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Kidnapped for Christ is a feature-length documentary film, which follows the stories of several American teenagers who were sent to an Evangelical Christian reform school located in The Dominican Republic called “Escuela Caribe.” The school is run by Americans and is advertised as a “therapeutic Christian boarding school” whose mission is to “help struggling youth transform into healthy Christian adults.” While many have praised the school for saving the lives of hundreds of troubled teens, in the past several years many former students have begun to speak out against the school, claiming that they suffered both psychological and physical abuse during their time there. The film’s director, Kate Logan, set out to document the experiences of the students at this remote boarding school and was given unprecedented access to film for seven weeks on campus in the summer of 2006. Through candid interviews with distressed students, footage of staff imposing extreme discipline and punishments, and finally the attempted rescue of a student being held at the school illegally past the age of 18, she was able to reveal the shocking truth of what was actually going on at Escuela Caribe.

The film centers on the story of David, a straight-A student from Colorado who was sent to Escuela Caribe in May of 2006 after coming out to his parents as gay. Like many others, David was taken in the night without warning by a “transport service” and was never told where he was going or when he would be brought back home. While at Escuela Caribe, David had no way of communicating with any of his friends or family back home until the filmmakers arrived and he decided to ask them if they would smuggle out a letter that he had secretly written to his best friend. Once word got back to David’s community about what had happened to him, many people sprung to action and formed a plan to get him released. Getting David out of this school, however, turned out to be a much more difficult task than anyone had thought, and the trials they went through to get David released revealed just how far Escuela Caribe would go to prevent a student from leaving.

David was not the only student whose life was impacted by the school’s severe approach to discipline. The filmmakers followed many other students who also experienced degrading punishments and who struggled to understand what was happening to them. The film also features interviews with former students, including Julia Scheeres, whose 2005 New York Times Best Selling memoir Jesusland tells the story of the disturbing physical and physiological abuse she witnessed and suffered at Escuela Caribe during the 1980s.

The growth of the troubled teen industry, especially therapeutic boarding schools located in the United States and abroad, has given rise to many other allegations of the inhumane treatment of youth and the exploitation of families who are desperately seeking help for their teenagers. The goal of Kidnapped for Christ is to tell the stories of the students at Escuela Caribe and to give them a voice so that they may make people aware of the broader industry of schools like Escuela Caribe and the potential danger they constitute for our youth. We hope that the film will be entertaining, shocking, thought provoking and will ultimately inspire change in the way these types of schools are run and regulated.
From Kidnapped For Christ.

There's a bad quality trailer for the film too.



I want to believe that this is an Onion-type spoof, but I find it all too plausible. I'm not even sure this is illegal, but I wish parents that did this would rot in a cell for years.
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David was taken in the night without warning by a “transport service” and was never told where he was going or when he would be brought back home.
What the fuck. Aren't there laws about kidnapping?
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IIRC, I'm pretty sure that if they have the consent of the parents then apparently it's legal for them to do shit like that. I can recall reading about similar instances with kids being kidnapped from their beds basically and taken to gay rehabilitation camps, and that it was legal due to them having parental consent. It's pretty disgusting and I sure as hell hope it's not legal.
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Parents can send a kid anywhere they want by force. On paper its no different then a boarding school with a wall on some up country estate on the US mainland.

I know someone personally, for a very long time, like all of youth, who got shipped off to a reform school similar to this concept in Samoa, frankly I think it saved him from being dead before age twenty. I have no doubt most such schools should be shutdown, including all the ones are are just anti gay and not for severe behavioral problems, and that many kids are sent to them wrongly… but that isn’t always the case and that's how the industry got its foothold. Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work. Same guy went from acting like a violent near psychopath to being able to graduate collage.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Parents can send a kid anywhere they want by force. On paper its no different then a boarding school with a wall on some up country estate on the US mainland.

I know someone personally, for a very long time, like all of youth, who got shipped off to a reform school similar to this concept in Samoa, frankly I think it saved him from being dead before age twenty. I have no doubt most such schools should be shutdown, including all the ones are are just anti gay and not for severe behavioral problems, and that many kids are sent to them wrongly… but that isn’t always the case and that's how the industry got its foothold. Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work. Same guy went from acting like a violent near psychopath to being able to graduate collage.
The head of my department is one such case. He got sent to a boarding school like this in Guatemala because he was really fucked up in his early teens, and is now a world famous biologist.

