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Bats dropping from trees as record heat wave grips Australia
Record temperatures wreaking havoc on animals.
Bats dropping from trees as record heat wave grips Australia

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Heat-stressed baby Flying Foxes are lined up ready to feed at the Australia Bat Clinic near the Gold Coast in Queensland, Australia, Thursday.
By: Rod McGuirk The Associated Press, Published on Thu Jan 09 2014

CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA—Bats are dropping from trees, kangaroos are collapsing in the Outback and gardens are turning brown. While North America freezes under record polar temperatures, the southern hemisphere is experiencing the opposite extreme as heat records are being set in Australia after the hottest year ever.

Weather forecasters in Australia said some parts of the sparsely populated Pilbara region along the rugged northwest coast on Thursday were approaching 50 C (122 F). The record high of 50.7 C (123.3 F) was set in 1960 in Oodnadatta, South Australia state.

Outback resident Gian Tate, 60, spends much of the day soaking in a small wading pool at her home near Emu Creek in the Pilbara region, a remote area off the electric grid. The thermometer outside her home registered 50 C (122 F) on Wednesday, she said. Tate and her husband rely on two electric fans to cope with the oven-like heat and rarely turn on the small air conditioner in their bedroom because of the high cost of fuel to run their generator.

“We’ve just got to live with it; there’s nothing you can do,” she said.

Brazil is also sizzling, with the heat index reaching 49 C (120 F). Zookeepers in Rio de Janeiro were giving animals ice pops to beat the heat.

The late arrival of the monsoon in northern Australia, which has a cooling effect, is contributing to the searing heat, said Karly Braganza, the manager of climate monitoring at the Bureau of Meteorology. Global warming also is playing a role, he said.

So far, this year’s heat wave, which started around Christmas and has moved counterclockwise across Australia’s north, is not as extensive or prolonged as last year’s. But it would likely continue and move toward South Australia state, Braganza predicted.

“Certainly looking at the forecast over the next week, it’s looking like that heat is going to continue,” he said.

Since Dec. 27, records have been set at 34 locations across Australia — some by large margins — where temperature data has been collected for at least 40 years mostly in Queensland and New South Wales states. In the mining town of Narrabi in New South Wales, the new record of 47.8 C (118 F) exceeded the previous record by 3.6 C (6.5 F)

The extreme temperatures come on the heels of Australia’s hottest year on record, beating the previous record year of 2005, with mean temperatures 1.2 C (2.2 F) above the 1961-90 average.

The heat wave in Australia has taken a toll on wildlife, too.

In Winton, famous for being one of the hottest spots in Queensland and also the place where Australia’s unofficial anthem “Waltzing Matilda” was penned, a “large number” of parrots, kangaroos and emus have recently been found dead in the parched landscape, said Tom Upton, chief executive of Winton Shire Council.

“That’s as much to do with the extended dry as it is with the heat wave,” he said.

At least 50,000 bats had been killed by the heat in the state’s southeast, said Louise Saunders, president of the Queensland animal welfare group Bat Conservation and Rescue.

Heat-stressed bats — including the Black Flying Foxes, Little Red Flying Foxes and the endangered Grey-Headed Flying Foxes — cling to trees and urinate on themselves in a bid to reduce their body temperatures, she said.

“As they succumb, they just fall in heaps at the base of trees,” Saunders said. “You can have 250 or more — it’s like dripping chocolate — all dying at the base of trees.”

“It’s an enormous animal welfare concern,” she added.

At Emu Creek, Tate says the leaves have gone brown in her garden, despite watering. The heat keeps her awake at night.

It also makes her husband’s job of hunting kangaroos at night easier because they gather around wells that provide water for cattle. (Kangaroo meat is sold to consumers in Australia.)

“You don’t have to hunt them,” she said. “Every single kangaroo at night time would be around the water.”
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Bats eat a lot of insects so I imagine this will cause a problem in itself
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Flying Foxes are fruit eaters
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Poor little bats...

And the next time someone in the Northern Hemisphere makes a crack about "Global Warming", I'm gonna point to Austrailia.
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LadyTevar wrote:Poor little bats...

And the next time someone in the Northern Hemisphere makes a crack about "Global Warming", I'm gonna point to Austrailia.
So those same scientists who say that my parents are monkeys are telling me it is hot in places that I've never even heard of? I may not have a fancy degree, but when I go outside it is cold. Some things you just don't get from book learnin.
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Poe's law. I'm honestly not sure if blahface is presenting a clever parody of a parochial village-idiot (because surely no one could possibly this dumb) or if he is one (because people can always surprise you.)
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Ahriman238 wrote:....

