UKIP Candidate Endorses Aktion T4: UK Edition

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The Guardian

The UK Independence party has suspended one of its election candidates who suggested that mothers carrying foetuses with Downs syndrome or spina bifida should be forced to have abortions to avoid the child being "a burden on the state as well as on the family".

Ukip had initially backed Geoffrey Clark, saying that members held "a range of views and opinions" that were not party policy and adding that while it disagreed with his comments, they were contained in a "personal manifesto".

But following a backlash, the party performed a u-turn and said in a later statement the views of the would-be Kent county councillor were "abhorrent" and that he would not be standing for the party again.

"Ukip reject the abhorrent views expressed in the personal manifesto of Mr Geoffrey Clark, a candidate in the local elections," said a spokesman who said that Ukip wanted to apologise to anyone who has suffered distress as a result of this matter. .

"The party was not aware of these views when it allowed him to stand under our name."

Clark – who is seeking seats on Kent county council and Gravesham council in a byelection later this month, as well as to Ukip's national executive – said in a self-styled "personal manifesto" on his own website that there should be a review into various drastic measures to reduce spending on the NHS, such as "giving free euthanasia advice to all folk over 80 years of age".

Among the ideas listed for discussion by Clark, who is also contesting a Gravesham borough council by-election on Thursday, was "compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, spina bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family".

In a "clarification to avoid confusion and misrepresentation" on the website, the 66-year-old chartered accountant stressed that neither he nor Ukip specifically endorsed the ideas, adding: "They are suggestions of matters for the review body to properly consider, in light of the stated desire of all political parties to reduce the national debt."

The manifesto was condemned by Mencap, which campaigns for people with learning disabilities. Mark Goldring, the charity's chief executive, said Mencap was "disgusted and horrified". He continued: "Much has been written about the Paralympics this summer changing attitudes towards disabled people for the better. Yet in the very same year, a council candidate has proposed forced eugenics against disabled people.

"It is abhorrent that Geoffrey Clark sees disabled people solely as a burden, when people with a learning disability lead full lives, and make valuable contributions to their communities and families. We question if he is fit for public office."

Clark's manifesto contains a number of other ideas that will raise eyebrows among Ukip hierarchy as the party attempts to enter the mainstream and shed its image as, in David Cameron's now revoked words, "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists".

On immigration he calls for the immediate deportation of "riff-raff" elements, demands the revision of passages of the Qura'n and quotes seven verses of a self-penned poem about defending British culture titled, We Must Turn The Tide, And Then Advance.

Clark told the Guardian that he did not support the forced abortion idea but did want to create a debate on how the NHS could be financed in the future. He said: "Those are suggestions for a review body to consider when they look into whether the NHS is affordable in the future. I do tend to provoke thought by throwing out ideas. I do like to be provocative.

"But they're not necessarily my views. I'm throwing out matters for the review body to consider. I'm not qualified to consider them. Therefore they are not my views, as I don't have the qualification to hold those views."

Clark said he apologised for any offence. Asked if he regretted raising the idea he said: "I regret articulating it in the way I have, and I'm going to rewrite it."

Clarke said he knew one person with Downs syndrome and thought he knew one person with spina bifida. Neither were a burden on their families or the state, he said.

For those not familiar with it: Aktion T4.

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What? Representative of fervently anti-foreigner political party is secretly massive twat?

Who could have seen that coming.

I mean I know UKIP's platform is basically "we're not really the BNP", but very few people are actually fooled by this. Changing your approach from "We hate brown people (and europe)" to "We hate europe (and brown people)" is not much of a disguise.

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I mean I know UKIP's platform is basically "we're not really the BNP", but very few people are actually fooled by this. Changing your approach from "We hate brown people (and europe)" to "We hate europe (and brown people)" is not much of a disguise.

The two are not obviously related. Europe is full of white people; in fact it remains the whitest area of the planet with the possible exception of Argentina. While the EU does not base its desired borders explicitly in race it does base them in shared culture which ultimately coincides with race. The EU supports free movement within this overwhelmingly white area and restricted immigration with the outside. This is similar to Britain's previous free migration policy with the racially diverse Commonwealth.

