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Wisconsin recall election, today is the day.

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What some are calling the second biggest contest of the 2012 election cycle - behind only the presidential race - is taking place in Wisconsin today.


On the surface, the election is about whether Badger State residents will recall their lightning rod of a governor, Republican Scott Walker, largely for having stripped Wisconsin public workers of their collective bargaining rights.


But on a national level, the recall effort has become a proxy fight over whether Republicans can push through spending cuts and confront organized labor - and live to tell about it. And the outcome will have major implications not just for the GOP but for the labor movement, the Obama campaign and the outside groups poised to play a major role in the November elections.

To understand just how large this battle has become, consider this: According to the Center for Public Integrity, candidates and outside groups have spent $63.5 million on the recall election - an enormous figure that easily breaks the previous record of $37.4 million (set in the 2010 gubernatorial contest) for spending in a Wisconsin election.



CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds reported on "CBS This Morning" Tuesday that Wisconsin voters are "energized and polarized." To see his report, click on the video below:





Walker is dominating his Democratic rival, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, in the money race thanks in large part to donors from outside the state. As of campaign filings released on May 29, Walker had raised $30.5 million, with about two-thirds of that total coming from donors outside Wisconsin. Barrett had raised $4 million, with about one-fourth coming from outside the state. Part of the disparity can be explained by the fact that Walker, as a sitting governor facing recall, is not subject to the state's legal limits on campaign contributions under Wisconsin law. Barrett, by contrast, was legally barred from accepting contributions in excess of $10,000 per person.


The rest of the spending in the race has been from outside groups, and it has disproportionately benefited Walker. The Tea Party-linked group Americans for Prosperity alone told CBS News it has spent $10 million on the race since January 2011 on what it says is education over the positive impact of Walker's budget reform efforts. Union groups have spent at least $2 million to defeat Walker, according to CPI.

Barrett only entered the race in late March, but the effort to recall Walker effectively began last February. That's when the newly-elected governor, who had defeated Barrett in the 2010 election, released a budget plan that proposed elimination of most public employee bargaining rights.


Walker had suggested during his 2010 campaign that he would close the state's budget shortfall in part through cuts to public employee pensions, but he said nothing about eliminating collective bargaining rights. His announcement in February galvanized many on the left, who began chanting "Recall Walker" at the Wisconsin statehouse as part of massive protests against the plan. Wisconsin Senate Democrats even temporarily fled the state in an ultimately futile effort to keep Walker's plan from being passed. In January, Walker's opponents submitted more than one million signatures to the state to trigger the recall election, far more than the 540,208 needed to do so.


Heavy hitters from both parties say the outcome of the race will have national repercussions. On Friday, former President Bill Clinton said that if people don't show up to vote for Barrett, Republicans will conclude, "we've got them now."


Mr. Clinton suggested that Republicans will take the following message from a Walker victory: "We're finally going to break every union in America. We're going to break every government in America. We're going to stop worrying about the middle class. We don't give a rip whether poor people will get to work their way into it. We've got our way now. We've got it all. Divide and conquer works."


Republicans, meanwhile, say that Walker's survival would validate their push to make difficult spending cuts to reign in a dangerous deficit.


"In order to make sure that our country doesn't go bankrupt it is very important for Scott Walker to win this election," Virginia Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli told NPR, "not just for Wisconsin, but for America." Among those who have campaigned on behalf of Walker are Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.


Conspicuously absent from the discussion has been President Obama, who has endorsed Barrett but otherwise steered clear of the race. Mr. Obama has not visited the state, in part to avoid being tied explicitly to a potential Barrett loss. They also worried the nasty fight could turn off independents in a state that Mr. Obama won easily four years ago but which his campaign now considers a tossup, according to an electoral vote map revealed Monday by Obama campaign manager Jim Messina. (Wisconsin pollsters tell CBS News that some voters who are backing Walker also back Mr. Obama, and maintain that the president is likely to take the state even if Walker holds onto his job.)




"If he did insert himself, the recall might have become a referendum on him, dealing him a blow in a contest over which he really doesn't have much control," CBS News Political Director John Dickerson said on Sunday's CBS "Evening News." Stephanie Cutter, Mr. Obama's deputy campaign manager, said on MSNBC Wednesday that the race "has nothing to do with President Obama at the top of the ticket and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with Mitt Romney at the top of the Republican ticket."


