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From the New York Times:
GREAT DALBY, England — Invisible from the roadway, hidden deep in the lush English countryside, Moscow Farm is an unlikely base for an international organized crime gang churning out a dangerous brew of fake vodka.

Investigators estimated the fraud cost the British government $2.3 million in tax revenue.

But a quarter of a mile off a one-lane road here, tens of thousands of liters of counterfeit spirits were distilled, pumped into genuine vodka bottles, with near-perfect counterfeit labels and duty stamps, and sold in corner shops across Britain. The fake Glen’s vodka looked real. But analysis revealed that it was spiked with bleach to lighten its color, and contained high levels of methanol, which in large doses can cause blindness.

No one knows the harm done to those who drank it — or whether they connected any illness with their bargain vodka — but cases of poisoning have been reported throughout Europe, including in the Czech Republic, where more than 20 people died last year after drinking counterfeit liquor.

The Europe-wide scandal surrounding the substitution of cheaper horse meat in what had been labeled beef products caught the most attention from consumers, regulators and investigators this year. But in terms of food fraud, regulators and investigators say, that is just a hint of what has been happening as the economic crisis persists.

Investigators have uncovered thousands of frauds, raising fresh questions about regulatory oversight as criminals offer bargain-hunting shoppers cheap versions of everyday products, including counterfeit chocolate and adulterated olive oil, Jacob’s Creek wine and even Bollinger Champagne. As the horse meat scandal showed, even legitimate companies can be overtaken by the murky world of food fraud.

“Around the world, food fraud is an epidemic — in every single country where food is produced or grown, food fraud is occurring,” said Mitchell Weinberg, president and chief executive of Inscatech, a company that advises on food security. “Just about every single ingredient that has even a moderate economic value is potentially vulnerable to fraud.”

Speaking at a recent conference organized by the consulting firm FoodChain Europe, Mr. Weinberg added that many processed products contain ingredients like sugar, vanilla, paprika, honey, olive oil or cocoa products that are tainted.

Increasingly, those frauds are the work of organized international criminal networks lured by the potential for big profits in an illicit trade in which most forgers are never caught. The vodka gang boss, Kevin Eddishaw, was — but not before he had counterfeited liquor on an industrial scale, generating profits to match, according to investigators, who estimated that his distillery produced at least 165,000 bottles costing the British government £1.5 million, or $2.3 million, in lost tax revenue.

“He was living a very nice lifestyle,” said Roddy Mackinnon, criminal investigation officer for Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, “a couple of properties, nice cars: a Range Rover, a Mercedes.”

Here at Moscow Farm, the gang used the production techniques of a modern-day factory equipped with at least £50,000, or $77,200, in equipment (while ignoring safety rules). Gang members bought bottles from the supplier of the real makers of Glen’s vodka, saying they were destined for Poland. When forged label prototypes printed in Britain were deemed unpersuasive, higher-quality ones were brought from Poland. The gang faked duty stamps on boxes.

“They tried to do as much as they could to replicate the real thing,” Mr. Mackinnon said. “They were very professional, there was attention to detail.”

So well was the secret plant hidden that it was detected only when someone suspected in another case led investigators there in 2009.

Though Mr. Eddishaw worked through intermediaries and used pay-as-you-go cellphone numbers, investigators tracked his calls, proving from the location where they were made that the phone belonged to him and linking him to a fraud that brought him a seven-year prison term.

The plot fits a pattern, identified by Europol, the European Union’s law enforcement agency, which says organized crime groups have capitalized on the economic downturn.

“In response to reduced consumer spending power, counterfeiters have expanded their range of products,” a recent Europol report said. In addition to the traditional counterfeit luxury product, organized crime groups “now also counterfeit daily consumer goods such as detergents, foodstuffs, cosmetic products and pharmaceuticals.”

Shaun Kennedy, associate professor at the University of Minnesota, estimated that 10 percent of food that consumers buy in the developed world was adulterated. Because the profit margins for foodstuffs are often within single digits, “if you dilute by 2 percent, that’s a big deal.” He cited a report from the United States’ Grocery Manufacturers Association saying that economic adulteration and counterfeiting of global food and consumer products was expected to cost the industry $10 billion to $15 billion a year.

“Mostly the perpetrators are not intending to cause anyone harm — that would be bad for repeat business — but often they don’t understand the potential impact,” Mr. Kennedy added.

