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I've always found it interesting just how self-pitying these people are. I believe that these people, and others like them, have a victimhood complex: after all, if you're a victim, then you must be in the right.

Tea Party Event On Racial Tolerance Turns To Chaos As White Supremacists Arrive | TPMDC
A CPAC session sponsored by Tea Party Patriots and billed as a primer on teaching activists how to court black voters devolved into a shouting match as some attendees demanded justice for white voters and others shouted down a black woman who reacted in horror.

The session was led by K. Carl Smith, a black conservative who primarily urged attendees to deflect racism charges by calling themselves “Frederick Douglass Republicans.”

Disruptions began when he began accusing Democrats of being the party of the Confederacy — a common talking point on the right.

“I don’t care how much the KKK improved,” he said. “I’m not going to join the KKK. The Democratic Party founded the KKK.”

Lines like that drew shouts of praise from some attendees and murmurs of disapproval from one non-conservative black attendee, Kim Brown, a radio host and producer with Voice of Russia, a broadcasting service of the Russian government.

But then questions and answers began. And things went off the rails.

Scott Terry of North Carolina, accompanied by a Confederate-flag-clad attendee, Matthew Heimbach, rose to say he took offense to the event’s take on slavery. (Heimbach founded the White Students Union at Towson University and is described as a “white nationalist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

“It seems to be that you’re reaching out to voters at the expense of young white Southern males,” Terry said, adding he “came to love my people and culture” who were “being systematically disenfranchised.”

Smith responded that Douglass forgave his slavemaster.

“For giving him food? And shelter” Terry said.


At this point the event devolved into a mess of shouting. Organizers calmed things down by asking everyone to “take the debate outside after the presentation.”

Brown, who took offense at the suggestion modern Democrats were descendants of the KKK, tried to ask a question later once things finally calmed down. She was booed and screamed at by audience members.

“Let someone else speak!” one attendee in Revolutionary War garb shouted.

“You’re not welcome!” a white-haired older woman yelled.

Eventually she asked a question. It was about whether Republicans should call out racist ads.

Attendees interviewed by TPM afterwards expressed outrage at the way the event turned out. Not at the Terry and Heimbach — they were mad at Brown for her interruptions.
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Well, what can you expect? With the people involved, none of this surprises.

Though I do love the fact that you can easily imagine the conference was in full costume, seeing as how we've got the "Confederate-flag-clad attendee" and "attendee in Revolutionary War garb". If only more people found it appropriate to dress up for political events, it'd be so much more interesting.
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How easy is it for someone to get into one of these conferences?
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General Mung Beans wrote:How easy is it for someone to get into one of these conferences?
Both very easy and very hard. The hard part is knowing a well known and established conservative or formal conservative group. If you know said group it's easy because CPAC gives wide latitude to how many people each big name or group can bring.

If you tried to buy tickets or showed up at the door you would be turned away. But know someone already going and they can simply ask for a guest pass for you. Each person is limited on how many guests they can bring in. However lots of people bring in folks with them. And something as simple as knowing your local state chairman (Easy in Georgia or California hard in Texas or New York state) can get you in.

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Mr Bean wrote: If you tried to buy tickets or showed up at the door you would be turned away. But know someone already going and they can simply ask for a guest pass for you. Each person is limited on how many guests they can bring in. However lots of people bring in folks with them. And something as simple as knowing your local state chairman (Easy in Georgia or California hard in Texas or New York state) can get you in.
Is there a specific reason it is easier to know your local state chairman in California than it is in Texas/New York?
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Any chance that this Terry person could be a troll?
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Pelranius wrote:Any chance that this Terry person could be a troll?
He's at CPAC yelling at dem niggers!, of course he's a troll.
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Lord Relvenous wrote: Is there a specific reason it is easier to know your local state chairman in California than it is in Texas/New York?
Quality of the local party. The chairman of the Texas Republican Party is Tex Richoilman (Actually Texas is Steve Munisteri) while California party is lead by Ronald Mcloseselections (Jim Brulte to be exact). The point is if you want to go talk to Steve Munisteri you have to get an appointment and chances are going through three or four people. But Jim Brulte you can roll up to his house and knock on his door since he's not a multi-millionare.