A campaign official insisted Monday that the Democratic National Committee and Obama campaign have worked on Barrett's behalf, noting that the DNC has directed $1.4 million to the state in the 2012 cycle, the presence of surrogates like Mr. Clinton and DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and the president's primary night endorsement of Barrett. But that has not been enough for some of Barrett's backers, including AFSCME president Gerry McEntee, who have complained that they have not gotten the support they need to counter a massive conservative mobilization on Walker's behalf, particularly early in the process.



While Republicans hold a major advantage on the airwaves thanks to the massive spending by Walker and his backers, Democrats have a big advantage in organization on the ground, thanks in part to a get-out-the-vote effort backed by organized labor. A Walker victory would thus offer evidence that the newly-legal unlimited spending by super PACs and other outside groups - which was unleashed by a pair of recent Supreme Court decisions, including Citizens United - can overcome the ground game Democrats have steadily built up around the nation in recent years.


A loss would likely effectively end Walker's political career, while a win would elevate him to superstar status among conservatives and likely prompt talk of a presidential run. For organized labor, a Walker loss would provide a major psychological boost while a Walker victory would feed the notion that the influence of organized labor - which made the governor's defeat a top priority - continues to wane.


While the national discussion of the race has been focused on Walker's controversial budget proposal, the fight between the two candidates has also been about unrelated issues. Walker has run ads against Barrett attacking him over what the Walker campaign says is an increase in violent crime in Milwaukee, while Wisconsin Democrats have attacked Walker with claims that he may be the target of a secret federal and state corruption investigation.


Also facing recall on Tuesday are the state's Republican lieutenant governor, Rebecca Kleefisch, and four Republican state senators. If Democrats successfully recall one of the GOP state senators, they will win a majority in the Wisconsin Senate and be able to block Walker's agenda even if he remains in office.


In the 2010 election, 2.1 million came out to cast ballots in the race between Walker and Barrett; this time around, election walkers say as many as 2.8 million people could come out. Two polls released Sunday showed a tight race, with Walker seeming to hold a slight lead: Democratic polling firm Public Policy Polling showed Walker leading Barrett 50 percent to 47 percent, while Angus Reid polling showed Walker with a 53 percent to 47 percent lead.


The polls suggested that Barrett's best hope for an upset victory lie in Democrats driving up turnout to levels last seen in the 2008 election, when Mr. Obama was on the Democratic ticket. Possibly helping him on that front: The state allows same-day voter registration, and Wisconsin's new law requiring photo identification at the voting booths won't be in effect for the recall election because it is still being hashed out in the courts.

Have not heard anything on this yet, figured it was time to start a thread. A LOT of pundits and bigwigs will be watching this. Curious to hear from our members in the area how they think the election may go.
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Not from the area, but Barrett kind of needs a miracle of voter turn out or for all the polling up to now to be flawed. As polarized as Wisconsin has become politically, recall elections tend to favor the incumbent by a significant amount; swing voters will tend to want to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him finish his term. Add that to the enormous amount of support the GOP outside Wisconsin have been giving Walker, such that he has been outspending him 25 to 1 and having every well known currently popular Republican parade through the state, it's going to be an extremely hard sell.

I don't buy that this will doom Obama in November, though. Those polls showing that Walker is going to make it also have Obama ahead of Romney by a similar margin, meaning that swing voters are mostly voting for the status quo in the recall, not some Great Conservative Rallying that people are trying to make it out to be. Wisconsin ultimately won't be a battleground state.
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I would have thought the Democrats would have done a better job of trying to counter the out-of-state funds by campaigning hard and telling voters from the state that out of state interests shouldn't have a huge say in Wisconsin politics.
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The DNC hasn't really offered much concrete support. It's been the source of what you might call minor frustration among activists.
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I've been hearing things about voter suppression robocalls telling petition signers that they don't need to vote.
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I can confirm that; I got such a call. Got an email shortly after from the Barrett campaign about how it was a lie.
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Some people are obviously worried; conspiracies about folks using a bus convoy from Detroit(?) to bolster Dem numbers.
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Aasharu wrote:I can confirm that; I got such a call. Got an email shortly after from the Barrett campaign about how it was a lie.
Another fun one is more common. Having the polls open after the workday starts and close just before it ends. Keeps all us dammed ignorant socialist young voters at work so our wiser retired betters can make sure things get done right.
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I don't know about Wisconsin, but polls in Indiana are open twelve hours, 6:00 am to 6:00 pm.
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Apparently word is circulating that turnout is on track for 119%. Which means people are registering at the polls. Not what one expects at a recall.
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I didn't realize that was allowed. A lot of states have a cutoff date that's months before the election for voter registration.
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If the recall fails, then we can expect a push to remove that particular ability.
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Are the recall-targeted state legislators up for recall today? Or is it just the governor?
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Simon_Jester wrote:Are the recall-targeted state legislators up for recall today? Or is it just the governor?
Yes there are several senators plus the Governor up for recall, if they recall the governor or get one of the senators the Democrats "win" in they can stop anything further by the Governor.