Investigators say a huge array of deceptions exist. Simple ones involve presenting cheap products as branded or top-quality ones, like selling catfish as sea bream, labeling farmed salmon as wild or marketing battery-produced eggs as organic or free range. In February, the German authorities began investigating around 160 farms suspected of breaking rules on organic and free-range egg production, for example.

In other cases, cheaper ingredients are added to genuine products to increase profit margins. Sometimes vegetable oil goes into chocolate bars, or pomegranate juice, wine, coffee, honey or olive oil is adulterated with water, sweeteners or cheaper substitutes.

Whenever there is tampering, there are potential risks to health. Indian restaurants in Britain have been prosecuted for adding ground peanuts to almond powder, which poses a risk to allergy sufferers. Food experts say that engine oil is among the substances found in olive oil.

In a weeklong food fraud crackdown last year, the French authorities seized 100 tons of fish, seafood and frogs legs whose origin was incorrectly labeled; 1.2 tons of fake truffle shavings; 500 kilograms, or 1,100 pounds, of inedible pastries; false Parmesan cheese from America and Egypt; and liquor from a Dutch company marketed as tequila. They also found fraudulent Web sites claiming to sell caviar.

Illegally fished and contaminated shellfish often finds its way to fish markets. And even the fish that is safe to eat may not be what consumers think it is; the owner of a fish and chip shop in Plymouth, England, was fined last year for selling a cheaper Asian river fish called panga as cod.

Another fraud is to fake the packaging of well-known brands with writing in a foreign language so consumers believe they have a genuine product that was diverted abroad at a bargain price.

Even religious communities are not immune. In Britain, the Food Standards Agency has warned against drinking Zam Zam water, which is sacred to Muslims and comes from Saudi Arabia. Bottles sold in Britain “may contain high levels of arsenic or nitrates,” the agency said.

In a depot in South London, trading standards officers display fake foods including about 300 bottles of counterfeit red and white wine, labeled Jacob’s Creek. One small detail gives away these otherwise convincing forgeries: the counterfeiters misspelled the name of the country where the real wine is produced — Australia — missing its middle “a.”

Russell Bignell, trading standards officer at Wandsworth Council, said bottles normally contained cheaper wine but added, “the fact is we don’t know what’s in it.”

Other items here include two boxes of fake Durex condoms, in convincing packaging, and a bottle of counterfeit Bollinger Champagne.

Christopher Roe, the council’s chief trading standards officer, said that the problem affects sales of goods online but that much conventionally sold counterfeit produce turns up in markets or small independent corner stores.

“Whether or not they know it’s counterfeit is a moot point,” Mr. Roe said, adding that there are just not enough resources to combat the problem. With counterfeit products, he added, “the more you look, the more you know you will find.”
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Because there is money to be made, food fraud is spreading and includes the participation of organized crime. This is not limited to just third world nations or China, it's everywhere. The recent economic problems have made profiting from food fraud more attractive because more people are bargain hunting. It need not involve malice, just careless pursuit of short-term profits.
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It always did seem like a market ripe for fraud. If I could use a sensor which marked fake items in the store there would no doubt be plenty.
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that would explain some of the hangovers...
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I don't have great sympathy for the government's "lost revenue" from punitive and regressive alcohol duties. Food should of course contain what it is advertised to contain, but i see no evidence of wide-spread dangerous contamination of food. Even Equinocalypse did not pose any risk to human health.
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Do we have to wait until someone dies or numbers of people die before we do something about fraud? How ridiculous. Food should not be contaminated if it can be avoided.
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Broomstick wrote:Because there is money to be made, food fraud is spreading and includes the participation of organized crime. This is not limited to just third world nations or China, it's everywhere. The recent economic problems have made profiting from food fraud more attractive because more people are bargain hunting. It need not involve malice, just careless pursuit of short-term profits.
Yeah. I can cite a few stories about Central European companies selling winter-defrosting grade salt as table grade or 'refreshing' past date sausages with oil. And yet, libertarians still believe in their fantasies of absolutely no government regulations and all-knowing hand of market :roll:
energiewende wrote:I don't have great sympathy for the government's "lost revenue" from punitive and regressive alcohol duties. Food should of course contain what it is advertised to contain, but i see no evidence of wide-spread dangerous contamination of food. Even Equinocalypse did not pose any risk to human health.
A) maybe educate yourself WHY duties on alcohol are in fact quite helpful and B) read my above post, while eating contaminated salt most likely won't kill you say salmonella can and will. Gee, government regulations work so well and keep food so safe some people just don't remember how it looked before and what life expectancy looked then :roll:

Also, you know, even if contaminated food won't kill you, it can quite possibly damage your liver or kidneys, forcing you to undergo dialysis for the rest of your life. Good luck not bankrupting from that outside of the evil countries with their hideous, high taxes paying for unimportant luxuries like universal health care :banghead:
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energiewende wrote:I don't have great sympathy for the government's "lost revenue" from punitive and regressive alcohol duties. Food should of course contain what it is advertised to contain, but i see no evidence of wide-spread dangerous contamination of food. Even Equinocalypse did not pose any risk to human health.
The more of this kind of sloppiness you tolerate, the more likely it is that someone will do something that poses life-threatening danger. The same people who put horse meat in the cow-meat hamburger are very unlikely to stop and make sure that whoever butchered the horse used proper sanitation procedures.
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There has been a spat of recent fish DNA tests from markets and resturaunts showing that upwards of half the fish sold were mislabled. It usually isn't a health concern unless smothing like Escolar is subbed in but it's still fraud given the mark up they will charge you for their Chilean Sea Bass that is actuall Tilapia.
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Irbis wrote:
energiewende wrote:I don't have great sympathy for the government's "lost revenue" from punitive and regressive alcohol duties. Food should of course contain what it is advertised to contain, but i see no evidence of wide-spread dangerous contamination of food. Even Equinocalypse did not pose any risk to human health.
A) maybe educate yourself WHY duties on alcohol are in fact quite helpful
Because people are addicted to alcohol, large taxes will not result in major change in behaviour. As a result, large amounts of tax can be extracted from poor people that would be neither practically possibly nor socially acceptable with comparable levels of income taxation. Since alcohol taxation is often levied at a fixed rate per unit rather than as a percdntage of sale price, it manages to be even more regressive than an actual sales tax!
B) read my above post, while eating contaminated salt most likely won't kill you say salmonella can and will. Gee, government regulations work so well and keep food so safe some people just don't remember how it looked before and what life expectancy looked then :roll:
When large proportions of the population were killed by salmonella, a disease resulting from improper preparation of meat? I am not sure that time ever existed.
Also, you know, even if contaminated food won't kill you, it can quite possibly damage your liver or kidneys, forcing you to undergo dialysis for the rest of your life. Good luck not bankrupting from that outside of the evil countries with their hideous, high taxes paying for unimportant luxuries like universal health care :banghead:
Possibly; does it?

I'm not even against investigation of food supply for things that are actually dangerous, but this is done already. This article, and the whole tabloid scare-story that has exploded since the horse meat faux-scandal, are talking about a scatter-gun array of quite different activities: attempting to evade punitive taxation on a handful of classes of goods, with no attempt to pass them off as common brands; substitution of aesthetically unappealing but nutritionally similar and perfectly safe meat, constituting fraud but not a public health risk; bans on products that are perfectly legal in some countries but not others because of different regulatory requirements at the extreme low end of contamination; etc.

People who worry about this belong in the same box as people who worry about chemtrails.
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energiewende wrote:Because people are addicted to alcohol, large taxes will not result in major change in behaviour. As a result, large amounts of tax can be extracted from poor people that would be neither practically possibly nor socially acceptable with comparable levels of income taxation. Since alcohol taxation is often levied at a fixed rate per unit rather than as a percdntage of sale price, it manages to be even more regressive than an actual sales tax!
What makes you think most alcohol is consumed by addicts? Citation needed.
I'm not even against investigation of food supply for things that are actually dangerous, but this is done already. This article, and the whole tabloid scare-story that has exploded since the horse meat faux-scandal, are talking about a scatter-gun array of quite different activities: attempting to evade punitive taxation on a handful of classes of goods, with no attempt to pass them off as common brands; substitution of aesthetically unappealing but nutritionally similar and perfectly safe meat, constituting fraud but not a public health risk; bans on products that are perfectly legal in some countries but not others because of different regulatory requirements at the extreme low end of contamination; etc.

People who worry about this belong in the same box as people who worry about chemtrails.
Not at all. Here, we have real evidence of food suppliers trying to cut costs by committing fraud and skimping on safety procedures.

This is like getting evidence that people on the road with you are reckless drivers. Sure, they don't want a disastrous mistake to get anyone hurt. Sure, the odds of that happening on any given day are low. But the more drivers are reckless, and the bolder those drivers get about escaping the consequences of recklessness, and the more they are rewarded for recklessness (by getting money or saving time or whatever)...