On the other hand, there needs to be some sort of oversight. Parents Do Not Own Their Children. Before this is permitted, the parents need to have to get permission from some oversight body, or there needs to be some mechanism by which a teenager can challenge their "detention", or seek legal emancipation. As it stands, the potential for horrendous physical and emotional abuse is simply too great. Hell, these people could be molesting children, and there is absolutely no way for authorities to ever find out. That is not acceptable.
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Stark wrote:If only there were any other ways to correct psychological problems than 'a big shock'. :lol:
LOL you know fucking nothing about the fucking situation. The person in question was in numerous counseling programs both from his family and the school district, he was in fights constantly, including several with me which I did nothing to provoke, and went to day and summer camps in the US first. You know what came out of that? He attacked his own parents and burned one of them with cigarettes. I also heard from someone else he attempted to burn down his own house as part of that, but that's second hand, albeit from someone unlikely to have made it up. Yeah I think when you reach that situation with someone fifteen-sixteen years old, what his exact age would be is hazy, and soon to be released into the adult world you have a real serious problem no?

So PLEASE TELL ME what other brilliant ideas you have. We aren't talking about some crazed bible thumping parents either.
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So what? Your anecdote about 'knowing a guy' who was SCARED ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW or whatever isn't just worthless, its misleading.

Maybe you shoudl turn your mighty intellect to how many people this DOESN'T work for, or are even MADE WORSE. I know its harder than simply repeating stories about GUYS YOU KNEW, but it might help you grow as a person rather than considering a single datapoint at all meaningful.
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David was taken in the night without warning by a “transport service” and was never told where he was going or when he would be brought back home.
What the fuck. Aren't there laws about kidnapping?
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Stark wrote:So what? Your anecdote about 'knowing a guy' who was SCARED ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW or whatever isn't just worthless, its misleading.

Maybe you shoudl turn your mighty intellect to how many people this DOESN'T work for, or are even MADE WORSE. I know its harder than simply repeating stories about GUYS YOU KNEW, but it might help you grow as a person rather than considering a single datapoint at all meaningful.
So in other words you got nothing, while two of us have direct experiences. You can think human experience is meaningless all you like, I don't give a fuck if you think all people are statistics. Some of these programs have a reason to exist. I already fucking said I have no doubts a lot of them shouldn't.
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Some shit you saw isn't 'human experience', dumbass. Its just one single event in probably tens of thousands. Using it to say 'Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work' is just hilarious.

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Shock to the system boarding schools have their place. There are kids who are fucked up and yanking them out of their depth can work if counseling and therapy are not cutting it. I went to such an institution myself where large muscled angry people yelled at me and physically motivated me for weeks, allowing next to no rest and being forced to do regimented work for my entire day when I was not being exercised. My only rest came during the two daily hours allotted for education and the evening time for personal hygiene and sleep. It was exhausting but in the end rewarding, and I could see that it did affect a change to those who I was sent there with. Most of it was for the better but there was the occasional person who broke and shut down or actively rebelled. I was not allowed to leave, I was monitored twenty four seven, I was inspected and re-inspected and pummeled both verbally and rarely physically to motivate me to achieve tasks. I was not allowed to speak unless spoken to and must always keep a respectful tone for those set over me even if they were the other people sent there with me.


And Stark I can tell you my experienced is not simply my own experience. It's built of of years of studying how young people think.

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Well, let's see, there's also stories like these, including stories like a girl who had sex with her boyfriend, was shipped off to the Dominican Republic, and was threatened by people in the program that she'd be "stripped naked and beaten black and blue like the whore she [was]", and the charming story of the guy who liked rock and roll and had some social interaction issues who was compelled to be Christian through physical, emotional, and verbal abuse. It's ok though, liking Rock & Roll totally deserves that sort of abuse to turn the wayward youth to Christ.
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Stark wrote:Some shit you saw isn't 'human experience', dumbass. Its just one single event in probably tens of thousands. Using it to say 'Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work' is just hilarious.
Way to be fucking retarded as always. I lived around the corner from this guy and went to class with him right up until I was put in private school and he got shipped to the south seas the same year. You don't fucking get in repeated fights with 'shit you saw'. What's hilarious is how you think you know all the details of someones life on the actual other side of the planet through the internet.

Is any method that can show a single success valid? Think carefully.
How about you read the thread, we have two people who know people for whom this worked... out of a half dozen people to reply so far. Amazing!
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Mr Bean wrote:And Stark I can tell you my experienced is not simply my own experience. It's built of of years of studying how young people think.
Thats fine, but people have also been 'reformed' by falling down some stairs. Its hardly a defence of the practice to say it works in some poorly defined proportion. There are probably studies out there comparing the efficacy of various ignorant 'shock therapies' to other therapy that are more meaningful than 'I knew a guy'. I knew a guy who had his life improved by a serious heroin addiction, but I don't go recommending it because its not represenative of any trend.
Way to be fucking retarded as always. I lived around the corner from this guy and went to class with him right up until I was put in private school and he got shipped to the south seas the same year. You don't fucking get in repeated fights with 'shit you saw'. What's hilarious is how you think you know all the details of someones life on the actual other side of the planet through the internet.
Adding detail to your anecdote doesn't actually give it more weight.
How about you read the thread, we have two people who know people for whom this worked... out of a half dozen people to reply so far. Amazing!
Are you honestly this irrational? Regardless, you're so driven by the relevance of your own experience that you dismiss out of hand other alternatives; you aren't just saying this works based on bullshit - you're extending that to saying that this is a better solution than others... based on a guy you knew. :lol:

