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Tonight, I bring you two stories of incumbents who have lost, and the fallout from those losses.

For the first, we go to Annapolis Maryland!
The AP wire by way of WJZ Baltimore wrote:ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) — Days after a Republican was elected mayor of Annapolis, City Council members say they will revisit legislation that would strip the mayor’s office of much of its power.

Democratic Alderman Ross Arnett of Ward 8 tells The Capital he will introduce a charter amendment to move Annapolis to a council-manager style of government. The city manager would report directly to the City Council, not the mayor.

Under Arnett’s legislation, the mayor’s post would be largely ceremonial. The mayor would retain a single vote on the council. Arnett says the change would stabilize the city’s management.

If the measure is approved, it would mean the Democratic-dominated council would be removing the powers of the first Republican mayor elected since 1997.

Last week, Republican Mike Pantelides defeated Democratic incumbent Josh Cohen.
I expect everyone here who complains about redistricting by republicans to condemn this act by the Democrat controlled city council to keep their party in control.


For the second, we go to Houston, Texas
Doug Miller for KHOU 11 News wrote:HOUSTON -- Dave Wilson chuckles as he talks about his unorthodox political campaign.

"I'd always said it was a long shot," Wilson says. "No, I didn't expect to win."

Still, he figured he'd have fun running, because he was fed up with what he called "all the shenanigans" at the Houston Community College System. As a conservative white Republican running in a district whose voters are overwhelmingly black Democrats, the odds seemed overwhelmingly against him.

Then he came up with an idea, an advertising strategy that his opponent found "disgusting." If a white guy didn't have a chance in a mostly African-American district, Wilson would lead voters to think he's black.

And it apparently worked. In one of the biggest political upsets in Houston politics this election season, Wilson -- an anti-gay activist and former fringe candidate for mayor -- emerged as the surprise winner over 24-year incumbent Bruce Austin. His razor thin margin of victory, only 26 votes, was almost certainly influenced by his racially tinged campaign.

"Every time a politician talks, he's out there deceiving voters," he says.

Wilson, a gleeful political troublemaker, printed direct mail pieces strongly implying that he's black. His fliers were decorated with photographs of smiling African-American faces -- which he readily admits he just lifted off websites -- and captioned with the words "Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson."

One of his mailers said he was "Endorsed by Ron Wilson," which longtime Houston voters might easily interpret as a statement of support from a former state representative of the same name who's also African-American. Fine print beneath the headline says "Ron Wilson and Dave Wilson are cousins," a reference to one of Wilson's relatives living in Iowa.

"He's a nice cousin," Wilson says, suppressing a laugh. "We played baseball in high school together. And he's endorsed me."

Austin tried to answer the mailer with his own fliers showing Wilson's face, calling him a "right-wing hate monger" and saying he "advocated bringing back chain gangs to clean highways." But the campaign clearly caught him off guard.

"I don't think it's good," he said. "I don't think it's good for both democracy and the whole concept of fair play. But that was not his intent, apparently."

Just how much a role Wilson's mailers played in the campaign is unclear. Other incumbents running for re-election were forced into runoffs, perhaps because the community college system has come under intense criticism for insider business deals and spending money on overseas initiatives. And after 24 years in office, Austin's name should have been somewhat familiar to his constituents.

"I suspect it's more than just race," says Bob Stein, the Rice University political scientist and KHOU analyst. "The Houston Community College was under some criticism for bad performance. And others on the board also had very serious challenges."

Austin has said he plans to ask for a recount. But in an era of electronic voting, political analysts said Wilson's victory will probably hold and send him into office for a six-year term.
He let people see what they wanted to see, and if a 24 year incumbent can't get re-elected in the circumstances given, then I'm not sure he should have been at all.
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What makes me sad about Dave Wilson is that Scott King proved that a white man could be a mayor of a majority (85%) black city for multiple terms. King was mayor of Gary, Indiana for 10 years and never felt a need to hide that he was white. Black people are capable of voting in people of other ethnicity.
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Annapolis election seems more or less honest but Dave Wilson just seems to be scum
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What upsets me as that Dave Wilson is celebrating his ability to pull the wool over his constituents' eyes, and that he succeeded by manipulating the information available to those voters who were most ignorant.

Therefore, he cannot credibly claim that he values his constituents' opinions, nor that he reflects the genuine wishes they harbor about who they'd want in office. So much for government with consent of the governed.



