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First, the CNN article
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/polit ... index.html
Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him

By Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper and Carl Bernstein, CNN

(CNN)Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.

The classified briefings last week were presented by four of the senior-most US intelligence chiefs -- Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, and NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.

One reason the nation's intelligence chiefs took the extraordinary step of including the synopsis in the briefing documents was to make the President-elect aware that such allegations involving him are circulating among intelligence agencies, senior members of Congress and other government officials in Washington, multiple sources tell CNN.

These senior intelligence officials also included the synopsis to demonstrate that Russia had compiled information potentially harmful to both political parties, but only released information damaging to Hillary Clinton and Democrats. This synopsis was not an official part of the report from the intelligence community case about Russian hacks, but some officials said it augmented the evidence that Moscow intended to harm Clinton's candidacy and help Trump's, several officials with knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The two-page synopsis also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.

Sources tell CNN that these same allegations about communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians, mentioned in classified briefings for congressional leaders last year, prompted then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid to send a letter to FBI Director Comey in October, in which he wrote, "It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government -- a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States."

CNN has confirmed that the synopsis was included in the documents that were presented to Mr. Trump but cannot confirm if it was discussed in his meeting with the intelligence chiefs.

The Trump transition team declined repeated requests for comment.

Appearing on Late Night with Seth Meyers, Kellyanne Conway, a senior Trump adviser, dismissed the memos, as unverified and untrue.

CNN has reviewed a 35-page compilation of the memos, from which the two-page synopsis was drawn. The memos have since been published by Buzzfeed. The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats. At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations. But, in preparing this story, CNN has spoken to multiple high ranking intelligence, administration, congressional and law enforcement officials, as well as foreign officials and others in the private sector with direct knowledge of the memos.
Russia denies having "Kompromat" on Donald Trump

Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago.

On the same day that the President-elect was briefed by the intelligence community, the top four Congressional leaders, and chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees -- the so-called "Gang of Eight" -- were also provided a summary of the memos regarding Mr. Trump, according to law enforcement, intelligence and administration sources.

The two-page summary was written without the detailed specifics and information about sources and methods included in the memos by the former British intelligence official. That said, the synopsis was considered so sensitive it was not included in the classified report about Russian hacking that was more widely distributed, but rather in an annex only shared at the most senior levels of the government: President Obama, the President-elect, and the eight Congressional leaders.

CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos -- dated from June through December, 2016 -- to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.
The raw memos on which the synopsis is based were prepared by the former MI6 agent, who was posted in Russia in the 1990s and now runs a private intelligence gathering firm. His investigations related to Mr. Trump were initially funded by groups and donors supporting Republican opponents of Mr. Trump during the GOP primaries, multiple sources confirmed to CNN. Those sources also said that once Mr. Trump became the nominee, further investigation was funded by groups and donors supporting Hillary Clinton.

Spokespeople for the FBI and the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment. Officials who spoke to CNN declined to do so on the record given the classified nature of the material.

Some of the allegations were first reported publicly in Mother Jones one week before the election.

One high level administration official told CNN, "I have a sense the outgoing administration and intelligence community is setting down the pieces so this must be investigated seriously and run down. I think [the] concern was to be sure that whatever information was out there is put into the system so it is evaluated as it should be and acted upon as necessary."
Next, the link to a PDF of the 35 page report mentioned in the article above
https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... ations.pdf

The fun part is on the first 2 pages. Allegedly, Trump hired Russian prostitutes to perform a golden showers show for him on a bed that Obama slept in, in a room that's known to be monitored by Russian intelligence.
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Pretty much everyone is dismissing the report as bullshit. But even if it's not true it's going to haunt Trump for the next four years for the golden showers alone. It's his cigar.
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The Buzz Feed report is a distraction at this point given its unverifiable nature. Meanwhile Trump's plan to curb his conflict of interests does anything but and his ridiculous cabinet choices get to fly in under the radar.

I will say the only reason the latest report is getting any traction is Trump's complete inability to adhere to worthwhile ethical standards or reveal anything meaningful about his business interests. It's very easy to believe wild claims when tax returns aren't revealed and Trump cites Russian denials as his source in a Press conference.
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General Zod wrote:Pretty much everyone is dismissing the report as bullshit. But even if it's not true it's going to haunt Trump for the next four years for the golden showers alone. It's his cigar.
It will haunt someone, but not Trump. This will be the like the birth certificate thing that will bounce around the internet with people who were never going to like him anyway and just serves as an intelligence test for which opposition to take seriously.

With the added bonus that Buzzfeed shot itself in the foot. Its hilarious it every passed as a news source for any group of people, but this pretty much ensures it remains nothing more than the fake news click bait factory most knew it still was.
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Patroklos wrote:It will haunt someone, but not Trump. This will be the like the birth certificate thing that will bounce around the internet with people who were never going to like him anyway and just serves as an intelligence test for which opposition to take seriously.