That you characterise this as a popularity contest is fucking great. The votes are in! 8)
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Stark wrote: Are you honestly this irrational? Regardless, you're so driven by the relevance of your own experience that you dismiss out of hand other alternatives; you aren't just saying this works based on bullshit - you're extending that to saying that this is a better solution than others... based on a guy you knew. :lol:
Are you really this illiterate? As I said, numerous fucking other solutions were tried first, and for a protracted period of time, and coming from more then just the parents. They did not work. Since you consistently refuse to even suggest anything, I'm not even able to dismiss any fucking thing. :roll:
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Stark wrote:Some shit you saw isn't 'human experience', dumbass. Its just one single event in probably tens of thousands. Using it to say 'Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work' is just hilarious.

Is any method that can show a single success valid? Think carefully.
God damn you are an idiot. The good ones use the same techniques that a military uses (without the killing) to reshape the way someone thinks. You remove them from their comfort zone, ship them somewhere else, subject them to a psychological stress. Then you break down their self esteem, show them they have no control etc. Then, you get them in a group, and rebuild their identity, rewarding them for pro-social behavior, punishing them for anti-social behavior, and slowly give them back control and self esteem.

It works wonders in the military. In fact, it works so well, that when applied toward matters martial, it overcomes the natural human aversion to killing another human being in over 90% of cases (compared to less than 10% prior to the adoption of these methods. Source for this is On Killing by Lt. Col Dave Grossman, PhD. I have to add the acronyms as a matter of form. PM me for the full citation).

If it works for getting people to kill, it can get at least a subset of anti-social people to not be as anti-social.

Th bad ones by contrast either dont do this properly, or they use them to bad ends. Not all of them are fundamentalist prison camps.
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The circumstances of him being brought to the Evangelical school aren't substantially different from the circumstances under which one gets sent to rehabilitation by their parents for anything really. When my brother was sent he got handed a suitcase full of clothing and got shoved into a car. And to Evangelical Christian parents the difference between my brother getting high and joyriding a car and their son being gay is negligible. As a member of the GLB community I wholly dispute that they are equivalent but it is the logic they are operating on.

When you send a person to rehab you intentionally send them some place where they haven't got any connections outside the program by design. You don't want them to be in contact with their old friends and have a relapse back into the habits that got them sent there in the first place. That is how rehab programs work for any number of addictions and problematic behaviors, you either get with the program or else you sit bored in a room without anything to do till you get with the program.

However these programs cannot be allowed to operate wholly in the dark or massive abuses can and do occur. The same conditions that are exploited in order to help someone overcome an addiction can be used to exploit vulnerable people and commit egregious abuses. Those are not ok at all. And this particular place sounds a bit "Jonestown" for my liking.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: Are you really this illiterate? As I said, numerous fucking other solutions were tried first, and for a protracted period of time, and coming from more then just the parents. They did not work. Since you consistently refuse to even suggest anything, I'm not even able to dismiss any fucking thing. :roll:
So what? Do you really just not understand why one example is meaningless? Everyone else is pleased to speak in general terms or produce actual studies instead of just repeating a slightly different version of 'my dad beat me and it never did me no harm'.

I'm not even saying these methods are ineffective, which is probably why you are struggling to 'dimiss' something. I'm just saying your reason for thinking them effective is stupid. Like I said, I knew a guy who turned his life around after taking a whole lot of heroin. Clearly, this is an effective therapy to be recommended to others - right? Oh wait, this 'therapy' has risks, significant failure rates, unpleasant side effects, and all kinds of other characteristics simpleminded statements might gloss over. :lol:
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Stark - he's saying these institutions can work for certain people under certain situations. Ie. it's not a 100% failure rate. He's not extending that to claim that they work for everyone.


For me, boarding school made me who I am, for better or worse.

It wasn't a "We WILL CHRISTENIZE YOU" school though, just a quite religious educational establishment in the arse end of Blackpool. Classic hangover school from when Britian needed an endless supply of emotionally distant young men to fuel the empire.

It was used as a 'system shock' for a lot of kids though - Germans who had failed a year, Chinese who were into drugs or had an objectionable relationship their parent's wanted to break up. worked in some cases. failed horrifically in others. some boys came out as men, others were thoroughly institutionalized.
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Stark wrote: So what? Do you really just not understand why one example is meaningless? Everyone else is pleased to speak in general terms or produce actual studies instead of just repeating a slightly different version of 'my dad beat me and it never did me no harm'.
Funny but Alyrium also gave a specific personal example, and you didn't say a word about it. I suppose because your bullshit about one example means nothing is instantly undermined because of that and you aren't saying anything else of fucking value.

