Ken Livingstone blames 'embittered Blairite MPs' for antisemitism row

[jwl]

Former London mayor apologises to Jeremy Corbyn for ‘disruption’ but adds: ‘I can’t bring myself to deny the truth’

Ken Livingstone apologises to Jeremy Corbyn for antisemitism row
Jessica Elgot

Ken Livingstone has refused to apologise to the Jewish community for insensitive comments linking Zionism to Adolf Hitler, claiming the crisis at the centre of the Labour party was caused by “embittered old Blairite MPs” and is “not about antisemitism”.

The former mayor of London, speaking on LBC, took the opportunity to publicly say sorry to the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and the party for causing “disruption” but pointedly refused to apologise for his original comments, which he reasserted as “historical facts” on Saturday.

“I’m sorry to Jeremy and the Labour party that I am caught up in this but it wasn’t me that started this problem, this is embittered old Blairites bringing it up,” he said. “I’m sorry if anyone was upset by what I said, I’m sorry for that. But it happens to be a statement of fact.”

Pushed to say whether he regretted bringing the German dictator into the debate, Livingstone said: “I regret mentioning Hitler because it brought up this nonsense.

“I’m sorry that I said that because it’s wasted all this time but I can’t bring myself to deny the truth and I’m not going to do that. I’m sorry it’s caused disruption.”

Earlier in the interview, the former mayor of London appeared to mistakenly cite a statement by the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, in his defence. “This is what annoys me about the degradation of British journalism, no one does any research,” he said.

“Two days before I did that interview [on Thursday], the prime minister of Israel Binyamin Netanyahu is addressing the World Zionist Congress, this is the sentence he says: ‘Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews but only to expel them.’ Now, I haven’t seen that in any British paper, I had to get it off the internet.”

In fact, Livingstone appears to be referring to Netanyahu’s address to the WZC in October last year, where the Israeli PM did not refer to Zionists collaborating with Hitler, but instead was talking about a separate historical incident, accusing the second world war Palestinian grand mufti of Jerusalem of having suggested the genocide of the Jews to the Nazi leader in order to stop them coming to Palestine.

Netanyahu said: “Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they’ll all come here.’ ‘So what should I do with them?’ he asked. He said, ‘Burn them.’”

He was roundly condemned by the Israeli press, members of his own party and opposition, as well as Palestinians. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, was forced to issue a statement clarifying that “responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own”.

Netanyahu later offered a muted clarification of his remarks, which had caused a huge media backlash. “He [Hitler] is responsible for the Final Solution, and he made the decision,” he said after the speech.

Livingstone had been due to host the LBC show on Saturday morning but instead appeared as a guest, after the station decided to remove him as a presenter for the week before the elections because of Ofcom broadcasting rules about political neutrality.

He was suspended from the Labour party on Thursday after claiming Hitler had supported Zionism “before he went mad and ended up killing 6 million Jews”.

He also said “a real antisemite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington. It’s a physical loathing.”

On Friday Livingstone told the Evening Standard that “everything I said yesterday was true”, and said he had evidence to present to the inquiry that Hitler did in fact support Zionism, citing a controversial Marxist historian.

He praised Lenni Brenner, the author of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, and said the book was full of details that he would cite in his defence.

“All the detail is in there. The striking thing that does confirm there was an ongoing dialogue between the Zionists and Nazi government is, in 1935 Hitler passed a law banning any flag being displayed except the swastika and the blue and white Zionist flag, which is pretty amazing.”

Corbyn has announced the creation of an independent inquiry into antisemitism within Labour, led by Shami Chakrabarti.

“Labour is an anti-racist party to its core and has a long and proud history of standing against racism, including antisemitism,” Corbyn told the Guardian on Friday. “I have campaigned against racism all my life and the Jewish community has been at the heart of the Labour party and progressive politics in Britain for more than 100 years.”

This week Naz Shah, the MP for Bradford West, was suspended by Labour over antisemitic Facebook posts from 2014 which suggested Israeli Jews should be transported from the Middle East to the US, and one that urged friends to vote in an online poll about Israel to sway the result, because “the Jews are rallying”.

Shah issued a full apology, both in an op-ed and in a statement in the House of Commons. On Thursday Livingstone took to the airwaves to defend her with his highly criticised link between Hitler and Zionism, and got into a public slanging match with the Labour MP John Mann, who has also been disciplined by the party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mitism-row

[Flagg]

So NuttyYahoo is blaming the Palestinians for the Holocaust? Why am I not surprised he's now resorting to outright fiction in order to justify killing Arabs in Palestine? Oh right, because he's a shit-barfing fuckstick.

[Elfdart]

Livingstone committed the mortal sin of telling the truth, though in a haphazard way.