The more population republican friendly states get more powerful party officers who tend to also to be more powerful in additional forms of power besides political. There are some states (Like Georgia) where getting a meeting with the chairman of the state party is as simple as showing up at Sue P. Everhart church and asking. Which is why it's easier to know the chairman of the Georgia party and get a ticket to CPAC than it is to get to know Steve Munisteri who can buy and sell your butt a dozen times over and sue you for getting your filthy peasant hands near his person.

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Yeah, from what I understand this was not the only racial incident at the conference. A black man tried discussing race at one of the booths and ended getting screamed at by a white guy who believed race doesn't matter.
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Pelranius wrote:Any chance that this Terry person could be a troll?
Apparently he has a website. He appears to a be a genuine far right racist/fundie lunatic.
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Couple of points of clarification:
1) Was this a Republican party members-only event or could any random fucknut just walk in off the street?
2) If it was a Republicans-only event, how the hell did this guy get admitted to the party? I mean, do they tacitly agree with him or are they just too lazy to have an intern Google the name at the top of each application form?
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Zaune wrote:Couple of points of clarification:
1) Was this a Republican party members-only event or could any random fucknut just walk in off the street?
2) If it was a Republicans-only event, how the hell did this guy get admitted to the party? I mean, do they tacitly agree with him or are they just too lazy to have an intern Google the name at the top of each application form?
Well, going by Mr Bean:
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General Mung Beans wrote:How easy is it for someone to get into one of these conferences?
Both very easy and very hard. The hard part is knowing a well known and established conservative or formal conservative group. If you know said group it's easy because CPAC gives wide latitude to how many people each big name or group can bring.

If you tried to buy tickets or showed up at the door you would be turned away. But know someone already going and they can simply ask for a guest pass for you. Each person is limited on how many guests they can bring in. However lots of people bring in folks with them. And something as simple as knowing your local state chairman (Easy in Georgia or California hard in Texas or New York state) can get you in.
So there's no reason why a non-Republican couldn't get in if they're buddies with someone who can issue invites.

Ad given that the Republicans in general and the Tea Party in particular are afflicted with endemic racism, there never was a realistic chance of keeping racists out; for that matter, I'd expect them to be the majority of the people there. They just screwed up by letting in somebody who wasn't willing to soft-pedal it in public. I expect that most of them agree with him or are even worse; they just wouldn't have been stupid enough to blurt out their racism in such a blatantly public fashion.
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Yeah, end result is that these are the kind of people the Tea Party attracts. The danger of the Tea Party will remain low as long as most of the public is aware of this as well. The more moderate members of the Tea Party began to evacuate the party after it's many gaffs and PR quagmires. Their is no way to make a bunch like the Tea Party more moderate from within. They're a reactionary party that only becomes more reactionary with each failure and setback. Pushing away more and more people who might have shown interest in associating with them.
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Zaune wrote:2) If it was a Republicans-only event, how the hell did this guy get admitted to the party? I mean, do they tacitly agree with him or are they just too lazy to have an intern Google the name at the top of each application form?
Pretty much anyone can officially enroll for the Republican or Democratic party without any barriers whatsoever. In the end both parties are more concerned with getting votes, any votes, and thus don't want to add any difficulty to the process.
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Scott Terry of North Carolina, accompanied by a Confederate-flag-clad attendee, Matthew Heimbach, rose to say he took offense to the event’s take on slavery. (Heimbach founded the White Students Union at Towson University and is described as a “white nationalist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)
ahhh....these people......
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Scott Terry seems to be affiliated with these bunch of reactionary morons straight out of 1860: http://faithandheritage.com/2013/03/sco ... dlessness/
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Wow that site is hilarious in it's misunderstanding of US history, religion and as far as I can see anything in their 'race' box. I'm especially taken with the revised Declaration of Independence that calls abortion 'a program of ethnocide,' mentions God or the Bible every other sentence and lists as grievances against the federal government both that it has instituted a polytheistic state religion, and that it is attempting to create a godless people through it's liberal education. The attempt to mimic the language and tone of the original is particularly grating. I may have to print it to show to history students sometime.