I'm not even saying these methods are ineffective, which is probably why you are struggling to 'dimiss' something. I'm just saying your reason for thinking them effective is stupid. Like I said, I knew a guy who turned his life around after taking a whole lot of heroin. Clearly, this is an effective therapy to be recommended to others - right?
That would be true if that was literally the only thing in life I knew about these programs, or if I had ever advocated them for any and all random problems instead of saying most were bad out of hand, but none of that is the case. It is a valid option to be recommended when everything else fucking fails and you have someone fucking dangerously violent. A greater then zero probability of success beats zero. If this guy on heroin had failed at a shitload of other things, and someone else in a similar situation showed up then yeah, fuck it, taking a bunch of heroin and turning around makes a fucking lot more sense then just becoming a violent dropout or dead or more likely one turning into the other.. Maybe you don't get that part?

Oh wait, this 'therapy' has risks, significant failure rates, unpleasant side effects, and all kinds of other characteristics simpleminded statements might gloss over. :lol:
Did I ever say otherwise? No. But what I did say is, it can work when some people might think it 100% useless. You then response by claiming other shit can work, but we have a clear case in which that was not true. That does mean something. Dismissing an example is retarded unless you have something to specifically contradict it in that instance, all the more so when it is NOT isolated.
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Depending on how you define 'success' its obvious they are successful at least some of the time, but exit interviews would be a tiny bit more meaingful than 'this one time ...' testimonials. I wonder how open the more reputable institutions are with those kind of statistics?

Hey Skimbo in the quote you quoted I was specifically referring to Aly's far more meaningful contribution. Do try to keep up.

Its kind of sad that now you suddenly reveal that yes, there are other factors to consider that you didn't mention. If you'd been that mature and frank originally, you wouldn't have had to posture so ferociously about someone daring to consider your personal experience a bad basis for recommendation.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Stark wrote:Some shit you saw isn't 'human experience', dumbass. Its just one single event in probably tens of thousands. Using it to say 'Some people are really fucked up in he head in terms of attitude towards life and a big shock can work' is just hilarious.

Is any method that can show a single success valid? Think carefully.
God damn you are an idiot. The good ones use the same techniques that a military uses (without the killing) to reshape the way someone thinks. You remove them from their comfort zone, ship them somewhere else, subject them to a psychological stress. Then you break down their self esteem, show them they have no control etc. Then, you get them in a group, and rebuild their identity, rewarding them for pro-social behavior, punishing them for anti-social behavior, and slowly give them back control and self esteem.

It works wonders in the military. In fact, it works so well, that when applied toward matters martial, it overcomes the natural human aversion to killing another human being in over 90% of cases (compared to less than 10% prior to the adoption of these methods. Source for this is On Killing by Lt. Col Dave Grossman, PhD. I have to add the acronyms as a matter of form. PM me for the full citation).

If it works for getting people to kill, it can get at least a subset of anti-social people to not be as anti-social.

Th bad ones by contrast either dont do this properly, or they use them to bad ends. Not all of them are fundamentalist prison camps.
So it's fine for parents to have their children dragged off to the other side of the globe and psychologically abused so as to "set them straight." Yes, it does do wonders for military training. Said training is also applied only to volunteers and not some kids and teenagers that disappointed their bronze-age barbarian parents.

These institutions need to be shut down and the people running or providing funds for them seized, by force if necessary. If they were above board at all they wouldn't be in a different fucking country.
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David was taken in the night without warning by a “transport service” and was never told where he was going or when he would be brought back home.
What the fuck. Aren't there laws about kidnapping?
When I still lived in that shithole, I had a friend from Phoenix who'd smoked weed at 15. His mother, whose affair with her boss had driven her husband to suicide 2 years before, then hooked up with said bossman to come up with a "solution" to the weed-smoking.

Said "solution" involved the boss calling my friend up, saying that his mother was hospitalized due to a car crash (wild lie). My friend biked from his house to a nearby parking lot to get a lift to the hospital from the boss. At the parking lot, he walked up to the boss' car, then was rendered unconscious from behind (he thinks he was tazered).

He woke up in the middle of the Arizona desert, where for the next 2 weeks he was forced to walk miles in the summer sun (rough in AZ) with no water to get to various checkpoints, where he was given his one meal a day.

After these two weeks were over, he was driven home and dropped off outside his house. He never learned the names of any of the kidnappers. His mother tearfully told him it was for "his own good". My friend, to his credit, told her "fuck you bitch", and went on to a successful life without her. And he still smoked pot.
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It isn't legally considered kidnapping if it is done with a parents knowledge and consent.
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