Sheriff Joe Goes Full Retard [Birther]

[Flagg]

Washington Times

Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’

PHOENIX — Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday he suspects the birth certificate President Obama released last year is a “computer-generated forgery” — and also raised questions about the authenticity of the president’s Selective Service card.

“Based on all of the evidence presented and investigated, I cannot in good faith report to you that these documents are authentic,” Sheriff Arpaio said. “My investigators believe that the long-form birth certificate was manufactured electronically and that it did not originate in paper format as claimed by the White House.”

Questions over Mr. Obama’s birth certificate have been a political sideshow for the last four years, and have persisted despite repeated denials by the White House, and despite the release of evidence he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961. That evidence included both a certificate of live birth released during the 2008 campaign and the long-form certificate last year.

Fact-check organizations have concluded the certificates are authentic, and Mr. Obama has joked about those who questioned his birth. At last year’s White House Correspondents Association Dinner, soon after releasing his long-form certificate, he mocked Donald Trump, who had said his own investigators were looking into the matter.

Now Sheriff Arpaio, who first built his national profile by creating tent cities for jail inmates and later by taking a tough stance on illegal immigration, could reignite questions among those who continue to believe Mr. Obama was born outside the U.S., and therefore is ineligible to be president under the Constitution’s provision that the officeholder be a natural-born citizen.

Sheriff Arpaio said at least two crimes could have been committed in his view through the forgery. He repeatedly said he is not questioning whether Mr. Obama was born in the U.S., but instead is challenging the authenticity of the documents themselves.

He released a 10-page report detailing what his investigators said were “inconsistencies” in the text characters of the birth certificate image the White House released, and also questioned details of the computer file itself.

Some of those claims had earlier been raised on the Internet as well, and both the White House and independent fact-checkers have dismissed those questions, saying the computer file is consistent with the version of events the White House has detailed.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

It released the long-form certificate last year after repeated questions were raised by conservative activists and conspiracy-theory websites questioning the authenticity of the short-form certificate Mr. Obama released during the 2008 campaign.

The Justice Department has accused Sheriff Arpaio of civil rights abuses within his department, but he said he began his investigation before that — in August 2011, after tea party members from Surprise, Ariz., a town within Maricopa County, signed a petition challenging the certificate.

Sheriff Arpaio detailed former law enforcement officers who constitute what he called his “cold case posse” to do the investigation. He said no taxpayer dollars were spent.

He was joined in his press conference by Jerome Corsi, an author who has been critical of Mr. Obama. He was also one of those who took a critical look at Sen. John Kerry’s military service during his 2004 presidential bid.

Mr. Corsi made headlines when he traveled to Kenya, saying he wanted to track down where he thought Mr. Obama was really born.

Sheriff Arpaio said he went into the investigation with an open mind, and would have been happy to clear Mr. Obama.

His investigators said the computer file released by the White House appears to have been created on a computer, rather than having been originally made on paper and then scanned.

The investigators said they have identified “a person of interest” in the birth certificate.

Sheriff Arpaio’s chief investigator on the project said there are so many questions that he couldn’t have cleared Mr. Obama to be an employee of Maricopa County.

Pursuing questions over the birth certificate has been a thorny issue for the GOP. State lawmakers in several places, including Arizona, have pursued laws that would have imposed checks on any presidential candidate’s qualifications to get on their state ballots.

One such proposal in Arizona, which became known as the “birther” bill, was vetoed by Gov. Jan Brewer last year.

Can we send this guy to Gitmo or something? I mean considering his past and current shenanigans I'm sure he'd be content running a death camp, so can we please? Pretty please?

[Aaron MkII]

Man, the idea that Obama is some sort of Manchurian candidate is just fucked, the government can't cover anything up effectively.

Wait...isn't this that crazy racist sheriff who runs tent prison? In conditions we wouldn't be allowed to keep POW's?

[Flagg]

Man, the idea that Obama is some sort of Manchurian candidate is just fucked, the government can't cover anything up effectively.

Wait...isn't this that crazy racist sheriff who runs tent prison? In conditions we wouldn't be allowed to keep POW's?

Yeap. I remember watching a thing where there was a 8 month pregnant woman in a tent in 100+ degree heat and the response from Sheriff Hitler was basically "if it's good enough for our troops it's good enough for criminals!".

