and a taser?

I obviously haven't, but I was under the impression that a gun is black/grey, metal and relatively heavy, while a taser is generally bright, blocky, and the handle is plastic (the picture posted would confirm that).

So if someone manages to mix the two up, I think they should really be barred from any job involving vision.
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A significantly different handle shape would allow a second form of sensory feedback/confirmation. An officer wouldn't have to look at the weapon to determine which one had been drawn.
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Aren't taser handles plastic?
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A lot of guns, like a Glock, are also mostly plastic as well especially in the grip.
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fajner1 wrote:Has anyone here used (or at least held) both a handgun and a taser?

I obviously haven't, but I was under the impression that a gun is black/grey, metal and relatively heavy, while a taser is generally bright, blocky, and the handle is plastic (the picture posted would confirm that).

So if someone manages to mix the two up, I think they should really be barred from any job involving vision.

Depends on hte model of taser for the shape at least. And when adrenaline is pumping, the weight doesn't really matter.


But as fro shape and color?

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Making it like the TNG era dustbuster phaser would help I think. Distance on a taser isn't that great; so accuracy losses wouldn't be too horrible.
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fajner1 wrote:Has anyone here used (or at least held) both a handgun and a taser?

I obviously haven't, but I was under the impression that a gun is black/grey, metal and relatively heavy, while a taser is generally bright, blocky, and the handle is plastic (the picture posted would confirm that).

So if someone manages to mix the two up, I think they should really be barred from any job involving vision.
KS or SVPD can either confirm or refute this, but I'm fairly certain most officers wear some form of gloves on the job which would make it very hard to tell the difference between plastic and metal grips from tactile sensation alone. This seems to be one of those fuck-ups that can be minimized with the proper regs and training, but probably never wholly eliminated. The cover-up on the other hand, there's no excuse for that.
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Ah, ok, thanks.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
fajner1 wrote:Has anyone here used (or at least held) both a handgun and a taser?

I obviously haven't, but I was under the impression that a gun is black/grey, metal and relatively heavy, while a taser is generally bright, blocky, and the handle is plastic (the picture posted would confirm that).

So if someone manages to mix the two up, I think they should really be barred from any job involving vision.
KS or SVPD can either confirm or refute this, but I'm fairly certain most officers wear some form of gloves on the job which would make it very hard to tell the difference between plastic and metal grips from tactile sensation alone. This seems to be one of those fuck-ups that can be minimized with the proper regs and training, but probably never wholly eliminated. The cover-up on the other hand, there's no excuse for that.
I can chime in as an armed certified security officer, taser certed as well. Gloves, well, occasionally you might pull on gloves if you're expecting something, or it's cold out, but most of the time, you're just going barehanded. But with the amount of weapons with polymer grips, tactile sensation isn't enough. The fuck up, well, as SVPD said, crossdraw or weak hand draw are best ways to counter act it. For me, my taser is carried on a drop leg platform on my left side, so I have to reach further than I would for my firearm, and it's on my weak hand side.
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The problem here isn't that the officer screwed up. If their tasers were like the one in the photograph posted here then it would be real easy to draw the wrong one.

The problem is that it seems the cops went into auto-coverup mode. Hello? Accountability?
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I will chime in here as someone who has both a handgun and a Taser. Most Tasers I've seen here in Britain are bright yellow (Including my own). There is no way you are going to miss that. This would (most likely) never have happened with a combination of using a Yellow (Or any gun unusual colour) and crossdraw.
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In a situation where you're drawing a weapon without looking at it - and I can easily conceive of such situations - then color is irrelevant. You really, really need the handles to be notably different shapes so you don't have to look at the weapon to know which one it is.

There are other situations where grabbing the wrong handle could be dangerous or fatal and pains are taken to make them very different shapes, same principle. Sure, use different colors, use cross-draw, it can't hurt to have as many cues as possible, but the shapes being different would go a long way towards preventing accidents.
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I think any call for bright colours is missing the point that in action, you don't look. I can be corrected here by anyone who's actually done it, but in my mind you keep your eye on the target while taking your weapon from where you know where it is through practice. You wouldn't take your attention off the threat in order to look down at the colour of the weapon you're reaching for.
The cross-draw thing sounds like it would eliminate most errors, even if not a complete brain-explosion.

As I said, I found the cover-up (assuming there is one. I think so, but that's a PIC decision) understandable, but that doesn't mean acceptable. It's understandable because "Why ruin two lives for one stupid mistake?" It's unaceptable because:
1) It's corrupt. If there's anywhere where there should be zero tolerance, it should be among those empowered to enforce the law.
2) It creates a vulnerability to further corruption. "Return of favours", acclimatisation to corrupt behavior, and the like.
3) They may have considered the act victimless, but only by completely ignoring the feelings of the family who would be quite badly hurt by that false history of events.

