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HDP deputies siding with PKK terror may now face legal action

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This will go oh so well...
Five deputies from the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) accused of siding with the PKK terrorist organization through remarks and actions may face legal action in the upcoming period, should Parliament decide to lift their immunities on March 22. Legal proceedings against HDP co-chairs Selahattin Demirtaş and Figen Yüksekdağ, İzmir deputy Ertuğrul Kürkçü, Ankara deputy Sırrı Süreyya Önder and Hakkari deputy Selma Irmak, have been recently submitted to Parliament, and the motion to lift their immunities will reportedly be brought to Parliament's agenda on March 22. The Turkish public seems increasingly frustrated with the HDP and its deputies defending the PKK's terrorist acts, according to recent polls.

The party has long been accused of failing to distance itself from the terrorist organization. Having gained a decent image in the eyes of the public before the June 7 elections with the pledge to be "the party of the whole of Turkey," the HDP's image is now in tatters.

With approval ratings now falling way below 10 percent, which is the national election threshold in Turkey, compared to the unprecedented 13 percent it won in the June 7 elections, the HDP is considered to be paying the price for not standing up against PKK terror.

After the PKK unilaterally returned to armed struggle in July 2015 and turned urban areas in southeastern Turkey into battlefields, the HDP was expected to condemn the PKK's strategy and fulfill its commitments.

HDP Co-Chair Demirtaş in September questioned counterterror operations, saying: "What will you solve by bombing all provinces, just because a few youth took up arms?" He was quickly rebuffed in the media and public due to his alleged justification of youngsters carrying weapons on the streets.

Demirtaş has called for uprisings in the southeastern parts of Turkey many times. In an attempt to make Kurdish people in the region riot against the Turkish state in the face of terror operations against the PKK, Demirtaş attempted to call people to the streets. His calls have found little support.

The other co-chair, Yüksekdağ, also drew heavy criticism for her alleged pro-PKK stance with her remarks. "We lean our backs on the YPJ [Women's Protection Units], YPG [People's Protection Units] and the PYD [Democratic Union Party], and we do not see any harm in mentioning and defending it," she said in July. The PYD and its armed wing YPG are affiliated with the PKK. In addition, the two are reportedly commanded by PKK leaders. Turkish capital Ankara was recently hit by a suicide bombing attack carried out by Abdülbaki Sömer, who fought in YPG ranks in Syria.

Yüksekdağ also praised the PKK and described it as "a national liberation movement and also an organization that stands for democracy and equality." A parliamentarian labeling an organization that targets security forces and civilians democratic and an advocate for equality drew ire in the public.

HDP İzmir deputy Kürkçü is another party member that abstained from reprimanding the PKK violence. PKK terror attacks on Turkish security forces are not "a matter for condemnation," Kürkçü said in a live broadcast on BBC World in August.

Ankara deputy Önder threatened Turkey with war on the grounds of concerns with the security and health of imprisoned PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan at a press conference in Parliament early January. "Imposing isolation on Öcalan and making his people, as well as his organization, worry about his security and health mean an invitation to war," Önder said.

LEGAL PROCEEDINGS FOR OTHERS ALSO ON THE WAYOther legal proceedings against HDP members are pending as well. There are 347 legal proceedings against HDP deputies waiting to be sent to Parliament, according to a report prepared by the Justice Ministry.

The motion to lift HDP deputy Tuba Hezer's immunity is expected to reach Parliament in the upcoming period. Hezer attended a condolence ceremony held for the Ankara suicide bomber, for which she was harshly criticized. The chairmen of the Justice and Development Party (AK Party), Republican People's Party (CHP) and Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) all condemned Hezer, calling her actions treason. The HDP, however, rejected to co-sign a declaration that condemned the suicide bombing and did not launch an investigation into the deputy.

HDP Hakkari deputy Abdullah Zeydan also praised the PKK and threatened the Turkish state. "The PKK has the power to drown Turkey in its spit," he asserted, adding that the Turkish state was "playing with fire." He contended that the PKK is a peaceful organization and able to exterminate Turkey.