I do resent the actions of the Annapolis City Council.
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Maybe they can swap the two. Annapolis City council sounds just like the sort of people who Wilson would get along with.
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I'm sorry, but the people who voted for Dave Wilson got exactly what they deserve. Just like we Torontonians got exactly what we deserved when we voted for an alcoholic jackass with criminal convictions and a crack problem. The people didn't do their due diligence and got conned by politicians, if you can't spend 5 minutes reading a newspaper or looking things up on the 'net, you don't exactly have grounds to complain when the crooks pull a fast one on you.

Was it a cheap & dirty win? Damn right it was. And I have to give props for the sheer brilliance of it. But maybe the people will learn to pay some fucking attention next time and do a bit of digging before blindly marking off a ballot.
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Yeah, when people get scammed they just "get what they deserve" and we should do nothing but look down on them and we should always praise the scammer for pulling such a good job no matter how much harm is done. Nothing can go wrong from that sort of behavior being encouraged.
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Well it's a scam that was predicted on people voting along racial lines, I fail to see how one could be sympathetic when it obviously worked.
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They took a politician's campaign mailers at face value. Dumber than a box of rocks. If I did that with the Green Party fliers from a couple elections ago I'd be expecting a group of hot college chicks as my candidates. When in reality the candidate was nothing like that.
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Were they dumb? Yes. Are they to blame? Partly.

However I find the glee in which you delight in this disgusting.
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One item though is with the internet, you can look up you candidates in 5 minutes
I did get flyers in 2012 from Romney and they made me more negative towards him

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Do you think everyone has the same access to the Internet and free time to do it? Has the same instinctive mindset to immediately look up candidates online? Is able to find sufficient information (everything google finds now is either related to this news story or is his own website. remember, local candidates with no active political history don't necessarily have a strong web presences)?
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Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Do you think everyone has the same access to the Internet and free time to do it? Has the same instinctive mindset to immediately look up candidates online? Is able to find sufficient information (everything google finds now is either related to this news story or is his own website. remember, local candidates with no active political history don't necessarily have a strong web presences)?
Your local newspaper will almost always have just a few brief items on their website

Look, I agree he cheated and think it stinks
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Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Do you think everyone has the same access to the Internet and free time to do it? Has the same instinctive mindset to immediately look up candidates online? Is able to find sufficient information (everything google finds now is either related to this news story or is his own website. remember, local candidates with no active political history don't necessarily have a strong web presences)?
Interestingly it seems that the incumbent is also black, (I actually assumed he was white, my bad), so you could possibly argue he leveled the playing field - or maybe, just maybe, issues decided the whole thing?
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Maybe I just come across the wrong way in print, but I'm not taking delight in this. Let me put it this way. I live in a city with a fucking crackhead mayor, who the people voted for, fully knowing at the time that he was an alcoholic drunk driving asshole with a DUI conviction. He got in because he convinced enough idiots that he was just a jolly football coach. Same thing with Dave Wilson, except he did it with race.

That it works is a sad commentary on how little we the people care. And for a politician to exploit it, well, sure it would be nice if they were mostly honest and played by gentleman's rules. But that ain't happening since our society (that would be North America) neither expects nor demands it, and in fact we're going backwards and getting worse with each passing year. And until we do, we can look forward to more of this shit.
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There's a lot of undertone here about black people preferentially voting for black candidates as if it's a bad thing or even a sign of being "stupid". But it often is a part of issues voting despite it being seen as opposed to it, in that people who have lived the experience of being oppressed by a racist society are usually much better at understanding what it's like and how to help others who suffer the same oppression.
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Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:There's a lot of undertone here about black people preferentially voting for black candidates as if it's a bad thing or even a sign of being "stupid". But it often is a part of issues voting despite it being seen as opposed to it, in that people who have lived the experience of being oppressed by a racist society are usually much better at understanding what it's like and how to help others who suffer the same oppression.
Trying to see how E.W. Jackson polled with black voters in Virginia but could not find anything
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aerius wrote:Maybe I just come across the wrong way in print, but I'm not taking delight in this. Let me put it this way. I live in a city with a fucking crackhead mayor, who the people voted for, fully knowing at the time that he was an alcoholic drunk driving asshole with a DUI conviction. He got in because he convinced enough idiots that he was just a jolly football coach. Same thing with Dave Wilson, except he did it with race.

