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Yet another Benghazi report that says "NO Coverup"

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Recently, a Scathing senate report on Benghazi reported a host of fuck ups and bad information regarding the incident.
It even suggests that maybe MAYBE the whole thing actually was preventable.
One would think the GOP and the far right would be cheering this! Would be saying AHA! We told you!.
Well, they aren't...

The Senate Intelligence Committee finally released on Wednesday a long-delayed report on the embassy attack in Benghazi, Libya, and the top-line findings are a harsh critique of both the intelligence community and the State Department.

In the most jarring conclusion, the bipartisan report concludes the attacks could have been stopped.

"The attacks were preventable, based on extensive intelligence reporting on the terrorist activity in Libya — to include prior threats and attacks against Western targets — and given the known security shortfalls at the U.S. Mission," the report says.

The report goes on, in great detail, to lay out how poor communication between intelligence agencies and the State Department allowed the threat of an attack to go undetected. And it finds that, despite warnings about the increased likelihood of an attack, the State Department failed to increase security that could have mitigated the damage.

What the report does not find, however, is evidence to substantiate the most politically-charged claims surrounding the attacks: That the Obama administration tried to cover up the involvement of terrorists. On the contrary, it says the intelligence community was wrong from the outset, and that the White House only passed along the incorrect information it received before the talking points were revised.

"ntelligence analysts inaccurately referred to the presence of a protest at the Mission facility before the attack based on open source information and limited intelligence, but without sufficient intelligence or eyewitness statements to corroborate that assertion," the report says. "The IC took too long to correct these erroneous reports, which caused confusion and influenced the public statements of policymakers."

In other words, it wasn't a cover-up; it was bunk intel.

Then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice claimed days after the attacks that they were the result of "spontaneous demonstrations" over an anti-Muslim film. That the administration later walked back that claim and admitted the attacks had terrorist origins, some believed, indicated there was a cover-up afoot.

In an appendix to the report, the Democrats on the committee lament that "no issue related to Benghazi has been as mischaracterized as the unclassified talking points prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency."

The Majority believes that the CIA talking points were flawed but — as discussed in the report — painted a mostly accurate picture of the IC's analysis of the Benghazi attacks at that time, in an unclassified form and without compromising the nascent investigation of the attacks by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In retrospect, the talking points could have and should have been clearer. As discussed below, omissions and wording choices contributed to significant controversy and confusion, as did an erroneous reference to "demonstrations." In addition, the Administration was slow to provide details explaining the drafting and editing process that produced the talking points. Speculation and conspiracy theories about the details could have been mitigated if the factual record of how the talking points were produced was provided sooner to this Committee and to the public. [PDF]

To be sure, the harsh words about the State Department are quite serious on their own, cover-up or not. And Republicans will still use those findings to assail the president and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is already roping her back into the story and questioning her leadership.

The GOP members on the committee say in their own statement appended to the report that "one of the biggest failures is the Administration's complete refusal or inability to attain accountability — from the attackers themselves and from those U.S. Government officials who made poor management decisions relating to the Benghazi facilities."

So even though the report disputes cover-up claims, don't expect the Benghazi story to go away just yet.
Again, you would think the GOP would be sining the praises of this report. And some of them are naturally. But the part base however is shocked SHOCKED That there is nothing about the coverup they all KNOW happened! Indeed they are saying there is a coverup for the coverup!
So, of course it's a lie, just like all the lies from Obama and from the Leftist Democrats.
Obama and Hillary both lied and told the American people that it was because of a YouTube video, - over and over again. The Benghazi lie is one of Obama's worst and most outrageous lies. When they both KNEW it was a planned terrorist attack.
Bipartisan report says Obama regime knew right away it was a terrorist attack, yet they went on for weeks about a youtube video and have done everything possible to obfuscate what really happened, yet no coverup? OK libtards, whatever you say :)
This report is reporting is exasperating. They are obviously a part of the PR team that get its talking points from the White House Press Corp each day. If they were a fair journalist they would have found out BEFORE the election that their Benghazi talking points weren't true
I have said it before and I'll say it again...
The obsession, yes Obsession of the right to turn Obama from a 'bad' president, to cackling Super Villian that is somehow the evil mastermind behind EVERYTHING, has and is dooming their efforts to make any lasting damage on often valid issues.
The "fast and Furious" debacle, the NSA wiretapping, the mismanaging of the ACA website, and of course Benghazi.
In each case there are VALID fuckups by the administration. But somehow it's not enough that someone fucked up. No, It HAS to be an evil conspiracy masterminded by Obama!!! It as him PERSONALLY who gave the word to sell guns to drug smugglers! it was HIM who, no doubt cackling madly, denied sending troops to Benghazi knowing that it was a terrorist attack!!!