HDP Şırnak deputy Faysal Sarıyıldız was accused of supplying arms to the PKK in July 2015. He also late January reportedly attempted to entrap security forces in the Cizre district of Turkey's Şırnak province, claiming that "30 people have been wounded in the basement of a building and cannot reach an ambulance." The claim proved to be a hoax in the end, allegedly made up in order for security members to fall into a trap.

HDP Hakkari deputy Irmak, whose immunity may be lifted, attended a PYD congress late September along with HDP Şanlıurfa deputy Dilek Öcalan, who is a niece of the jailed PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan. Messages from PKK leaders were read loud during the congress as well.

Ziya Çalışkan, a HDP deputy from southeastern Şanlıurfa province, attended the funeral ceremony of one of the two PKK terrorists last summer who attacked the police station in Adana.

Southeastern municipalities administered by the HDP and the HDP's regional affiliate Democratic Regions Party (DBP) have been accused of aiding and abetting the PKK's urban war strategy. Heavy equipment belonging to the municipalities were put at the disposal of PKK terrorists, according to reports.

According to a report released by Van Police Department, covering the period between Aug. 9 to Aug. 18, 20 cell batteries, 100 kilograms of ammonium nitrate and other chemicals used for bomb making were found in a truck belonging to Van Municipality.

There have recently been claims that municipalities administrated by the HDP provide assistance to the PKK by digging trenches and establishing roadblocks to claim control over cities. In Siirt province, the HDP municipality reportedly dug up the roads to enable PKK terrorists to plant mines, and paved it afterwards so that the PKK could detonate the mines when vehicles belonging to the Turkish Army passed by.

'TERRORISTS OR DEPUTIES?'Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ recently commented on the legal proceedings against the five deputies and their aforementioned actions. "Are you a terrorist or deputy that represents the nation?" Bozdağ asked, in reference to Sarılyıldız's actions in the Cizre district of Şırnak. He also asked what Sarıyıldız was doing with terrorists that fire bullets at the Turkish state.

"All these are not tolerated by the Constitution and laws. No one can or should see the parliamentary immunity as the right or freedom to commit crimes," Bozdağ added.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been very vocal on the issue. He repeatedly called for necessary legal action against the deputies, saying: "Necessary steps should be taken at once by political parties against those entering Parliament but spreading terror in it."

The president had also said early January that the parliamentary immunity of Demirtaş and Yüksekdağ should be lifted, which would give a boost to counterterror operations. He rejected however the idea of closing the HDP. "Closure of the party [HDP] should not even be brought to agenda. However, a deputy, mayor or others who commits crimes must pay the price for them," said Erdoğan.
The fact what they are being charged with is true, is immaterial.

The fact CHP and MHP are falling in lockstep with AKP is more interesting.

Erdogan doesn't have enough votes to cram a constitutional change for a Presidential System as HDP has enough members still to cock block it. If CHP and MHP vote with AKP to remove the HDP members listed, that will basically destroy HDP and get Erdogan open seats with which to fill and prep for new elections to solidify his electoral victories.

What did Erdogan offer CHP and MHP to move this forward?

Say what you will about Erdogan, but he is one effective rules lawyer and politician.
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How much time a day do you spend masturbating to Erdogan's islamist fantasies of a Greater Neo-Ottoman Islamic Reich to be built on the bloody ruins of Syria, you dumbass?

"Say what you will about Erdogan, but he is..." Is like "Say what you will about Putin, but he is..."

What is it with you craving for a strong hand and hailing every corrupt authoritarian shithole leader out there? And you have the gall to say Assad is extremely bad, but a strongman craving to usurp power like Putin in a secular nation and drive it to islamist dark-age craziness is totally OK, "effective politician"?

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Erdogan is effective? News to me, he is completely unable to get anything under control in his own country unless the solution is "spray it, jail it,kill it". Maybe that horrible dwarf should stick to financing more Islamic terrorists because there is no way that will come back to bite him in the ass.

The latest "solution", using nationalism and a war to destroy democratic opposition at home (because anything less than a total minority makes the turkish cowards in charge of AKP even less able to perform in bed than usual) is quite probably the most unpatriotic, short-sighted nonsense I have seen in recent years coming out of Turkey, which is saying a lot.
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K. A. Pital wrote:How much time a day do you spend masturbating to Erdogan's islamist fantasies of a Greater Neo-Ottoman Islamic Reich to be built on the bloody ruins of Syria, you dumbass?