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Aasharu wrote:I can confirm that; I got such a call. Got an email shortly after from the Barrett campaign about how it was a lie.
Another fun one is more common. Having the polls open after the workday starts and close just before it ends. Keeps all us dammed ignorant socialist young voters at work so our wiser retired betters can make sure things get done right.
Man where the fuck does this even happen? :roll:
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Nate Silver on the results so far:

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Two polls released over the weekend suggest that Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, a Republican, remains the clear favorite to win Tuesday’s recall election.

Although the contest is fairly close, polls of gubernatorial races are ordinarily quite reliable in the late stages of a race. We have not officially released a forecast for the race, but Mr. Walker’s lead of about six points would translate into almost a 95 percent chance of victory if we used the same formula we did to evaluate gubernatorial races in 2010, which derives its estimates from the historical accuracy of gubernatorial polls over the past 15 years.

One of the new polls over the weekend, from Public Policy Polling, which conducts polling on behalf of Democratic clients as well as publishes its own polls independently, showed a somewhat tighter race, with Mr. Walker’s Democratic opponent, Mayor Tom Barrett of Milwaukee, having closed his deficit to three percentage points. However, the firm has showed somewhat more favorable results for Mr. Barrett than other polling firms, and this reflected a relatively minor change from the firm’s previous poll, which had Mr. Walker ahead by five percentage points.

At the same time, the Public Policy Polling survey had Mr. Walker at 50 percent of the vote and had very few undecided voters. The presence of undecided voters tends to correlate with higher unpredictability on Election Day, while the absence of them, as in this case, means that even a small lead is more likely to hold up.

Another poll from We Ask America, which is a subsidiary of the Illinois Manufacturers’ Association and often shows Republican-leaning results, had a larger lead, 12 points, for Mr. Walker. There had been no change from the firm’s prior poll, which also had Mr. Walker 12 points ahead.

Democrats have made various claims that Mr. Barrett might overperform his polls – citing, for instance, what they say is a superior turnout operation.

These claims need to be weighed against the long actuarial odds of a candidate who is down by this amount in the consensus of polls coming back to win at the last minute.

Campaigns that are down by about this margin in the polls often say that there is some dynamic that the polls are not capturing. Sometimes they are making reasonable arguments, and sometimes they are just spinning. But either way, these factors are rarely enough to allow the candidate to overcome the deficit. The exceptional cases are often remembered precisely because they are rare events.

It could be that Mr. Barrett does overperform his polls, but not by enough to win. A benchmark for a superior turnout operation is that it might typically be worth an additional two or three points – fewer than the six points by which he now trails Mr. Walker in the average of surveys.

Nor do the polls seem to be suggesting that Mr. Walker will win because of lopsided turnout. Instead, the same polls that show Mr. Walker with a six-point lead also show President Obama ahead by about the same margin in his matchup against Mitt Romney.

This suggests that it would be dubious to come to too many conclusions about what Tuesday’s outcome could mean for November. A fair number of Mr. Walker’s voters also seem prepared to vote for Mr. Obama. But this also implies that the polling results are not simply an artifact of skewed sample designs. Swing voters in Wisconsin seem to have made an affirmative choice on Mr. Walker’s behalf.

From a macroscopic view, the mechanics of why Mr. Walker is likely to prevail are not that hard to discern. The results of another recall election last August, in which Democrats succeeded in recalling two Wisconsin state senators but failed in efforts to oust four others, had served as something of a referendum on Mr. Walker. My interpretation of the results was that they implied that opinion in the state was about evenly divided on Mr. Walker at the time in terms of how it translated into actual votes.

Since then, however, Mr. Walker’s performance ratings have improved, with his approval rating exceeding his disapproval rating in most surveys. It is difficult for an incumbent to lose with a net-positive approval rating under any circumstances, and it is probably more so in the case of a recall election, when some voters might give Mr. Walker the benefit of the doubt to allow him to serve out his term. (Mr. Walker, if he wins on Tuesday, would be up for a vote again in 2014 when his original term expires.)