Poe's law. I'm honestly not sure if blahface is presenting a clever parody of a parochial village-idiot (because surely no one could possibly this dumb) or if he is one (because people can always surprise you.)
I read that as parody. Granted that's the only post I've seen though ...
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I don't want to shut them up but want to know if there is a way we can get the population in general to understand that they are talking out their butts
In a discussion on a military board with somebody crying about incandescent bulbs being banned and replaced by CFL.
I showed the math that a CFL will pay for itself in less than 2 months.
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Kitsune wrote:I don't want to shut them up but want to know if there is a way we can get the population in general to understand that they are talking out their butts
In a discussion on a military board with somebody crying about incandescent bulbs being banned and replaced by CFL.
I showed the math that a CFL will pay for itself in less than 2 months.
I know this is a bit off topic. But given that I am a CFL hater my self I'd like to see that math.
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These are from that discussion. . . .Hope that is alright
I just went over to the Home Depot website. . . .6 pack 60 watt incandescent $3.97
That is $.67 a bulb. . .

I use economy CFL around my home
4 pack 60 watt equivalent . . . . .$5.97
Even that is $1.49 a bulb

Operating cost:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/201 ... story.html
The average annual operating cost of a 60-watt incandescent bulb is $8.74, said Kara McMillen, Dayton Power & Light’s residential program manager. In comparison, the operating cost of an equivalent 13-watt CFL is $1.89.

I did a bit of calculating and a CFL will pay for itself in two months . . . .Total cost after two months is $3.45 CFL vs $3.53 for Incandescent.

(Basically just cost of light bulb plus cost per year divided by 6 for two months)
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Kitsune wrote:These are from that discussion. . . .Hope that is alright
I just went over to the Home Depot website. . . .6 pack 60 watt incandescent $3.97
That is $.67 a bulb. . .

I use economy CFL around my home
4 pack 60 watt equivalent . . . . .$5.97
Even that is $1.49 a bulb

Operating cost:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/201 ... story.html
The average annual operating cost of a 60-watt incandescent bulb is $8.74, said Kara McMillen, Dayton Power & Light’s residential program manager. In comparison, the operating cost of an equivalent 13-watt CFL is $1.89.

I did a bit of calculating and a CFL will pay for itself in two months . . . .Total cost after two months is $3.45 CFL vs $3.53 for Incandescent.

(Basically just cost of light bulb plus cost per year divided by 6 for two months)
I see one issue with that. Namely, did you account for the fact that CFL's tend to give of a less bright shine and thus I need more of them to achieve the same level of light? At least that is my experience with them.
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Eh? My canister bulbs (the kind that get mounted in the ceiling, like in many kitchens) may start off dim, but by the time they've "heated up" there is no discernible difference between them and the old hot wire bulbs. Some people don't like the "soft-white" style of bulb, preferring a more yellow light, but they sell more natural-light CFLs.

In any case, if you were getting by with 60-watt incandecent bulbs, you can always put in 100-watt equivalent CFLs and more than make up the difference in light at a fraction of the electricity use and money saved in not heating your home with hot bulbs.

The days of shitty CFLs that put out poor/flickering light are pretty much gone.
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TheFeniX wrote:Eh? My canister bulbs (the kind that get mounted in the ceiling, like in many kitchens) may start off dim, but by the time they've "heated up" there is no discernible difference between them and the old hot wire bulbs.
That's my problem actually. I tried using them and every time the result was the same. I tend to keep the lights off in rooms when I am not not using them. In fact, I tend to not even turn the lights on in a room I am in unless I need to find something. And that means that 9 times out of 10 by the time they heat up enough for all things to be equal I tend to either finish what I was doing in a room or ragequit out of frustration. This is especially important for certain rooms in the house...
Some people don't like the "soft-white" style of bulb, preferring a more yellow light, but they sell more natural-light CFLs.
I've newer seen one that looks decent.
In any case, if you were getting by with 60-watt incandecent bulbs, you can always put in 100-watt equivalent CFLs and more than make up the difference in light at a fraction of the electricity use and money saved in not heating your home with hot bulbs.
Is it really saving any money if I plug in a stronger light that uses more power and have to use more of them since I can't wait for minutes for them to heat up? The later is my prime argument for the cost efficiency angle.
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The Phillips brand tend to take a while to brighten up but the economy brand which Home Depot sells seem to brighten instantly. I also notice that Phillips brand tend to die more otten than the economy brand