"Say what you will about Erdogan, but he is..." Is like "Say what you will about Putin, but he is..."

What is it with you craving for a strong hand and hailing every corrupt authoritarian shithole leader out there? And you have the gall to say Assad is extremely bad, but a strongman craving to usurp power like Putin in a secular nation and drive it to islamist dark-age craziness is totally OK, "effective politician"?

:lol:
Erdogan is not gassing Civilians on live television. He is not mass jailing opponents and killing them and their families. He is not ruling without the consent of the electorate. He is not torturing people to death. He has not banned opposition parties but has gone after people who do break the law in those parties. Nor is Erdogan rigging the elections.

Erdogan has broken the power of the military so it stops couping the democratically elected government and forced it back into the barracks, arresting the Generals who launched Coups and brought them to justice.

Erdogan allowed Kurds to say they were Kurds and speak their own language, and form their own political parties. It is why HDP exists to begin with. Its also why they can vote. In addition Erdogan launched infrastructure projects in Kurdish areas which had long been neglected to bring Kurds jobs. PKK attacked those projects.

Erdogan repealed the laws on acknowledging the Armenian Genocide and then acknowledged it in Armenian, which if the Kemalist were in power would have been illegal. Both for acknowledging it and speaking Armenian.

Erdogan tried peace talks with the PKK, which they violated repeatably, and even gave indirect support to YPG during the Kobani Battle by giving Medical Care, not obstructing US flight patterns, letting FSA Battalions it and the US backed to transit to Kobane, and allowed KDP Peshmerga to assist with Artillery and right now is heavily supporting the KDP Peshmerga in preparation for seizing Mosul.

What did PKK do in return? It murdered two police officers in their sleep and waged war in Turkey's cities using weapons given by America to their Syrian Branch to assault Turkish Citizens and use Syrian Territory as a sanctuary to conduct terrorist attacks in Turkey and attack the US and Turkish backed FSA factions. Compared to Assad or the US for that matter, Erdogan has been pretty restrained putting down the PKK and having the Turkish Military forgo most artillery to minimize civilian deaths which are much lower than militant deaths.

Both you and Thanas main beef with Erdogan is less to do with his policies and more to do with the fact he is openly Muslim.
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So how do you explain the fact that Erdogan's government supplied weapons to Islamists in Syria?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Na ... _in_Turkey

How is that not murdering? Giving weapons to the Army of Conquest, ISIL and Al-Quaeda is not aiding the killing now?

Erdogan also doesn't face ISIL or Army of Conquest, whose goals are to massacre everyone who doesn't follow Sunni hardline Sharia and install a theocratic shithole regime like that of the Taliban or worse. But these are the people Erdogan supports.
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Honorius wrote:Both you and Thanas main beef with Erdogan is less to do with his policies and more to do with the fact he is openly Muslim.
And your evidence of that is where exactly?


I mean, why would we ever have something against a colossal idiot that destabilizes his own nation, then ships weapons to Islamists and then openly turns his state into a dictatorship? No no, both Stas and I have a long record of supporting exactly that kind of behaviour. If only he were not a muslim, we would be supporting him..... :roll:
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As Thanas said, the problem people have with Erdogan is that he's an unscrupulous, power hungry, authoritarian douche bag who is responsible for a ton of deaths and human misery, in his own country and elsewhere, not that he comes in new and improved Muslim flavor.
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Recently his government took over by force of the main opposition newspaper, because they do not like the idea of a free press. The difference between Erdogan and Assad is one of degree, not of kind, and the asshat is doing his damnedest to actually close that gap as fast as he can.
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A reporter who exposed Erdogan's dirty deals, Can Dündar, was arrested and locked up for a year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_D%C3% ... 015_arrest

Erdogan should be thankful to the HDP - they don't let him push with his "presidential authority" plans to putinize Turkey, and so it is very likely that he'll go down in history as a shitty president, not as a usurper who subverted parliamentary democracy to create a one-party state like the Central Asian dictatorships (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc.)
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