Soon, you have a lot of reckless drivers and a lot of lethal car accidents. Which is why we bother to enforce traffic laws and teach drivers how to be safe.


In the case of food supply, if you go back to before modern regulatory regimes people really did die from food contamination in considerable numbers. Meat packers weren't just labeling horse as cow, they were labeling rat meat as edible meat. Basic sanitation procedures like not letting sick workers cough in the food were not observed. These things are genuinely dangerous to health.

Now, we may not be in danger of going back to those conditions all in one jump just because we have occasional cases of fraud. But I think it takes incredible, blithering stupidity to not see why people care about rigorous enforcement of food safety and food quality control, knowing that there is a history of such conditions. And that the businesses of the time found it profitable to do business that way, and actively unprofitable to stop.
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energiewende wrote:substitution of aesthetically unappealing but nutritionally similar and perfectly safe meat,
It's not safe if you're allergic to horse meat.
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The most extreme (and disgusting) case of food fraud almost always come from China. From using plastic powder (yes, plastic: melanin) to bulk up infant formula all the way to filtering/extracting cooking oil from sewers.

Children and dogs have died from this (the melanin trick was adopted from a previous practice of bulking up dog food). And even when it doesn't kill people directly cooking with oil extracted from raw sewer introduces lots of toxic heavy metals into your food.

The thing is, blocking Chinese products is not enough. Chinese gangsters are simply showing you own local organized crime syndicates how to take it to the logical extreme. You still need to protect consumers at the point of purchase.

BTW: @energiewende, the article mentioned that last year alone more than 20 people died from counterfeit liquor. I don't know if that's widespread enough for you but even if those 20 cases end up being related to each other and isolated to the Chech Republic aren't those deaths "serious" enough?
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Yet in the UK the Coalition government thinks it's a good idea to cut funding to Trading Standards and the Food Standards Agency. Fucking spivs.
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energiewende wrote:Because people are addicted to alcohol, large taxes will not result in major change in behaviour. As a result, large amounts of tax can be extracted from poor people that would be neither practically possibly nor socially acceptable with comparable levels of income taxation. Since alcohol taxation is often levied at a fixed rate per unit rather than as a percdntage of sale price, it manages to be even more regressive than an actual sales tax!
From google.....

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/ ... /22-34.pdf

Increasing prices by increasing taxes has an effect on alcohol consumption.

Its important however, to note that decreasing alcohol consumption and behavioural change might not be equivalent. Alcoholics or simply heavy drinkers might be less price sensitive than social drinkers for example.
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On the alcohol tax, Finland has the highest cost of alcohol in the european union (about 75% more expensive than the average EU price) and we're one of the heaviest drinking nations anyway. So I remain skeptical to how well restrictive measures work on this factor.

Finland dropped the alcohol tax a few years ago (2004), consumption went up and there was a big hoo haa gotta up the tax again hurry hurry panic media thing going on that until the politicians raised it again (but not by as much). Thing is back then I looked at the stats and from what I saw the 2006 consumption figures put out by the state then seemed to indicate it was actually leveling off and going back.

Frankly we did not give it enough time, most of the buying could have been attributed to people just being used to high prices and going "holy crap this is cheap buy buy buy before uncle kekkonen raises it again", there was also some increase of the amount of alcohol you could take home from estonia too that resulted in 2004 and 2005 being something of an alcohol shock for the finns. I figured by 2006 it was starting to normalize as people got used to the new price levels, but there wasn't the political capital to keep it going for a few more years to gather more statistics, sadly.

Consumption has been lowered in any case now but because the experiment got "polluted" so to speak there's no real way to measure what did what.
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energiewende wrote:Because people are addicted to alcohol, large taxes will not result in major change in behaviour. As a result, large amounts of tax can be extracted from poor people that would be neither practically possibly nor socially acceptable with comparable levels of income taxation. Since alcohol taxation is often levied at a fixed rate per unit rather than as a percdntage of sale price, it manages to be even more regressive than an actual sales tax!
But the point of the tax is not the making addicts reconsider (though it does that). The point of tax is to bar the addiction entry to new people. You know why? Because several nations almost managed to cease to exist due to widespread alcoholism. I could give some fresh examples from Warsaw Pact, where rulers tried to appease population with cheap vodka, but even in free market economies like Sweden and Finland problem got so bad that not only state monopoly on alcohol sales was instituted, alcohol was actually rationed. You literally could buy only set amount per month. Yet another case of not remembering how it looked before all the 'evil' taxes :roll:

And of course it's a fixed rate, not a percentage. Doing it any other way would be nonsense - alcoholics buy cheapest, strongest booze, the tax is not supposed to target 400$ per bottle wine. Why would it?