With that said, recall elections are rare events, and it is plausible that the true margin of error in polls of recall elections is intrinsically higher than in regular contests. The results are worth watching, but it would be a true upset if Mr. Barrett were to prevail.
Losonti Tokash wrote:The DNC hasn't really offered much concrete support. It's been the source of what you might call minor frustration among activists.
It's almost like the higher-ups in the Democratic party don't want to win. :roll:
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First-term Republican Gov. Scott Walker will win the Wisconsin recall election, CBS News estimates, beating back a labor-backed effort to unseat and again handing defeat to his Democratic challenger, 58-year-old Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett.

The recall fight, prompted by Walker's decision to strip Wisconsin public workers of their collective bargaining rights, has doubled as a proxy fight over whether Republicans can push through spending cuts and confront organized labor - and live to tell about it.

"Wisconsin has given their stamp of approval to Gov. Walker's successful reforms that balanced the budget, put people back to work, and put government back on the side of the people," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said Tuesday night.

According to the Center for Public Integrity, candidates and outside groups spent in excess of $63 million on the recall election - an enormous figure that easily breaks the previous record of $37.4 million (set in the 2010 gubernatorial contest) for spending in a Wisconsin election. According to the New York Times, Walker and his Republican allies spent $45.6 million on the race as of May 21, while Barrett and his allies have spent $17.9 million.

Turnout had been expected to exceed 2010 total, with an estimated 2.8 people expected to cast ballots. Reports emerged from Wisconsin Tuesday of robocalls informing voters, falsely, they don't have to vote if they signed the recall petition, among other attempts to depress turnout among Barrett voters using false information. The Walker campaign said in response to the reports that "any accusation that our campaign is making those calls is categorically false and unfounded."

Early CBS News exit polls found that 51 percent of voters in Wisconsin approve of how Walker has handled the issue of collective bargaining, and 52 percent approve of how he has handled job creation. Fifty percent said they approved of the recent changes to state law that limits collective bargaining for government workers, while 48 percent disapproved of these changes.

Fifty-two percent of Wisconsin voters in the early exit polls said they have a favorable view of unions for government workers -- a group that largely backed the recall -- while 43 percent have an unfavorable opinion of these unions.

The early exit polls showed Barrett winning handily among union households, while Walker dominated among Tea Party voters. While independents backed Walker over Barrett by 14 points in 2010, the two are effectively tied among independents this time around. The polls showed Walker winning with men and those making more than $50,000, and Barrett winning among women and those making less than $50,000 per year.

"I think most people are just happy to have the election over," Walker said as he cast his ballot in suburban Milwaukee Tuesday, the Associated Press reported. "I think most voters of the state want to have all the attack ads off. They want to have their TVs back. They want to have their lives back."

Walker, 44, defeated Barrett by nearly six points in the 2010 Wisconsin gubernatorial race.

Walker dominated Barrett in the money race thanks in large part to donors from outside the state. As of campaign filings released on May 29, Walker had raised $30.5 million, with about two-thirds of that total coming from donors outside Wisconsin. Barrett had raised roughly $4 million, with about one-fourth coming from outside the state. Part of the disparity can be explained by the fact that Walker, as a sitting governor facing recall, is not subject to the state's legal limits on campaign contributions under Wisconsin law. Barrett, by contrast, was legally barred from accepting contributions in excess of $10,000 per person.

The rest of the spending in the race has been from outside ideological groups. The Tea Party-linked group Americans for Prosperity alone told CBS News it has spent $10 million on the race since January 2011 on what it says is education over the positive impact of Walker's budget reform efforts.

The effort to recall Walker effectively began last February. That's when the newly-elected governor, who had defeated Barrett in the 2010 election, released a budget plan that proposed elimination of most public employee bargaining rights.

Walker had suggested during his 2010 campaign that he would close the state's $3.6 billion budget shortfall in part through cuts to public employee pensions, but he said nothing about eliminating collective bargaining rights. His announcement in February galvanized many on the left, who began chanting "Recall Walker" at the Wisconsin statehouse as part of massive protests against the plan. Wisconsin Senate Democrats even temporarily fled the state in an ultimately futile effort to keep Walker's plan from being passed.

In January, Walker's opponents submitted more than 900,000 valid signatures to the state to trigger the recall election, far more than the 540,208 needed to do so. Barrett won the Democratic primary last month, beating organized labor's preferred candidate.