In fact the British fascist movement led by Oswald Mosley turned to pan-Europeanism combined with racial migration restrictions immediately after the war.

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Um... would that be the same free migration policy that was restricted to people at least one British grandparent from the 80s onwards, unless you were from majority-white Gibraltar and the Falklands?

And since when has racism only been about skin-colour anyway? Being Polish is damn near as bad as being black as far as most people I know are concerned.

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I mean I know UKIP's platform is basically "we're not really the BNP", but very few people are actually fooled by this. Changing your approach from "We hate brown people (and europe)" to "We hate europe (and brown people)" is not much of a disguise.

The two are not obviously related. Europe is full of white people; in fact it remains the whitest area of the planet with the possible exception of Argentina. While the EU does not base its desired borders explicitly in race it does base them in shared culture which ultimately coincides with race. The EU supports free movement within this overwhelmingly white area and restricted immigration with the outside. This is similar to Britain's previous free migration policy with the racially diverse Commonwealth.

In fact the British fascist movement led by Oswald Mosley turned to pan-Europeanism combined with racial migration restrictions immediately after the war.

I'm sorry but you are missing the racist angle being that brownish for brits starts in france. And where racism is involved it doesn't necessarily bring intelligent discourse with it. Such that racist Russians consider themselves more white than continental europeans, etc. There was some hilarity when the different nationalist parties in the EU tried to organize themselves in the parlament, it pretty much resolved into namecalling where racist fucks from everywhere where namecalling racist fucks from somewhere else.
So you'd be A wrong and B totally wrong.
There is a clear skintone difference between different eurpoean countries, there is also clear differences in appearance of eyes, cheekbones, noses and build between different european regions. This is used by racist fucks everywhere to claim that those other than the current 'us' are clearly a 'them over there'.

Then if you go by skintone alone there are regions in asia that are lighter than specific regions in europe.

And the two are related through tribalism, its very common for tribalistic cultures not only to have a those of differnt skintone/appearance but also a dislike for other tribes.
The pan-european racist shit only works when its going to eachother's parties and getting drunk together, not when it comes to organizing and cooperation between different nationalists/neonazis. They simply can't handle it.

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The two are not obviously related. Europe is full of white people; in fact it remains the whitest area of the planet with the possible exception of Argentina. While the EU does not base its desired borders explicitly in race it does base them in shared culture which ultimately coincides with race. The EU supports free movement within this overwhelmingly white area and restricted immigration with the outside. This is similar to Britain's previous free migration policy with the racially diverse Commonwealth.

In fact the British fascist movement led by Oswald Mosley turned to pan-Europeanism combined with racial migration restrictions immediately after the war.

However, British* Nationalism, as displayed by both the BNP and UKIP, is overwhelmingly pro-white british and anti-european. Europeans are foreign and therefore bad, and any non-white British people are regarded as not British enough.

The BNP is a direct descendant of the National Front, an explicitly far right racist organisation (so much so that police and armed services members are forbidden from being members of it), and whilst UKIP started out as a specifically anti-europe party it courts and attracts many of the same people, largely with the same populist arguments. (the same as are used in the US, where "Immigrant" is a codeword for "Hispanic immigrant, probably illegal", and isn't applied to white immigrants, especially if they have the good taste to speak English.)

UKIP may pretend not to be racist scumfucks, but the veneer is thin and easily discerned.


* For which actually read English Nationalism, because Scottish, Welsh, and Irish nationalism are their own things. This is why there isn't a strong internal English nationalist movement to counter those of the other home countries, because it was hijacked by racists and twats.

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For which actually read English Nationalism, because Scottish, Welsh, and Irish nationalism are their own things. This is why there isn't a strong internal English nationalist movement to counter those of the other home countries, because it was hijacked by racists and twats.

I'm not entirely convinced that anyone but racists and twats really bought into it in the first place, because there's never really been a strong, unified cultural identity for all of England. I mean, how much culture do you think you've got in common with me, who was born and raised in a Northamptonshire suburb to a family full of Tories?