BTW, that tax 'extracted' from oh-so-poor alcoholics is usually eaten by healthcare - because their ruined organisms need it more often, and no, from what I read, in most states it doesn't even fully cover that. They pay only for themselves, others need to top that sum up unless the tax is really draconian.
When large proportions of the population were killed by salmonella, a disease resulting from improper preparation of meat? I am not sure that time ever existed.
...you're seriously questioning food safety? What? And in wrong, ignorant way? :roll:

How about ancient 2011 where just one bacterial outbreak in Germany infected 2400 killing 23 people? Or 2012 one?

In fact, have a whole laundry list of Salmonella outbreaks, in a lot of cases affecting "meat" growing on trees, someone should inform CDC these don't exist and they're wasting their time :lol:
I'm not even against investigation of food supply for things that are actually dangerous, but this is done already. This article, and the whole tabloid scare-story that has exploded since the horse meat faux-scandal, are talking about a scatter-gun array of quite different activities: attempting to evade punitive taxation on a handful of classes of goods, with no attempt to pass them off as common brands; substitution of aesthetically unappealing but nutritionally similar and perfectly safe meat, constituting fraud but not a public health risk; bans on products that are perfectly legal in some countries but not others because of different regulatory requirements at the extreme low end of contamination; etc.
Gee, so according to you all and any acts of fraud are perfectly ok, safe, combat evil taxes, and something we shouldn't worry about? :roll:

Outside of examples given above, with melatonin and lead, in Europe alone there were recently dioxins-laced chicken, contaminated milk, mad cow disease, etc. etc. Dozens of serious accidents in last 3 years alone. These are things that fucking kill you, trying to equate them with horse meat case is frankly ludicrous.
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How about people who worry Mafia is putting poisons in food?

...oh, wait, it actually happens, frankly all the time :lol:

Maybe the people who think there are no issues are the contrail watchers there, both accuse state of being evil machination, after all.
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When large proportions of the population were killed by salmonella, a disease resulting from improper preparation of meat? I am not sure that time ever existed.
Are you fucking shitting me? Are you familiar with the practices of the meat packing industry in the 19th and early 20th centuries? Or even modern examples:

E. Coli outbreaks from contaminated food, including meat, in the past few years

http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/outbreaks.html

Back before the laws and FDA existed (read: Before His Bull Mooseness, Teddy Roosevelt) no meat got inspected, no facilities got inspected, rotten meat got mixed into sausages and no one gave a shit if fecal material was obviously mixed in with aforementioned meat. Welcome to the fucking gilded age. Lots of people died, but of course it was the 19th century, so the tracking of how those people died was lacking in a big way. Both E. Coli and Salmonella cause forms of what is basically dysentery in terms of symptoms and vast numbers of people died from illnesses with those symptoms.
Possibly; does it?
Yes you fucking moron, it does, depending on the type of contamination. Ethanol that is contaminated with methanol certainly will.
I'm not even against investigation of food supply for things that are actually dangerous, but this is done already.
Not as well as you might think. At least in the US, Regulatory Capture and systematic underfunding since the Reagan administration have cut down on enforcement of food safety regulations. Fear of Titanic lawsuits however keeps the food industry in line. Except when it doesn't. See list of outbreaks.
substitution of aesthetically unappealing but nutritionally similar and perfectly safe meat, constituting fraud but not a public health risk
Yes you idiot. Yes it is. A good number of people are allergic to horse. Then there are the sanitation issues. You think the shady dudes who sold that horse meat followed proper sanitation procedures? Given that horse meat is not commonly packed as a consumer product, and thus those doing the butchering probably are not using the proper facilities, I would hazard the guess that they are not. This means that when they process the meat, it is not unlikely that fecal material from the GI tract of the horses has contaminated the meat.

To really put things in perspective for you. This is a high capacity feed lot.

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That is not mud comprised of dirt and water they are wading it. It is mud comprised of dirt, water, and shit. In conditions like that, ALL the cows have pathogenic strains of E. Coli and Salmonella. All of them, Molari. The only reason they dont drop dead is because of preventative antibiotic treatments distributed in the food, which have the other benefit of making said strains resistant to the antibiotics used to treat them. Processing the meat in order to avoid contamination requires a certain amount of care. While the per unit incidence is lower in say, a horse (because conditions are better for horses, generally), the dudes doing the butchering probably are not taking the same amount of care.