The level at which they view Obama is staggering and one can only assume it is because in their minds, everything wrong with America MUST be his fault!
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How is Fast and Furious an Obama fuckup when it started under Bush and was shut down by Holder?
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Flagg wrote:How is Fast and Furious an Obama fuckup when it started under Bush and was shut down by Holder?
Everything is an Obama fuckup. He's the Tea Party's scapegoat for everything, didn't you know?
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Borgholio wrote:
Flagg wrote:How is Fast and Furious an Obama fuckup when it started under Bush and was shut down by Holder?
Everything is an Obama fuckup. He's the Tea Party's scapegoat for everything, didn't you know?
They aren't even people. I was asking Crossroads specifically because he mentioned that as being an Obama debacle.
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Flagg wrote:How is Fast and Furious an Obama fuckup when it started under Bush and was shut down by Holder?
You have been corrected on this multiple times by multiple posters. Fast and Furious regardless of whether you think it is good or bad, scandal or no, cover up or not, high level or low level was contained entirely within Obama's term starting in October 2009.

Gun walking tactics predate him, Fast and Furious does not. I assume this is where your perception of this comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwal ... nd_Furious
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Patroklos wrote:
Flagg wrote:How is Fast and Furious an Obama fuckup when it started under Bush and was shut down by Holder?
You have been corrected on this multiple times by multiple posters. Fast and Furious regardless of whether you think it is good or bad, scandal or no, cover up or not, high level or low level was contained entirely within Obama's term starting in October 2009.

Gun walking tactics predate him, Fast and Furious does not. I assume this is where your perception of this comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwal ... nd_Furious
Can I see some evidence that I've been "corrected" on this... Ever?
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http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9&start=25

Beowulf points out this error to you and others in the Bridgegate thread after the same claim was made there (including by you). Perhaps you had not returned to it to see his response?

Regardless the point stands F&F was entirely an Obama administration timeframe operation as a simple point of fact that has been reported otherwise by many. I am not interested in hashing out blame here and now.
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Christ my memory is shit. As far as the gun walking shit goes, while you're correct that F&F was started in '09 the gun walking scheme that spawned it started under Bush and F&F was just a continuation of that insanity. But since you're correct, point conceded.
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It was not only a continuation, it was an escalation- a larger operation in which the Obama administration took Bush's screwup and compounded it by screwing up harder.

Sort of like, oh, the ongoing drone war, or the massive NSA wiretap programs.
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Just of note, on the conservative board they try to use this same report to argue that there was a coverup.
I have not discussed anything on that board for a week or so due to some of the crazy twisting that was done with global warming.
Just too much to deal with at the moment.
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...why in the world would the Obama administration try to cover up terrorist activity?

Granted the mob was probably more improvised than anything, taking advantage of the current drama with the Mohammed film, but my understanding is that there was a direct attack on the American mission that was initially mislabeled as part of the demonstration and then the administration had to go "Oh yeah, we screwed up, it was actually terrorists"... A screw-up by the government is now "evidence" of a "coverup"? Is that basically what it is?
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It is a good idea to sometimes see what conservatives are arguing
http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.c ... uAkjrQo40Y
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You're popular there, I see.

With characters like that there is little to no chance of reasonable discussion. You can present the facts and argue yourself blue in the face, but it won't change that they believe Democrats and Obama are the ultimate enemy of Freedom and Justice or whatever bollocks they've come up with lately. If you keep on long enough, they're going to just label you a liberal malcontent who doesn't understand the Real World (TM) and can't see the Truth (C). Same attitude as the racist governments of the Southern states who let anti-segregationists get beaten and killed because they were "agitators".