That said, the defense of slavery in "the War Between the States" is particularly sickening.
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Look, Arry, the Founders are all nice and cool and we appeal to their authority, but if they'd rather spit on our faces, then by god we'll rewrite their shit.

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Yeah, this specific shit is so hilarious it really needs to be shared.
faithandheritage.com wrote:When, in the Course of God’s Providence, it becomes necessary for His People to cast off the unrighteous Political Shackles which have been foisted upon them, and to install again, among the Powers of the Earth, Governments that are reflective of the Kingship of Christ, thus taking to themselves, for God’s Glory, the separate and equal Station which the Law of God requires of them, a decent respect to the Curiosities of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to pursue Reform.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident to a right-minded and God-fearing people, that all Men are created equal, but only as before God’s Law, that they are endowed by their Creator — the God of the Bible — with certain unalienable Duties, that among these are the Protection of Life, the Securing of Liberty and the Protection of Property. — That to secure these Duties, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed as they submit to God’s Law, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Duty of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such Principles and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to reflect God’s Character, and thus to effect the Glory of Their Liege Lord Jesus and their consequent Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their present Liberty and future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of present Americans; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their current Systems of Government, that they once again reflect Governance: that is, submit to King Jesus and secure Liberty. The History of the present oppressive Government is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States and the People therein. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

This Federal Government has refused its Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

I. It has first permitted and then promoted Ethnocide in its policy on Abortion (Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood v. Casey), resulting in the governmentally-sanctioned Deaths of forty million of its weakest and most defenseless Citizens.

II. It has, consistent with this Object of Ethnocide, overturned legal Referendums seeking to halt illegal Immigration, resulting in the Exhaustion of the Social Safety Net and the imminent Destruction of the American Culture, with its uniquely Christian Influence.

III. It has, in this Refusal to protect our Borders, failed in its Responsibility to protect the Citizenry from Enemies abroad.

IV. It has upheld as legal the vilest of Behavior (Lawrence v. Texas) and thus called Evil Good.

V. It has made legally right what is morally wrong, in its Sanction of land Seizure and Theft (Kelo v. City of New London).

VI. It has embraced Polytheism as the de facto State Religion (Van Orden v. Perry, McCreary County v. ACLU), constituting an Affirmation of Idolatry and an Assault upon Christianity.

VII. It has, through its confiscatory Policy of Taxation and onerous regulatory Power, burdened the American Public with economic Hardship and monetary Deprivations.

VIII. It has, by its Adoption of particular Curricula for the educational Facilities under its Administration, sought to procure and establish a godless People.

IX. It has, in Violation of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, violated its Jurisdiction by seizing for itself the Sovereignty which belongs to the other appropriate and varied Jurisdictions of Self, Family, and Church.

X. It has erected a Multitude of new Offices, thus creating Swarms of Officers to harass our People and eat out their Substance.

XI. It has, to justify our Oppression, pursued the Subjection of the People to international Law: which Law has no basis in American Jurisprudence, exalting a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our Laws.

XII. It has, against American Interest, overseen the Exportation of our manufacturing Base, spurning Fair Trade for Free Trade and impoverishing America.

XIII. It has upheld Policy to deprive the superior Candidates of Opportunity in Education and Career, in the Pursuit of balanced skin pigment and Ethnicity.

XIV. It has pursued a foreign Policy of Imperialism which guarantees the Enmity of the World.

XV. It has multiplied Laws, transforming Enforcement into tyrannical Caprice, and effectively placing all Citizens in Violation of the Law’s Minutiae.

