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At Least 7 Dead in Shooting at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin
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By STEVEN YACCINO and MARC SANTORA

OAK CREEK, Wis. — In what police called an act of domestic terrorism, a gunman opened fire in a Sikh temple here on Sunday, killing at least six and injuring three others before being shot and killed in the parking lot.

The rampage ended in a shootout with police. The gunman ambushed one of first officers arriving at the temple, shooting him several times, before he was killed by another officer, the authorities said Sunday afternoon. The officer remained in critical condition at a nearby hospital, along with the other two shooting victims.

The police did not release any details about the gunman or a possible motive for the shooting.

John Edwards, the police chief in Oak Creek, said at a news conference that the F.B.I. would lead the investigation because the shootings are being treated as an act of domestic terrorism.

The rampage began about 10:30 a.m. at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, just south of Milwaukee, officials said. The sprawling 17,000 square-foot temple was crowded with men, women and children taking part in Sunday services when the gunman opened fire.

Witnesses described a scene of chaos and carnage. Some women who were cooking food for a later service hid together in closets, while others fled. Men grabbed children, finding cover wherever they could.

Jatindev Mangat, whose uncle, Satwant Kaleka, is the temple president, said he tried to call his uncle as soon as he heard about the shooting. It was not his uncle who answered the phone, but the head priest of the temple.

“He was crying, everyone was screaming,” Mr. Mangat said. The gunman was still stalking the hallways and the priest could hear nearby shots, Mr. Mangat said. The priest said he was hiding in the bathroom with four other people, including two children.

By early afternoon, tactical officers had swept the building and determined that there were no other gunmen.

At a news conference, Mr. Edwards described a dramatic scene when officers arrived soon after the first 911 call. The gunman ambushed the first officer who arrived, Mr. Edwards said, severely injuring him. At that point, another police exchanged fire with the gunman, bringing him down.

Bradley Wentlandt, the chief of police in nearby Greenfield, told journalists that the injured officer was a 20-year veteran whose heroism probably saved many lives.

“That officer was shot multiple times,” Mr. Wentlandt said.

He said four bodies were found inside the temple and three were outside, including that of the gunman.

Three men suffering from gunshot wounds were admitted to Froedtert Hospital, the Milwaukee region’s main trauma center, said Nalissa Wienke, a spokeswoman for the hospital. One victim was shot in the head and extremities and another in the abdomen. The third was described as having neck injuries.

There were initially conflicting reports about whether there was more than one gunman and whether hostages had been taken inside the temple. Local news agencies, citing text messages from people inside have reported that two or more gunmen could have been involved, but the authorities said later that a single gunman was believed responsible.

“The best information is that there was only one gunman,” Mr. Edwards said a news conference.

The Sikh community around the country has seen an increase in bias attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, with its members often confused for Muslims. In fact, the Sikh religion does not have its roots in the Middle East but in Punjab, India. Many faithful often let their beards grow long and, in keeping with their faith, wear turbans.

In April, Representative Joseph Crowley, Democrat of New York and co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on Indian and Indian Americans, sent a letter to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. urging the collection of data on hate-crimes committed against Sikh-Americans.

In the last year alone, Mr. Crowley said in the letter, two Sikh men in Sacramento were murdered, a Sikh temple in Michigan was vandalized and a Sikh man was beaten in New York.

“The more information our law enforcement agencies have on violence against Sikh-Americans, the more they can do to help prevent these crimes and bring those who commit them to justice,” Mr. Crowley said at the time.

There are around 314,000 Sikhs living in an America, according to Association of Religion Data Archives. The temple in Oak Creek, one of two large congregations in the Milwaukee area, was founded in 1997 and has around 400 worshipers.

The shooting came about two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people and wounded nearly 60 in a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

Both President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, released statements expressing outrage and sorrow.

“Michelle and I were deeply saddened to learn of the shooting that tragically took so many lives in Wisconsin,” the president said. “At this difficult time, the people of Oak Creek must know that the American people have them in our thoughts and prayers, and our hearts go out to the families and friends of those who were killed and wounded.”

The Indian ambassador in Washington also issued a statement, praising the Sikh community and calling them “patriotic, law-abiding, industrious generous and giving.”

In response to the shooting, the police in New York said that security was being increased at Sikh temples in the city. “There is no known threat against Sikh temples in New York City, however, the coverage is being put in place out of an abundance of caution,” the New York police said in a statement.

Outside the temple here in Oak Creek, friends and relatives were struggling to understand what happened, with many in the close-knit community having reached out to friends and family who were in the temple when the violence broke out.

Harpreet Singh, a nephew of the temple president, said his aunt, the president’s wife, was in the kitchen with other women preparing food for the day’s worship services when they heard gunshots go off.