That it works is a sad commentary on how little we the people care. And for a politician to exploit it, well, sure it would be nice if they were mostly honest and played by gentleman's rules. But that ain't happening since our society (that would be North America) neither expects nor demands it, and in fact we're going backwards and getting worse with each passing year. And until we do, we can look forward to more of this shit.
K, I see where you are coming from here.
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aerius wrote:I live in a city with a fucking crackhead mayor, who the people voted for, fully knowing at the time that he was an alcoholic drunk driving asshole with a DUI conviction. He got in because he convinced enough idiots that he was just a jolly football coach. Same thing with Dave Wilson, except he did it with race.
Being a drug addict is not the same thing as being white. If a member of a racial minority (as being white apparently is in this district) conceals his race so that prejudiced voters will not dismiss him out of hand, while his opponent goes out of his way to stir up racism against him, I fail to see why he is the bad guy.

Based just on what I've read so far I hope that this stands, and that he does a wonderful job of it.
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Yeah because whites in a district that is majority black district face equal oppression to blacks in the rest of the country.

That is exactly how racism works good job.
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Hey, considering that voters voted in large enough numbers for George W Bush to win at least once........
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Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Do you think everyone has the same access to the Internet and free time to do it? Has the same instinctive mindset to immediately look up candidates online? Is able to find sufficient information (everything google finds now is either related to this news story or is his own website. remember, local candidates with no active political history don't necessarily have a strong web presences)?
Look. That IS the problem.

Uninformed voters voting without having done ANY work on the issues and politicians they're voting for.


Now, I'm actually more curious whether this is a protest vote, as in people simply protesting against the incumbent and voting for Austin, who in this case ran a clever ad campaign to hoodwink people into identifying him as one of them.

Its does showcase a problem of modern democracy, where voters vote for the 'Alpha' leader or the persona of the politician as opposed to issues and policies. Anyone remembers Obama and Hope and change? It should had been obvious that he was a middle road conservative,slightly rightwing to Clinton but the whole "I'm not as insane as Bush" was sufficient to win him accolades in the eyes of the world.

You keep seeing racism where there's none. It was quite clear what aerius was complaining about, although the whole 'glee' thing. well.......
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Eh. I think my criticism stands- it's not that Wilson was misleading in and of itself. It's that the attitude shown by the quotes in the article suggests delight in misleading which in turn suggests contempt for his constituents.* And, again, that as a practical result his constituents now have a representative who cannot credibly claim to speak for a plurality/majority of them, because an unknown number of them voted under false pretences.**
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*I know, a lot of politicians have this, and I'm not saying Wilson is unique. I'm saying it's a problem.

**And again, I know this happens on a semi-regular basis. But I feel that there's a difference between campaign materials that frame an issue in ways we find dishonest ("The EPA is a JOB KILLER!") and campaign materials that are designed specifically to make the reader believe a false piece of information about the candidate ("our adulterer is a family-values champion, the failed businessman I'm supporting has tons of management experience, this white/black guy is black/white!")

The former could be a difference of opinion, at least in principle- there are lots of issues where both sides sincerely believe the other is lying or believes in false/irrelevant "facts." The latter is not a difference of opinion, it is specifically an attempt to make sure that the people elect someone they would not otherwise see as a fitting representative.
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People would probably pay more attention to the candidates if they weren't being asked to vote for such inane things as local college board members.
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aerius wrote:I live in a city with a fucking crackhead mayor, who the people voted for, fully knowing at the time that he was an alcoholic drunk driving asshole with a DUI conviction. He got in because he convinced enough idiots that he was just a jolly football coach. Same thing with Dave Wilson, except he did it with race.
Being a drug addict is not the same thing as being white. If a member of a racial minority (as being white apparently is in this district) conceals his race so that prejudiced voters will not dismiss him out of hand, while his opponent goes out of his way to stir up racism against him, I fail to see why he is the bad guy.

Based just on what I've read so far I hope that this stands, and that he does a wonderful job of it.
Even if we ignore the race angle, he was still being deceptive in other ways, eg being endorsed by fake celebrity and showing pictures of presumably people agreeing with him when they were just lifted off the internet. The latter tactic might be par for the course with politicians in North America, but this is the first time I heard someone use the fake celebrity trick.

I fail to see based on this why he would be considered "good". If anything he is just as bad if not worse than other politicians in general.
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