Most particularly the family would be hurt by the idea of the police getting a commendation for their actions. I assume that was never an idea of the officers in the cover-up, it was just that after their masterful re-write others not in the loop felt it deserved a commendation and what then can you say without dropping yourself in it? The alternative induces nausea.
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As i said when you use both you visually check. A simple thing as putting the gun eye level is easy enough and it only has to be half a second to realise that it is bright yellow and taser. If it is not then it's your firearm. You also have to remember that an oddly shaped handle can be uncomfortable and THAT can make a life or death difference.
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I think most of the suggestions about feel, color, and such are coming from people who have little experience with stressful situations, or at least little experience with stressful situations involving confrontation with another person.

First of all, no, you don't look. The main reason a TASER has yellow on it is so everyone else realizes its not a firearm.

Second, when you're confronting a dangerous person, your body tends to go into a sort of "overdrive". LTC Grossman's book On Combat, and a number of other sources describe the physiological effects in much greater detail than I can here, but part of the effect is a combination of tunnel vision and a decrease in fine skills. The degree to which it occurs is highly variable depending on training, the type and degree of danger faced and other factors, but the bottom line is that in such situations it is not safe or reliable to trust in any sort of safeguard that requires differentiating one from the other by feel.

The degree to which this deterioration occurs is quite striking if you're not familiar with it. People (not just police officers) have been unable to even dial a simple 3-digit phone number like 911 because their brain reverts to familiar patterns so much that they are simply physically unable to make their fingers dial the numbers they want; the body simply dials the wrong number over and over again. In LTC Grossman's book, one story relates an officer that often dialed 411 to get needed information and when he needed to dial 911, simply could not. His fingers dialed 411 over and over and eventually he resorted to explaining what he needed to the 411 operator and having her call 911 for him.

What causes officers to draw their pistol rather than their TASER is that officers practice their pistol draw, at a minimum every time they qualify with their weapons and during any other firearms training, whereas TASER draw is not practiced nearly as often because TASER cartridges are expensive and there is little point in the sorts of accuracy shooting drills that are suitable for firearms. Muscle memory makes the firearms draw more familiar and where the brain is likely to go under stress when it issues a "draw" command.

This is why a system of separation that puts the TASER opposite the gun and facing the reverse way on the belt is safe. It relies on gross motor skills, which do not experience anything like this level of deterioration; if the brain says "I want a TASER" it is much, much, much harder for muscle memory to pull the hand to the firearm when it knows the desired object is all the way across the body.

People like to make comments in these threads about how someone who mistakes a gun for a TASER is some sort of raving buffon, blind, or whatever, but the fact of the matter is that almost no one here would do any better than these officers in such circumstances; people simply do not realize just how great an effect combat stress has on the body. It's not merely a matter of a pounding heart and heavy breathing; the physiological effects can be very profound. Even those of us that have had training would be at significant risk of accidentally drawing the wrong item.
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I have had plenty of experience.
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I haven't had combat experience, but I have had to land in airplane into someone's backyard in an emergency situation. After I had landed I couldn't remember how to turn the airplane off, which sounds insane to most people I've related it to, but yes, I can understand that under extreme stress the simple and obvious isn't so simple and obvious. The only thing that got me through that situation was having had repetitive emergency landing drills. I honestly don't remember manipulating the controls for the most part, but obviously I did so in a very automatic manner because my motor skills had become so ingrained.

So yes, I can understand how under extreme stress in a life or death situation one's focus narrows and the mind reverts to ingrained habits, losing most subtlety. That's why I think the emphasis so many are placing on color really is not the solution. As already mentioned, it seems logical you'd keep your eyes on the target if you felt that threatened. I don't think there's a harm in distinguishing a taser from a firearm by color, shape, or any other sensory feedback because who know what the officer under stress will still pick up? On the other hand, I'll take the word of an experienced cop over my own in such a combat situation as they have the more direct experience for that particular environment. If the cop says positioning on the belt, cross-draw, and so forth is the best way to avoid such mistakes I'll go along with that.

Part of the problem is that the average person can not understand how shooting someone with gun instead of a taser can truly be a mistake, and does not want to accept such an accidental death. And by "accept" I don't mean pretend it's nothing, or ignore it - clearly, an investigation needs to take place and if we can learn how to better prevent such things in the future we should. In fact, I thought some sort of investigation was mandatory whenever a cop fires his or her gun, it certainly was when my uncles were cops in St. Louis. What I think is, no one wants their loved killed by accident, in some ways it seems easier to assign malice to the guilty party, or incompetence, rather than deal with the fact that this is a mistake that can happen even to highly competent, highly trained people because of the way people function, or don't function, in a crisis.
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God wrote:I have had plenty of experience.

Far be it from me to question God, but what exactly is your experience?
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