“She said they heard a bang, bang, bang,” said Mr. Singh, 36, in a telephone interview from the basement of a bowling alley across the street from the temple, where police and F.B.I. agents were interviewing survivors.

Mr. Singh, recounting the incident as told to him by his aunt, Satpal Kaleka, said the women hid in a nearby pantry.

The women escaped, he said, witnessing the gunmen’s carnage along the way.

Mr. Singh was on his way to the temple for services with his wife, two children and his parents when police stopped them outside the parking lot.

“There were police cars running into the complex,” he said. “A couple of weeks ago some kid had set off a fire alarm so we thought something like that had happened.”

People began gathering at the temple on Sunday’s as early as 6:30 a.m. but most people begin around 10:30 or 11 for services and activities that go on until 3 or 4 p.m., Mr. Singh said.

He believed about 30 to 35 people were inside when the shooting began.

Had the gunman arrived just 15 minutes later, Mr. Singh said, there would have been 100 to 150 people inside. By 1:30 p.m., more than 300 people would have been there.

Survivors and their family members huddled in grief and confusion inside the bowling alley late Sunday afternoon, trying to sort out facts and law enforcement officials interviewed them. Mr. Singh said he was not aware of the temple receiving any threats.

“This is a very peaceful neighborhood,” he said. “It’s one of the safest areas of Milwaukee.” He said many of the temple’s members live within a mile of the complex.

Mr. Singh said he and his family would have been in the temple that morning, where his children attend Punjabi language classes on Sunday mornings, but they had trouble getting their 7-year-old daughter and 5-year-old son out of bed.



Steven Yaccino reported from Oak Creek, Wis., and Marc Santora from New York. Michael Schwirtz contributed from New York.
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I'm just going to guess here and say that this is probably slightly more racially motivated than the Colorado shootings given it was a white guy attacking a temple full of brown people. I've always found it interesting though how anyone could possibly dislike the Sikh given that their religion shares a lot of traits with humanism and is about as benign as any I can imagine.

What's really weird is that you'd think that a person who bothered to actually GO TO a temple full of Sikh would be aware of what they stood for. I remember after 9/11 there was a random killing of a Sikh or two because of ignorance but can someone really be ignorant enough to go to a temple and shoot up a bunch of people without having a reason to do it besides ignorance?
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The Kernel wrote:I'm just going to guess here and say that this is probably slightly more racially motivated than the Colorado shootings given it was a white guy attacking a temple full of brown people. I've always found it interesting though how anyone could possibly dislike the Sikh given that their religion shares a lot of traits with humanism and is about as benign as any I can imagine.

What's really weird is that you'd think that a person who bothered to actually GO TO a temple full of Sikh would be aware of what they stood for. I remember after 9/11 there was a random killing of a Sikh or two because of ignorance but can someone really be ignorant enough to go to a temple and shoot up a bunch of people without having a reason to do it besides ignorance?
Sadly its quite possible considering that the Sikhs are known for wearing turbans around thus confusing them with teh EVOL MOSLEMS (tm).
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I don't recall any information in the article on the shooter's race, though I could have missed something. Nor do I recall hearing he was white anywhere else. What makes you say it was a white man?
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I don't recall any information in the article on the shooter's race, though I could have missed something. Nor do I recall hearing he was white anywhere else. What makes you say it was a white man?
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Thank you.

Its probably motivated by racism and/or religious bigotry.
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General Mung Beans wrote: Sadly its quite possible considering that the Sikhs are known for wearing turbans around thus confusing them with teh EVOL MOSLEMS (tm).
Possible and likely, hundreds of attacks on Sikh have been recorded in the last decade in the US, including a couple murders right after September 11th and pretty much all of them were attributed to idiots thinking they were Muslim. On the other hand the Sikh also did have some strong links with terrorism in the past thanks to Sikh nationalists thinking they'd get a country by blowing up airliners and trains. They still do from time to time. But yeah, nobody in the US is going after them for that.
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Do Muslims get attacked at a similar rate?
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Get ready for two weeks of arguing over whether this constitutes domestic terrorism and whether the Aurora shooting was terrorism, and how race might play into it and how this might affect the election.
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The authorities have declared it domestic terrorism so the FBI could work on it.
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The Kernel wrote:I'm just going to guess here and say that this is probably slightly more racially motivated than the Colorado shootings given it was a white guy attacking a temple full of brown people. I've always found it interesting though how anyone could possibly dislike the Sikh given that their religion shares a lot of traits with humanism and is about as benign as any I can imagine.

What's really weird is that you'd think that a person who bothered to actually GO TO a temple full of Sikh would be aware of what they stood for. I remember after 9/11 there was a random killing of a Sikh or two because of ignorance but can someone really be ignorant enough to go to a temple and shoot up a bunch of people without having a reason to do it besides ignorance?
I wouldn't surprise me in the least if it simply came down to sheer ignorance and uninformed views of the shooter. I seriously doubt the shooter would have ever cared to make such a distinction between Muslim, Sikh or anyone one else who appears to be similarly-dressed. If you think members of the general public who dislike foreigners know what makes a Sikh and Sikh and not a Muslim, you are giving them far too much credit.