All you can hope is that other people are going to be more reasonable...
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My bad feeling is that they might not be the worst conservatives going down the rabbit hole.
Running into a situation where we cannot just disagree.
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I always find it amusing how conservatives seem to think that international politics works about the same way as high school. That thread is full of people muttering about how Republicans are good for America (and "citizen-controlled democracy") because they are willing to stand up to the terrorist bullies and aren't afraid to fight, blah blah blah. Are all conservative loonies just bitter that they aren't as cool now as they were back when they were the offensive lineman for their high school football team?
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Well, these guys are military. . . .They don't blame Ike / US Military for not noticing the German buildup before the Battle of the Bulge.
They understand that you often get so much intelligence that you don't know what is real or fake. I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt with Weapons of Mass Destruction until I learned how much fishing was involved in creating that evidence,
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Kitsune wrote:Well, these guys are military. . . .They don't blame Ike / US Military for not noticing the German buildup before the Battle of the Bulge.
They understand that you often get so much intelligence that you don't know what is real or fake. I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt with Weapons of Mass Destruction until I learned how much fishing was involved in creating that evidence,
That's utterly ridiculous. I'm sorry but you never under any circumstances give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who wants to invade a country that has shown no signs of aggression for over a decade after their military was virtually obliterated.
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Flagg wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Well, these guys are military. . . .They don't blame Ike / US Military for not noticing the German buildup before the Battle of the Bulge.
They understand that you often get so much intelligence that you don't know what is real or fake. I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt with Weapons of Mass Destruction until I learned how much fishing was involved in creating that evidence,
That's utterly ridiculous. I'm sorry but you never under any circumstances give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who wants to invade a country that has shown no signs of aggression for over a decade after their military was virtually obliterated.
Then I was wrong. . .Will not be the first or last time
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Ye go easy on the Kid Flagg.
These days it's a bit more important that someone ACTUALLY ADMITS they are wrong, rather than not being dipped in the first place... This IS America we are taking about.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:Ye go easy on the Kid Flagg.
These days it's a bit more important that someone ACTUALLY ADMITS they are wrong, rather than not being dipped in the first place... This IS America we are taking about.
We aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the world.
Wasn't being hard on him I thought. Oh well if I came off that way it wasn't my intention. I do get annoyed at the idea of people trusting their government and the people that run it though. Especially a government as vast and powerful as the US government.
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Understandable... I was once young and naive like that :P
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Flagg wrote:
Kitsune wrote:They understand that you often get so much intelligence that you don't know what is real or fake. I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt with Weapons of Mass Destruction until I learned how much fishing was involved in creating that evidence,
That's utterly ridiculous. I'm sorry but you never under any circumstances give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who wants to invade a country that has shown no signs of aggression for over a decade after their military was virtually obliterated.
In this case, "benefit of the doubt" seems to mean "thought Bush honestly believed there were WMD in Iraq," not "thought the invasion was a good idea."

And really, if you did not even possess the evidence that he did NOT think there were WMD there... would it be sane to simply assume a priori that the invasion was a cynical attempt to achieve a New American Century wet-dream? Should you default to assuming a conspiracy even without evidence?
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Kitsune wrote:They understand that you often get so much intelligence that you don't know what is real or fake. I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt with Weapons of Mass Destruction until I learned how much fishing was involved in creating that evidence,
That's utterly ridiculous. I'm sorry but you never under any circumstances give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who wants to invade a country that has shown no signs of aggression for over a decade after their military was virtually obliterated.
In this case, "benefit of the doubt" seems to mean "thought Bush honestly believed there were WMD in Iraq," not "thought the invasion was a good idea."

And really, if you did not even possess the evidence that he did NOT think there were WMD there... would it be sane to simply assume a priori that the invasion was a cynical attempt to achieve a New American Century wet-dream? Should you default to assuming a conspiracy even without evidence?
Simon, don't be an idiot. It was obvious to the entire fucking planet except Bush and his pet Brit that there were no WMD in Iraq. There was a decade of inspections that found nothing before the fucking war. Why would they keep conflating Saddam and 9/11 except to drum up a war they knew sketchy evidence of WMD couldn't sell alone? Now, do I believe that they believed they could cobble together enough misplaced or improperly disposed of WMD to assuage the dumbass cowards that make up the bulk of America? That's probable. But if you honestly believe that Bush and his cronies believed they had to go to war with Iraq because of their vast stockpiles of WMD, then why didn't we invade Syria? And we know there was a conspiracy to mislead the American public into a war with Iraq because people at high levels like Richard Clark have pretty much said there was. Lets also not forget PNAC, the Project for a New American Century which... Advocated for invading Iraq and was dreamt up by Bush cronies.
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