Sixty percent of Wisconsin voters said in the early CBS News exit polls that recall elections are only appropriate for official misconduct. Twenty-eight percent said they think they are suitable for any reason, while nine percent think they are never appropriate.

President Obama did not campaign for Barrett, prompting grumbling from some Wisconsin Democrats and labor leaders. Among those who did was former President Bill Clinton, who said a Walker victory would prompt Republicans around the nation to conclude: "We're finally going to break every union in America. We're going to break every government in America. We're going to stop worrying about the middle class. We don't give a rip whether poor people will get to work their way into it. We've got our way now. We've got it all. Divide and conquer works."

Republicans called the race a test of whether they can push through the difficult reforms needed to deal with massive federal, state and local budget deficits.

"In order to make sure that our country doesn't go bankrupt it is very important for Scott Walker to win this election," Virginia Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli told NPR before the vote.

Mr. Obama won Wisconsin by 14 points in 2008, but the recall fight has Republicans suggesting it may be within reach for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. The early exit polls found that Mr. Obama led Romney 51 percent to 45 percent among voters in the recall election.

In the exit polls, 53 percent of Barrett's supporters say their vote today was mainly for their candidate, while 45 percent say it was against his opponents. Among Walker's supporters, about nine in 10 describe their vote as mainly for Walker -- only 8 percent say their vote was mainly against his opponents.

While Republicans held a major advantage on the airwaves thanks to the massive spending by Walker and his backers, Democrats had a big advantage in organization on the ground, thanks in part to a get-out-the-vote effort backed by organized labor. Walker's victory suggests that the newly-legal unlimited spending by super PACs and other outside groups - which was unleashed by a pair of recent Supreme Court decisions, including Citizens United - can overcome the ground game Democrats have steadily built up around the nation in recent years.

A loss would have effectively ended Walker's political career. His victory will elevate him to superstar status among conservatives and likely prompt talk of a presidential run. It also feeds the notion that the influence of organized labor - which made the governor's defeat a top priority - continues to wane.

While the national discussion of the race has been focused on Walker's controversial budget proposal, the fight between the two candidates has also been about unrelated issues. Walker has run ads against Barrett attacking him over what the Walker campaign says is an increase in violent crime in Milwaukee, while Wisconsin Democrats have attacked Walker with claims that he may be the target of a secret federal and state corruption investigation.

Also facing recall on Tuesday were the state's Republican lieutenant governor, Rebecca Kleefisch, and four Republican state senators. If Democrats successfully recall one of the GOP state senators, they will win a majority in the Wisconsin Senate and be able to block Walker's agenda even if he remains in office.
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Unbelievable. People are just so self destructive in this country.
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Block wrote:Unbelievable. People are just so self destructive in this country.
You do realize that the people in Wisconsin that their unemployment is one of the lowest in the country at around 6%. As far as many of them can tell voting Walker out would be self destructive.
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Phantasee wrote:
Highlord Laan wrote:
Aasharu wrote:I can confirm that; I got such a call. Got an email shortly after from the Barrett campaign about how it was a lie.
Another fun one is more common. Having the polls open after the workday starts and close just before it ends. Keeps all us dammed ignorant socialist young voters at work so our wiser retired betters can make sure things get done right.
Man where the fuck does this even happen? :roll:
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Highlord Laan wrote:
Phantasee wrote:
Highlord Laan wrote:Another fun one is more common. Having the polls open after the workday starts and close just before it ends. Keeps all us dammed ignorant socialist young voters at work so our wiser retired betters can make sure things get done right.
Man where the fuck does this even happen? :roll:
Happens in my town quite often.
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Re: Wisconsin recall election, today is the day.

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Phantasee wrote: Want to back it up?
You know you can Google this information right?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/S ... ?format=gc
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Re: Wisconsin recall election, today is the day.

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General Zod wrote:
Phantasee wrote: Want to back it up?
You know you can Google this information right?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/S ... ?format=gc

You link says:
State Poll Opening and Closing Times (2012)http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G12/closing.phtml
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Re: Wisconsin recall election, today is the day.

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Andras wrote:
General Zod wrote:
Phantasee wrote: Want to back it up?
You know you can Google this information right?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/S ... ?format=gc

You link says:
State Poll Opening and Closing Times (2012)http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G12/closing.phtml
There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.
Whoops. Not sure how that happened. http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/S ... %282012%29
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Re: Wisconsin recall election, today is the day.

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A quick scroll does not reveal any states that have balloting times that open and close within normal business hours. Some small towns in ME can open as late as 10am, but they are open until 8pm.
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