People who worry about this belong in the same box as people who worry about chemtrails.
Or, we might be familiar with the history of the meat packing industry, and the current practices of large scale meat production firms. We might also be familiar with how diseases spread in animal populations. We might also be familiar with the existence of allergies. We may, in fact, not be blithering fucking morons.
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An important consideration with horsemeat, particularly any sourced from teh US, is that in many instances the slaughtered horses were never intended for human consumption and therefore might have been treated with medications either unapproved for human exposure or potentially toxic for humans eating the meat. Horses intended for human dinner tables need to be raised properly to keep the meat wholesome. If someone is substituting horsemeat for something else they sure as hell aren't going to buying expensive horses, they're going to buy as cheap as possible and Og knows what sort of diseases, chemicals, and who knows what else are contaminating them.

Food intended for humans should be subjected to quality controls from start to finish. For that matter, so should food for livestock.
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Re: Food Fraud More Widespread Than You Might Think

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Also, you forget that these horses probablyhaven't been healthy - you can certainly guess that these people practice the old tradition of seeking double payment. Apart from selling the meat, they already got paid for hauling the cadaver off the farm it dropped dead.
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Re: Food Fraud More Widespread Than You Might Think

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Nestled in there was a comment I found far more interesting - the admission that purely organic farming is such a dead end (read: yields are too low), but the market value of said foods so high that farmers will do the obvious thing and lie about what you're getting. It's part of a much more common problem - anything marked as special in some way justifies asking more money for it - premium this, natural that, gourmet something, even if it's what a normal person would agree is a blatant misrepresentation of the product. It's not what you grab off of the shelf (for fear of what ingredients might be in there without your knowledge - food inspection in the developed world is generally pretty fucking good), but what you are being told on the labelling that is, to me, the bigger lie consumers have to face at the grocery store.

But complaining about competitive marketing isn't sexy; it just pisses me off more when we're talking about our basic foods, than when it's about competing electric shavers or some such.
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Re: Food Fraud More Widespread Than You Might Think

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Lagmonster wrote:Nestled in there was a comment I found far more interesting - the admission that purely organic farming is such a dead end (read: yields are too low), but the market value of said foods so high that farmers will do the obvious thing and lie about what you're getting. It's part of a much more common problem - anything marked as special in some way justifies asking more money for it - premium this, natural that, gourmet something, even if it's what a normal person would agree is a blatant misrepresentation of the product. It's not what you grab off of the shelf (for fear of what ingredients might be in there without your knowledge - food inspection in the developed world is generally pretty fucking good), but what you are being told on the labelling that is, to me, the bigger lie consumers have to face at the grocery store.

But complaining about competitive marketing isn't sexy; it just pisses me off more when we're talking about our basic foods, than when it's about competing electric shavers or some such.
Yeah. Take Tyson's "All Natural" chicken breasts etc. Barring the fact that chickens are a man made species, there is nothing natural about cramming them in enclosed poorly ventilated coops with densities of something like 8 chickens per square meter, and feeding them so much that they gain weight so much faster than they actually grow that the cartilage growth plates in their legs deform. In point of fact, that is what is often referred to as "cage free", because they are not put into battery cages at even higher density.

If I kept rats under those conditions, knowing I was going to expose them to carcinogens and later dissect them to look at tumor growth, I would be charged with animal cruelty. Instead, these operations are certified as being proper husbandry conditions...
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Broomstick wrote:An important consideration with horsemeat, particularly any sourced from teh US, is that in many instances the slaughtered horses were never intended for human consumption and therefore might have been treated with medications either unapproved for human exposure or potentially toxic for humans eating the meat. Horses intended for human dinner tables need to be raised properly to keep the meat wholesome. If someone is substituting horsemeat for something else they sure as hell aren't going to buying expensive horses, they're going to buy as cheap as possible and Og knows what sort of diseases, chemicals, and who knows what else are contaminating them.

Food intended for humans should be subjected to quality controls from start to finish. For that matter, so should food for livestock.
In the case of the horsemeat scandal in the UK, they actually did find bute in the horsemeat. Bute is a drug they give to racehorses, and it gives humans cancer, which is why using it on horses intended for human consumption is banned.
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