Try a few different brands is my suggestion andprobably not Phillips
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No don't use Phillips, try GE.
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Purple wrote:That's my problem actually. I tried using them and every time the result was the same. I tend to keep the lights off in rooms when I am not not using them. In fact, I tend to not even turn the lights on in a room I am in unless I need to find something. And that means that 9 times out of 10 by the time they heat up enough for all things to be equal I tend to either finish what I was doing in a room or ragequit out of frustration. This is especially important for certain rooms in the house...
You ragequit because bulbs? Whatever, that doesn't change that CFLs are the better choice for energy saving.
Is it really saving any money if I plug in a stronger light that uses more power and have to use more of them since I can't wait for minutes for them to heat up? The later is my prime argument for the cost efficiency angle.
Your argument doesn't change facts. Even if you were to plug in a 200-watt equivalent CFL, you would still be using, on average, 1/4 to 1/5 to power of an equivalent incandescent. If you don't like them, that's fine. But the convenience of not having to wait 1-30 seconds for a bulb to "heat up" does not make them any less efficient.
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TheFeniX wrote:
Is it really saving any money if I plug in a stronger light that uses more power and have to use more of them since I can't wait for minutes for them to heat up? The later is my prime argument for the cost efficiency angle.
Your argument doesn't change facts. Even if you were to plug in a 200-watt equivalent CFL, you would still be using, on average, 1/4 to 1/5 to power of an equivalent incandescent. If you don't like them, that's fine. But the convenience of not having to wait 1-30 seconds for a bulb to "heat up" does not make them any less efficient.
In honesty, the only bulks that take time to warm up as far as CFL are the Phillips
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How does LED lighting compare to CFLs ?
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Kitsune wrote:In honesty, the only bulks that take time to warm up as far as CFL are the Phillips
The floodlight/canister ones tend to. But I just think it's funny that, even if they ALL took 30 seconds to power to full brightness, how silly are you to blow hundreds of dollars a year because you can't wait around for 30 seconds? It's like an Alabama song.
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bilateralrope wrote:How does LED lighting compare to CFLs ?
Use slightly less power, put out a more pure light, cost about 15x as much.
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bilateralrope wrote:How does LED lighting compare to CFLs ?
Better, in my experience.

I'm using dimmable LEDs in most rooms of the house I spend significant time in. They're brighter and give a whiter light. Much nicer for reading to especially.

Bulbs are expensive, but they have long lifetimes and the power use is super low (mine are 40w equivalent, 2w actual usage, I have a rack of 4 in the living room and 3 in the bedroom, and when I've done decorating the dining room there'll be another 4 in there.)
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Purple wrote:That's my problem actually. I tried using them and every time the result was the same. I tend to keep the lights off in rooms when I am not not using them. In fact, I tend to not even turn the lights on in a room I am in unless I need to find something. And that means that 9 times out of 10 by the time they heat up enough for all things to be equal I tend to either finish what I was doing in a room or ragequit out of frustration. This is especially important for certain rooms in the house...

I've newer seen one that looks decent.
The problem with them is, cheapest, worst made in china ones do emit slightly unnatural light and take a bit to brighten, but a touch more expensive ones are virtually as good as light bulbs. Check the box, it should have light spectrum shined (in K equivalent), just find one you like and use these. True, light bulb didn't need two minutes of research but I find it good trade off for longevity and low energy use.
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LEDs are ridiculously expensive right now. Going to be interesting seeing how the shutdown on manufacturing standard light bulbs in the US will affect prices on alternative bulbs.

Illustration: A single bulb, say 40w, LED, cheapest kind you can get at Home Depot, is... minimum price $10. That's for only one bulb. You could get a dozen or more for that price of regular incandescent bulbs of decent quality. Equivalent CFL's, meanwhile, are... mmm... I believe $4 for a pack of, I think, 3 (I'm using Home Depot as an example because I work there). Might be $5 for a pack of 4? I'm a little hazy on that as i don't work the electrical department too often.

So are retailers going to start importing standard incandescent bulbs from overseas, accepting what will probably be a fair loss in shipping damages and marking them up to compensate? Or are they just going to say 'screw it' and end up bringing down the price of alternatives? Will they keep the prices high in order to drive profits up as demand rises as people burn through their standards?

It's an interesting question... I know I've got a few light bulbs in my house that could stand replacing...
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How does the cost of LEDs compare once you factor in the price of electricity they use ?
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There is not much difference in cost between power consumption between a CFL and LED
That said, I just bought my first LED light bulb
I work nights usually and when I need to sleep at night, I prefer some light
I bought a 25 watt equivalent LED (3 watt) because there were no regular type CFLs in that size.
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