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There's a reason I always remember this scene when I hear racists open their mouths.

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And what do you know, looks like the most obvious motive is the correct one.

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CNN wrote:Yet witnesses have described the shooter as a bald white man, standing about 6 feet tall, wearing black pants and a white T-shirt -- with a tattoo marking the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States visible on one of his arms -- said Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka, a temple member who worked with police as an interpreter, talking to witnesses after the attack.
I feel sick--this is exactly the sort of thing that makes us Americans look like a bunch of backwards rednecks.
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But thanks to Fox there are a LOT of backwood rednecks, who think that all people with a darker skin tone than Elric of Melnibone are evil terrorists...
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For what it's worth, info on the shooter. Ex-Army, but it seems he was discharged pre-2001.

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OAK CREEK, Wis. — Officials on Monday identified the gunman they say killed six people inside a Sikh temple in Wisconsin as a 40-year-old Army veteran.
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First Assistant U.S. Greg Haanstad in the U.S. Attorney’s office in Milwaukee identified the shooter, who was shot and killed by police outside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, as Wade Michael Page. The ex-Army man was reduced in rank before his discharge about 12 years ago, according to a defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release information yet about the suspect.
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The official told The Associated Press Page that Page entered the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998. The official said the man had been busted in rank from sergeant to specialist, but gave no reason.
When the gunfire at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee ended Sunday, seven people lay dead, including the gunman, and three others were critically wounded in what police called an act of domestic terrorism.
Satpal Kaleka, wife of the temple’s president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was in the front room and saw the gunman enter the temple, according to Harpreet Singh, their nephew.
“He did not speak, he just began shooting,” said Singh, relaying a description of the attack from Satpal Kaleka.
Kaleka said the 6-foot-tall bald white man – who worshippers said they had never before seen at the temple – seemed like he had a purpose and knew where he was going.
Authorities have not provided further details about Page nor suggested a possible motive, including whether he specifically targeted the Sikh temple.
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He's said to have been a white supremacist.

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OAK CREEK, Wis.—The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin before he was shot to death by police was identified Monday as a 40-year-old Army veteran and former leader of a white supremacist metal band

First Assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Haanstad in Milwaukee identified the shooter as Wade Michael Page. Page joined the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998, according to a defense official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release information yet about the suspect.

Officials and witnesses said the gunman walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee and opened fire as several dozen people prepared for Sunday services. When the shooting ended, seven people lay dead, including Page. Three others were critically wounded in what police called an act of domestic terrorism.

Page was a "frustrated neo-Nazi" who led a racist white supremacist band, the Southern Poverty Law Center said Monday. Page told a white supremacist website in an interview in 2010 that he had been part of the white-power music scene since 2000 when he left his native Colorado and started the band, End Apathy, in 2005, the nonprofit civil rights organization said.

He told the website his "inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole," according to the SPLC. He did not mention violence in the website interview.

End Apathy's biography on the band's MySpace page said it began in 2005 and was based in Nashville, N.C. It said their music "is a sad commentary on our sick society and the problems that prevent true progress."

Joseph Rackley of Nashville, N.C., told the AP on Monday that Page lived with his son for about six months last year in a house on Rackley's three acres of property. Wade was bald and had tattoos all over his arms, Rackley said, but he doesn't remember what they depicted. He said he wasn't aware of any ties Page may have had to white supremacists.

"I'm not a nosy kind of guy," Rackley said. "When he stayed with my son, I don't even know if Wade played music. But my son plays alternative music and periodically I'd have to call them because I could hear more than I wanted to hear."

Page joined the military in Milwaukee in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become one of the Army's psychological operations specialists, according to the defense official.

So-called "Psy-Ops" specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for information and psychological effect; they research and analyze methods of influencing foreign populations.

Fort Bragg, N.C., was among the bases where Page served.

Police in the temple's hometown of Oak Creek, Wis., planned to release more information about their investigation Monday. Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said the FBI was leading the investigation because the shootings are being treated as domestic terrorism, or an attack that originated inside the U.S.

Satpal Kaleka, wife of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was in the front room and saw the gunman enter the temple, according to Harpreet Singh, their nephew.

"He did not speak, he just began shooting," said Singh, relaying a description of the attack from Satpal Kaleka.

Kaleka said the 6-foot-tall bald white man -- who worshippers said they had never before seen at the temple -- seemed like he had a purpose and knew where he was going.

"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra, 48, of Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding as the gunman fired in the temple's kitchen. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."

