Lostprohpets singer Ian Watkins guilty of child sex offences

[Korgeta]

It's a very sorry saga to one of the UK's mainstream rockbands, and for a time quite a succseful one (3.5 million sales is a good achievement)

However from 19th December 2012 he was charged with a series of offences, including extreme online pornography, to attempted rape of a 1yr old.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/ ... ns-charged

However December 3rd this month he admitted his guilt, prior to the court case. He was sentenced on the 18th to 35 years in prison, whilst questions were raised to how police failed to respond.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

There is a full list of the charges under the sentencing transcript report. Should warn that there is some distressing context.

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/J ... others.pdf

Personally am gutted, as lostporphets was one of the first modern alternative rock music I listened when at college, and while I know 'rock/pop star sleeps with 16yr old, hooker, gets nude pics' is old news, it is unsettling to think this sort can happen inside the music industry.

[madd0ct0r]

Don't read the transcript. Don't google it.
It's a local case here, and the details are fucking horrible. Short version is, apart from everything else, he convinced two obsessed fans to allow him to molest their babies.

yeah.

[Purple]

Don't read the transcript. Don't google it.

Is it that bad? O_O

[Minischoles]

Don't read the transcript. Don't google it.

Is it that bad? O_O

It really is, the things he did - and the women who were convicted alongside him - are truly sickening.

[Broomstick]

It's a level of depravity we don't often see. I would especially say parents should steer clear of the transcript. It's a horrific betrayal of trust, various forms of drug and sexual abuse heaped upon infants as well as teens, and while not the most disgusting thing I have ever read it's pretty goddamned bad. Watkins belongs behind bars and should not be permitted around children ever again, and that includes impressionable late teens/young adults that he could manipulate. About the only positive thing to be said is that there appears to be no deliberate maiming of anyone involved.

[Purple]

Just to be on the safe side. The transcript, that's the .pdf linked to in the OP right?

[Broomstick]

Correct.

[Borgholio]

I just read the transcript.

I almost threw up in my mouth.

[K. A. Pital]

I wish I didn't read it. I've certainly read worse (not fan-related), but the sheer craziness is just overwhelming. Drug abuse obviously factors in, but I can't help feeling that these people have serious mental issues. I always knew that there were a lot of unhealthy attitudes in fan communities ("fan" is a short name for "fanatic", after all), but this tops everything I've read before on crazy fans.

[Iroscato]

I also read it, 'cause I'm a fucking idiot.
...I have no words to describe the revulsion this entire series of events has caused me- certainly, this is the most extreme case of paedophilia I've ever read about.

[madd0ct0r]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

[Purple]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

If it's any consolation it worked for me.

[Broomstick]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

And I thank you for the warning so when I decided to read it after all it was a fully informed choice. Then I went and warned everyone else but I guess folks can't help looking at a trainwreck.

[Gaidin]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

And I thank you for the warning so when I decided to read it after all it was a fully informed choice. Then I went and warned everyone else but I guess folks can't help looking at a trainwreck.

All things being equal, looking at the trainwreck would be reading the articles. Reading the transcript sounds more like stepping in front of the trainwreck as it happens from what I'm hearing of how bad it is. I'm just saying.

[salm]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

That warning was like a red button that says "dont push".
Damn it, what a disgusting read. I quit after 30%.

[Crown]

fucks sake people. I tried to warn you.

That warning was like a red button that says "dont push".
Damn it, what a disgusting read. I quit after 30%.

I don't want to dwell on it, but I had to read it twice. Not because I'm some kind of hardass, but because I was 'reading' but not 'comprehending' the first time due to shock. I actually had to re-read that to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me.

Stunned.

[Lord Pounder]

Not meaning to sound like an intarwebs tough guy but this bastard deserves to be hung.

Fucking animal boasted on the phone that he would charm a jury and blame drug abuse. Then the sick cunt got his design company to produce t-shirts to capitalise on the situation. Every time one of the Lost Prophets songs was played in the news the bastard profited.

I read that Watkins's home town are erasing the LP lyrics carved on the paving stone. That's exactly right, erase the bastard from history.

[Iroscato]

I never have and never will condone the death penalty, for any reason. But I cannot deny I'd feel a grim sense of satisfaction watching this piece of shit swinging from a rope...

[mr friendly guy]

Thanks for the heads up. I guess I won't be reading it.

On another note, the idiots are out in force as an English businessman with the same name as Watkins (even though he looks nowhere alike) was abused on twitter. It gets better. Another singer by the name of Ian Watkins (from the band Steps) has had his picture posted along with stories of the Lost Prophets member. Never mind that they kind of don't look alike either.

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[Dark Hellion]

The thing I find very disturbing is that his actions are not typical of a relatively young pedophile. Most pedophiles (even non-sexually specific pedophiles) have a tendency towards rationalizing their behaviors and manipulating the situation to reduce their self-perceived culpability. Watkins didn't do either which leads to two very disturbing thoughts:

1) He has been committing pedophilic crimes for a sufficient amount of time to build in both the self-rationalization and the fantasies necessary for such bold and depraved acts or:
2) He is not a pedophile at all, simply a sociopath who committed these crimes because he could.

Neither is an appealing prospect.

[Broomstick]

He couldn't be both? A sociopathic pedophile with guiltless impulses? (Yes, that is a horrifying thought...)

[Dark Hellion]

That is probably true either way, Broomstick. The thing I was more focused on was the fact that the "fantasies" were very developed and acted upon for someone who would generally be an early career pedophile. His actions are very atypical and either point towards a history that may come out in trial or that his problems go far beyond simply being a pedophile.

An aside, there have been a number of cases in the past few years of celebrities in Britain being charged with sex crimes. Is there some aspect of British culture that makes it particularly easy or is it just a coincidence? I don't really know a huge amount about British pop culture so I am just curious if there is something more going on or if this is just bad pattern recognition.

[Spekio]

Don't want to appear to be an internet psychologist, but does anyone get the impression he didn't get off by having sex with the infants per se, but more with the degradation of babies and their mothers?

[Broomstick]

An aside, there have been a number of cases in the past few years of celebrities in Britain being charged with sex crimes. Is there some aspect of British culture that makes it particularly easy or is it just a coincidence?

It may be that it's harder to hide these days in British culture. There are times and places where child sexual abuse is rampant but is either seen as no big deal, the "right" of rich and powerful, or simply dismissed as not important.

[madd0ct0r]

An aside, there have been a number of cases in the past few years of celebrities in Britain being charged with sex crimes. Is there some aspect of British culture that makes it particularly easy or is it just a coincidence? I don't really know a huge amount about British pop culture so I am just curious if there is something more going on or if this is just bad pattern recognition.

JImmy Saville triggered Operation Yewtree, which is still running and still scooping up people, albeit mostly media guys who had sex with underage girls back in the 70's.

After the Jimmy Saville case broke, a lot of people came forward with stuff they'd kept secret, and it's all tricking out now.