[Sea Skimmer]

We could and did keep POWs and civilian Japanese internees in such conditions in WW2 as they were no worse then what troops in the field then or now are expected to endure. Arpaio is right on that end. Anyway he's just extra pissed now that he has so many federal and state investigations hanging over him, and IIRC he's up for election again this year and his best hope of winning is to mobilize the nutters. His popularity has been steadily dropping.

[Alyrium Denryle]

We could and did keep POWs and civilian Japanese internees in such conditions in WW2 as they were no worse then what troops in the field then or now are expected to endure. Arpaio is right on that end. Anyway he's just extra pissed now that he has so many federal and state investigations hanging over him, and IIRC he's up for election again this year and his best hope of winning is to mobilize the nutters. His popularity has been steadily dropping.

No. It is not just the tents and temperature. It is the rancid food, lack of sanitation, lack of adequate water, refusing to treat medical conditions (and in some cases, intentionally making them worse to the point of killing people), rampant disease (MRSA and TB).

Keep in mind, many of the people there are pre-trial detainees. Not even convicted of a crime. So legally, they are NOT criminals.

[Ralin]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our troops in the field nowadays have really good air-conditioning anyway?

[Aaron MkII]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our troops in the field nowadays have really good air-conditioning anyway?

Depends where you are.

I actually watched a show on this guy, though I didn't realize who he was at the time and they had live electrical cables just running along the floor and shit. So if it ever rained, bad things would happen.

[Ralin]

Depends where you are.

Okay, let me rephrase that. Don't we spend a lot on air-conditioning for our troops in the field?

[Aaron MkII]

Yes.

[Alyrium Denryle]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our troops in the field nowadays have really good air-conditioning anyway?

It... depends on how remotely you are stationed, but yes. The accommodations at a permanent or even temporary base have air conditioning. If you are camping in the hinterlands, sure, you might have to do without, last I checked. However, camping out in the hinterlands of Afghanistan is not something inflicted on our soldiers for long periods.

Last I checked. I could be wrong there

You also get fed. MREs may have a shelf life of a few years, but they can be tasty (edible anyway) and wont give you food poisoning. Soldiers are also unlikely to get dysentery these days too, and probably wont get TB.

[Serafina]

Soldiers are also physically fit people, not ill illegal immigrants or pregnant women.

[Simon_Jester]

You also get fed. MREs may have a shelf life of a few years, but they can be tasty (edible anyway) and wont give you food poisoning. Soldiers are also unlikely to get dysentery these days too, and probably wont get TB.

And if they do get sick, the Army keeps around people whose job is literally nothing but taking care of soldiers who get sick (though they may moonlight taking care of random people, if they've got free hospital beds for it). Joe Arpaio has no such thing- quite the opposite, he won't even let a sick man go to a hospital if that sick man is in his lockup. Nor will he call a doctor, nor will he supply any medicine.

The only "armies" who treat their soldiers as badly as Arpaio treats his prisoners are barbarian hordes, or possibly the British in the Crimean War.

[Raptor 597]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our troops in the field nowadays have really good air-conditioning anyway?

It... depends on how remotely you are stationed, but yes. The accommodations at a permanent or even temporary base have air conditioning. If you are camping in the hinterlands, sure, you might have to do without, last I checked. However, camping out in the hinterlands of Afghanistan is not something inflicted on our soldiers for long periods.

Last I checked. I could be wrong there

You also get fed. MREs may have a shelf life of a few years, but they can be tasty (edible anyway) and wont give you food poisoning. Soldiers are also unlikely to get dysentery these days too, and probably wont get TB.

Combat arms soldiers don't usually get air conditioned living conditions. I did have air conditioning at my combat outpost, but I would often go on two or three day missions out in the suck. MREs and other rations can and do give a person food poisoning. Half of my troop got food poisoning and a bunch of us, myself included developed full blown dysentery from a bad meal of A rations. It occurs alot less then it used to, but deployed soldiers are living in third world shit holes and that leaves them prone to all sorts of conditions and illnesses. We also had two guys in our troop get TB during the deployment, one of them still deals with it the after effects. Also, all that conditioning and niceties were set up well after the initial invasion in Iraq, so most of the guys there the first two years went mostly without. In Afghanistan, the nature of the country leaves many units with only the most basic conditions the entire deployment due to the outposts being supplied by air.

All of that is superfluous and doesn't change the fact that Arapaio is a complete hack and his argument isn't valid; the troops lives in these conditions out of necessities but he's making his prisoners live like this out of spite.

[Darth Fanboy]

Flagg I request, nay, DEMAND evidence that Sheriff Joe is a mentally disabled individual! This is a strong accusation that cries out for concrete evidence!

Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’

Request rescinded.

In other news, Orly Taintz has applied to be a deputy sherrif in Maricopa County.

[noncredible]

And this tent city is legal because...?

[Mr Bean]

And this tent city is legal because...?

Prison systems are left up to the state unless it's a federal prison. There are few federal laws telling state prisons how they can be run, most of that is state law and most state law is along the lines of "Have a fence, have someplace for the prisoners, don't let to many die of scurvy".

[Alyrium Denryle]

I did have air conditioning at my combat outpost, but I would often go on two or three day missions out in the suck.

As I said. Camping in the hinterlands

Half of my troop got food poisoning and a bunch of us, myself included developed full blown dysentery from a bad meal of A rations.

Let me rephrase: They are not DESIGNED to give you food poisoning.

Also, all that conditioning and niceties were set up well after the initial invasion in Iraq, so most of the guys there the first two years went mostly without. In Afghanistan, the nature of the country leaves many units with only the most basic conditions the entire deployment due to the outposts being supplied by air.

All of that is superfluous and doesn't change the fact that Arapaio is a complete hack and his argument isn't valid; the troops lives in these conditions out of necessities but he's making his prisoners live like this out of spite.

Which is the thrust of it. Yes. Conditions for soldiers in front line combat can suck. But they do not intentionally suck. They suck because of supply problems, or terrain, or the fact that soldiers sometimes have to move to a place where infrastructure does not exist etc. They do not suck because someone wants to make them suck for no valid reason.

And... well... we really dont have that much TB and dysentery anymore in the armed forces. Sure it happens, especially in a third world shithole. However, it does not happen like it does in even a relatively nice prison system, let alone the one in Maricopa County AZ.

[Alyrium Denryle]

And this tent city is legal because...?

Prison systems are left up to the state unless it's a federal prison. There are few federal laws telling state prisons how they can be run, most of that is state law and most state law is along the lines of "Have a fence, have someplace for the prisoners, don't let to many die of scurvy".

Of course... Uncle Joe has violated all the relevant federal laws...

[Questor]

And this tent city is legal because...?

Prison systems are left up to the state unless it's a federal prison. There are few federal laws telling state prisons how they can be run, most of that is state law and most state law is along the lines of "Have a fence, have someplace for the prisoners, don't let to many die of scurvy".

Of course... Uncle Joe has violated all the relevant federal laws...

It's just that - unlike other places - the federal courts in Arizona don't seem to care.

[PeZook]

Since he has evidence of a crime, it is thus his duty to secure an arrest warrant for Barack H. Obama and upon receiving it, immediately arrest this suspect upon his arrival in Maricopa County, Arizona so that he can stand trial for forgery.

Otherwise his voters should immediately discharge him, since he would have comitted a grevious failure in his duties as a duly elected county official.

[Questor]

Since he has evidence of a crime, it is thus his duty to secure an arrest warrant for Barack H. Obama and upon receiving it, immediately arrest this suspect upon his arrival in Maricopa County, Arizona so that he can stand trial for forgery.

This has been in the back of my mind since I read this. I wonder if Sheriff Joe's got a big enough, brassy enough pair to try that - or if he's a bully that can only pick on those that don't have a private army?

I suspect the latter.

[Thanas]

He'd first need a judge to sign it.

[PeZook]

He'd first need a judge to sign it.

He claims to have evidence, doesn't he? It should be trivial

[Questor]

He'd first need a judge to sign it.

I'm trying to find the statute in Arizona, but lack of resources is hindering me at the moment.

Can't he be arrested without warrant, but immediately be given an evidentiary hearing?

EDIT: He's obviously got friends in the judiciary as nuts as he is to not be losing convictions by the bucketload, so I doubt the warrant would be much of a stumbling block anyway.

[Sidewinder]

Since he has evidence of a crime, it is thus his duty to secure an arrest warrant for Barack H. Obama and upon receiving it, immediately arrest this suspect upon his arrival in Maricopa County, Arizona so that he can stand trial for forgery.

Considering POTUS is the Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, and protected by the Secret Service 24/7, such an attempt will likely result in bloodshed, if not civil war.

Of course, considering the mentality of the birthers, I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to INSTIGATE a second Civil War. (Goddamn, dysfunctional education system that allows a "The South were the good guys! Pay no attention to the fact they STARTED the war, to preserve the institution of slavery!" attitude to flourish.)