I read Lenni Brenner's book many years ago. No one has ever disputed the facts: A number of hardcore Zionists had a hard-on for fascism. Jabotinsky admired Franco and Mussolini (both had experience putting uppity Mooslims in their place), but by the late 1930s decided to hold his nose and not hassle the British since he rightly surmised that the Axis was going to make British imperialism look like a day at the beach. Stern, on the other hand, not only continued his attacks on the British (until they shot him in 1940), but his band of killers (LEHI -AKA the Stern Gang) sought to form a pact with the Third Reich. They even announced that they agreed with Hitler's goal of a Europe without Jews*. One of Stern's lieutenants, Yitzhak Shamir, ordered the assassination of Folke Bernadotte.

*Hitler himself said that he agreed with the Zionists' position that a Jew could not really be a true German citizen -that they owed their loyalty to a foreign political movement. This is probably where Livingstone got the notion that Hitler supported Zionism.

[Dartzap]

I'm somewhat baffled where the idea of Israel being immune to critical comment comes from. It's been criticised by governments of all colours here for as long as I remember.

Or is this another bullshite Americanism we've inexplicably imported?

[jwl]

What Ken Livingstone said is absolutely problematic, although I don't think he should stay suspended for it as long as he apologises. In real life, you don't invoke Godwin's law, you especially don't do it when you are talking about Jews/Israelis, and you especially especially don't do it when you are a major political figure. People find it offensive, regardless of how historically correct it is (and my understanding is, there is some dispute on this point).

What I see as even more problematic is his statement that people who hate all Israeli Jews are not anti-semitic. What would happen if Boris Johnson said people who hate all Black Africans are not racist?

Of course, these statements can be attributed to a native insensitivity and to an unfortunate goof in wording respectively, but that's why he needs to apologise, to clear it all up.

[madd0ct0r]

the general reading of the situation in the UK seems to be "Ok, yeah, uh, we don't think he's an actual anti-semite, but for fucks sake we expect our politicians to have better sense of when it useful to open their mouths."

The english labour party have been reasonably successful at attracting votes from (tiny, but concentrated) population whose parents or grandparents came from the sub-continent (bangladesh, pakistan, india) or the middle-east. Post-war, post-colonialism immigrants from the British commonwealth, which in practices means nearly everywhere but mexico. The fact the tories are so overtly dissmissive of 'non white brits' does make it easier for labour, and the inner cities have long been their traditional heartlands too so home team advantage.

This does mean there's a larger portion of activists who don't like Israel much. Being activists, they also tend to be quite mouthy about it. The rest of old white labour have a bunch of activists who are very cynical about american actions (and by extension israel) and inclined to the underdog generally (Palestine). That's the sort of world view Ken Livingstone has. He's a fucking idiot for thinking accusations of anti-Semitism is anything other than a poisoned well in the public discourse though.

[Vendetta]

the general reading of the situation in the UK seems to be "Ok, yeah, uh, we don't think he's an actual anti-semite, but for fucks sake we expect our politicians to have better sense of when it useful to open their mouths."

On the other hand, Zac Goldsmith just trotted out the usual anti-muslim scaremongering about Sadiq Khan along with a picture of the bombed bus from the 7/7 attacks in a two page Daily Mail spread, so "sense" is on holiday from British politics as well.

[madd0ct0r]

Jesus. I had to google to check that wasn't satire: https://twitter.com/dats/status/7267115 ... 05/photo/1

gordon bennet.

[Elfdart]

I'm somewhat baffled where the idea of Israel being immune to critical comment comes from. It's been criticised by governments of all colours here for as long as I remember.

Or is this another bullshite Americanism we've inexplicably imported?

Yes. Which is funny since usually it's American right-wingers who are aping their British counterparts, like all the bullshit about Obama being a Kenyan, anti-British Marxist.

[jwl]

the general reading of the situation in the UK seems to be "Ok, yeah, uh, we don't think he's an actual anti-semite, but for fucks sake we expect our politicians to have better sense of when it useful to open their mouths."

On the other hand, Zac Goldsmith just trotted out the usual anti-muslim scaremongering about Sadiq Khan along with a picture of the bombed bus from the 7/7 attacks in a two page Daily Mail spread, so "sense" is on holiday from British politics as well.

To be fair, reading the article, that seems to be mostly stuff added by the Daily Mail editors rather than Zac Goldsmith himself (unless the author of the article gets to pick the headline and the pictures, but I get the impression this is not the case). The article is mostly on labour's "aggressive socialist" economic policy and Sadiq Khan's u-turns. It does briefly touch on terrorism but it is less "Sadiq Khan is a muslim and therefore a terrorist" and more "Sadiq Khan is a member of the Labour party, which is riddled with terrorist sympathisers", and doesn't mention 7/7. Here's the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ction.html