XVI. It has, by its Usurpations, fundamentally altered the Forms of our Governments.

XVII. It has passed onerous and unconstitutional healthcare Legislation with the Intent to control the Population.

In every Stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every Act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

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We, therefore, the Representatives of these united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the God of the Bible as the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of Jesus Christ, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these united States are, and of Right ought to be, Free from godless Tyranny; that they again should have Government which promotes Liberty, and is accountable to the only Rule wherein Liberty can be secured. Because of the Violations of the Federal Government, we announce that the current Usurpative Reign has forfeited the Obligation of its Citizenry to be Responsible to Any of its Rulings. We announce to the World our Intention, once again, to be governed by the Rule of God’s Law, as expressed in the Constitution, and will no longer be Slaves to the Law of Men. And for the Support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of King Jesus, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
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King Jesus? That's straight out of the English Civil War, let alone the American one; that text would be found to be absurdly primitive and backwards by the standards of Robert E. Lee and the Confederates. Hardcore Fifth Monarchy advocates straight out of Venner's Rising and the mid-17th century.
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It is crap like the above that reminds me that I am NOT joking when I talk about how some christians want a Taliban like Theocracy.
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They are, they really really are.

EDIT: I don't know what is funnier about this, the whole "King Jesus" nonsense, or how blatantly they basically stole the real Declaration of Independence and rewrote it with "Bible talk"
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Yeah, though I'm sort of curious what the thinking was behind changing "inalienable rights" to "unalienable duties."

As for funniest part, try here:
II. It has, consistent with this Object of Ethnocide, overturned legal Referendums seeking to halt illegal Immigration, resulting in the Exhaustion of the Social Safety Net and the imminent Destruction of the American Culture, with its uniquely Christian Influence.

III. It has, in this Refusal to protect our Borders, failed in its Responsibility to protect the Citizenry from Enemies abroad.

IV. It has upheld as legal the vilest of Behavior (Lawrence v. Texas) and thus called Evil Good.
Railing against illegal immigrants taking our job and attacking our American (Christian) culture. Check. Default assumption that anyone outside the nation is an enemy. Check. If you're not sure what the last is about, Lawrence v. Texas is where the Supreme Court struck down laws against sodomy on the grounds that they violated the 14th Amendment's Due Process Clause, and it isn't really the business of the government to legislate what consenting adults do in private. Not so much calling Evil Good as calling Evil, "not our problem."

The document makes a whole bunch of references to referendums and petitions to right these perceived wrongs. Does anyone know if any of these got real traction, or if they just sputtered and died on the altar of voter apathy/sanity?
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Ahriman238 wrote:Yeah, though I'm sort of curious what the thinking was behind changing "inalienable rights" to "unalienable duties."
Come on, man, that's the easy part: so they can beat you up whenever they say something and you say "nah, don't wanna".
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Scott Terry of North Carolina, accompanied by a Confederate-flag-clad attendee, Matthew Heimbach, rose to say he took offense to the event’s take on slavery. (Heimbach founded the White Students Union at Towson University and is described as a “white nationalist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)
ahhh....these people......
What's a real shame about this is that students at Towson, especially via its phenomenal debate team, have been at the forefront of a number of movements involving minority advocacy and rights work, and have really done a lot on a local scale for Baltimore (especially through the Leaders of a Beautiful Society organization) and especially for disadvantaged areas of Baltimore. Yet, at the end of the day, nobody remembers that because everyone thinks Towson is a bunch of racist bigots with the White Student Union.
'After 9/11, it was "You're with us or your with the terrorists." Now its "You're with Straha or you support racism."' ' - The Romulan Republic

'You're a bully putting on an air of civility while saying that everything western and/or capitalistic must be bad, and a lot of other posters (loomer, Stas Bush, Gandalf) are also going along with it for their own personal reasons (Stas in particular is looking through rose colored glasses)' - Darth Yan
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Re: CPAC "racial tolerance" event turns ugly

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Um people think Towson is the school you go to if you can't get in to Maryland or UMBC, that's about it.
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