Late Sunday, the investigation moved beyond the temple as police, federal agents and the county sheriff's bomb squad swarmed a neighborhood in nearby Cudahy, evacuated several homes and searched a duplex. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent Tom Ahern said warrants were being served at the gunman's home. Residents were allowed to return to their homes Monday.

During a chaotic few hours after the first shots were fired around 10:30 a.m., police in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles surrounded the temple with armored vehicles and ambulances. Witnesses struggled with unrealized fears that several shooters were holding women and children hostage inside.

Edwards said the gunman "ambushed" one of the first officers to arrive at the temple as the officer, a 20-year veteran with tactical experience, tended to a victim outside. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect, who was fatally shot. Police had earlier said the officer who was shot killed the suspected shooter.

The wounded officer was in critical condition along with two other victims early Monday, authorities said.

Tactical units went through the temple and found four people dead inside and two outside, in addition to the shooter.

Jatinder Mangat, 38, of Racine, a nephew of the temple's president, said when he learned that people had died, "it was like the heart just sat down."

Balginder Khattra of Oak Creek, said Monday that his 84-year-old father, Suveg Singh Khattra, was among the six people police said were killed. Khattra says his father didn't speak English but loved living in America.

Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans -- which are considered sacred -- and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.

The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.

Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs are not Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.

The shootings also came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
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We actually don't know if Mr. Gunman thought the Sikhs were some variation of Muslim or if he just wanted to shoot brown people (US sikhs are pretty non-violent so if you want to go in guns blazing with minimal chance of your victims shooting back they're definitely a choice for that). White supremacists won't regard sikhs as much better than any other non-white group.
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Broomstick wrote:We actually don't know if Mr. Gunman thought the Sikhs were some variation of Muslim or if he just wanted to shoot brown people (US sikhs are pretty non-violent so if you want to go in guns blazing with minimal chance of your victims shooting back they're definitely a choice for that). White supremacists won't regard sikhs as much better than any other non-white group.
true enough but I wouldn't be supriced if a white supremist would think that all "dirty arabs" must always wear the stereotypical muslim garb even in USA, I also wouldn't be supriced if they couldn't make the distinction between arabs (ethnic group) and muslim (religious group), even though we know that not all arabs are muslims or vise verse.
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Lord Revan wrote:true enough but I wouldn't be supriced if a white supremist would think that all "dirty arabs" must always wear the stereotypical muslim garb even in USA, I also wouldn't be supriced if they couldn't make the distinction between arabs (ethnic group) and muslim (religious group), even though we know that not all arabs are muslims or vise verse.
"Couldn't make the distinction"? You are thinking about it too hard. People like this Neo-Nazi do not care to make such a distinction. There is no distinction. He may have done some checking out of the place to get its layout beforehand to see if he could pull this off, but I bet that was the extent of his forethought. Assuming he didn't plan to die in the process to begin with. For all we know he picked out this place because it was the easiest kind of place to get into without attracting much attention before starting his rampage against the kind of people he hated: non-whites. Indians, Arabs, I doubt those details mattered much.
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The retarded thing is that even the 19th century racialists who invented race theory in the first place would consider Punjabis to be white -- they are ethnically, physically, and linguistically Indo-European in every sense and usually aren't darker than some stupid person who is obsessed with tanning.
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You're being rational again, Marina. That doesn't work with an irrational subject like current white supremacy "theory".
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Re: 7 Dead in Shooting at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

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Lord Revan wrote:true enough but I wouldn't be supriced if a white supremist would think that all "dirty arabs" must always wear the stereotypical muslim garb even in USA, I also wouldn't be supriced if they couldn't make the distinction between arabs (ethnic group) and muslim (religious group), even though we know that not all arabs are muslims or vise verse.
I had a social studies teacher who couldn't make this distinction even after I attempted to explain it to her and this is out in Jersey New York area.
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Re: 7 Dead in Shooting at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The retarded thing is that even the 19th century racialists who invented race theory in the first place would consider Punjabis to be white -- they are ethnically, physically, and linguistically Indo-European in every sense and usually aren't darker than some stupid person who is obsessed with tanning.
FWIW, a lot of the Muslims in the areas we've been involved in (such as Kurdish areas in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan) also speak Indo-European languages and look "white".
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Re: 7 Dead in Shooting at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

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General Mung Beans wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The retarded thing is that even the 19th century racialists who invented race theory in the first place would consider Punjabis to be white -- they are ethnically, physically, and linguistically Indo-European in every sense and usually aren't darker than some stupid person who is obsessed with tanning.
FWIW, a lot of the Muslims in the areas we've been involved in (such as Kurdish areas in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan) also speak Indo-European languages and look "white".
true but you really expect rationality from people who really are nothing but school bullies grown up, oh and I meant the white supremist ofc not Duchess
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