With the added bonus that Buzzfeed shot itself in the foot. Its hilarious it every passed as a news source for any group of people, but this pretty much ensures it remains nothing more than the fake news click bait factory most knew it still was.
I don't know if you know this, but the champion of that birth certificate bullshit is 8 days from being president. So...
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Patroklos wrote:
General Zod wrote:Pretty much everyone is dismissing the report as bullshit. But even if it's not true it's going to haunt Trump for the next four years for the golden showers alone. It's his cigar.
It will haunt someone, but not Trump. This will be the like the birth certificate thing that will bounce around the internet with people who were never going to like him anyway and just serves as an intelligence test for which opposition to take seriously.

With the added bonus that Buzzfeed shot itself in the foot. Its hilarious it every passed as a news source for any group of people, but this pretty much ensures it remains nothing more than the fake news click bait factory most knew it still was.
Trump pretty much went apeshit on Twitter when this document was leaked, so I'd say he's going to be fuming for awhile. Oh, and a Senator just called for a CNN reporter to be fired for asking questions, so yay.
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Interestingly, the guy who created this has gone on the run. He apparently gathered the information from sources inside Russia from his MI6 days.

He may have been fed false information though and he had a vested interest in putting as much info in the report he was being paid for. But still not dismissing it entirely out of hand just becasue Trump and Russia deny it. Not really believing it either.
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Reeks of bullshit unless there is an actual tape released. Even then I wonder if we are not past the point where hugh profile targets can claim CGI did it. CNN even had a tweet with the pic from Kanye Wests video for a few hours.
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Funny then how CNN journalists asking questions about Donnie Douchebag's relationship with Russia has been blacklisted. Time for a Military Coup.*

*That's a joke for the many too stupid to breath crowd.
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General Zod wrote:Trump pretty much went apeshit on Twitter when this document was leaked, so I'd say he's going to be fuming for awhile. Oh, and a Senator just called for a CNN reporter to be fired for asking questions, so yay.
That conniption on Trump's part did result in a particularly dumb tweet where he tried to use some Russian official denying that they're blackmailing him as proof that the allegations are false. Because if the Kremlin were actually blackmailing him, they would totally tell us that.

As a side note, what's the difference between a chickpea and a lentil?

Donald Trump wouldn't pay $10,000 to watch a lentil.
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Civil War Man wrote:
General Zod wrote:Trump pretty much went apeshit on Twitter when this document was leaked, so I'd say he's going to be fuming for awhile. Oh, and a Senator just called for a CNN reporter to be fired for asking questions, so yay.
That conniption on Trump's part did result in a particularly dumb tweet where he tried to use some Russian official denying that they're blackmailing him as proof that the allegations are false. Because if the Kremlin were actually blackmailing him, they would totally tell us that.

As a side note, what's the difference between a chickpea and a lentil?

Donald Trump wouldn't pay $10,000 to watch a lentil.
Trump going apeshit on Twitter (probably while a prostitute is giving him a blumpkin in a public restroom) isn't even newsworthy until he uses it to declare war on Iran while his Secretary of Denfense "General Mad Dog" (where's Michael Vick when you need him?*) is in the next stall getting a blumpkin from the ghost of George Patton.

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For what it's worth, Paul Wood at BBC says that an intelligence officer from one of the Eastern European countries says that the FSB has multiple videos of Trump engaging with prostitutes*, dating back to 2013 and before.

*given his behavior in the 1990s, it's not so entirely far fetched.
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Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
And they wouldn't care because "dem niggers!"
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Flagg wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
And they wouldn't care because "dem niggers!"
Also, people voted for the guy knowing he bragged about sexual assault. Is footage of Trump with a prostitute going to affect anything with his supporters?
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Gandalf wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
And they wouldn't care because "dem niggers!"
Also, people voted for the guy knowing he bragged about sexual assault. Is footage of Trump with a prostitute going to affect anything with his supporters?
He said it best himself. He could shoot someone in Times Square and he wouldn't lose any voters.
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What I find odd about this story is that Obama supposedly stayed in a room that was monitored by the FSB as President.
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Gandalf wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
And they wouldn't care because "dem niggers!"
Also, people voted for the guy knowing he bragged about sexual assault. Is footage of Trump with a prostitute going to affect anything with his supporters?
Yeah, they'll have something new to masturbate to while their dog and/or wife licks their asshole.
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Gandalf wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't find out some day that the duty hooker at Trump Tower managed to filch a pile of classified documents Trumpolini left lying around.

I really doubt that anyone, including the Trump voters, would be startled to learn that this had happened.
And they wouldn't care because "dem niggers!"
Also, people voted for the guy knowing he bragged about sexual assault. Is footage of Trump with a prostitute going to affect anything with his supporters?
What I want to know is the ages of the prostitutes, given some of the past allegations against, and comments by, Trump.
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Raj Ahten wrote:The Buzz Feed report is a distraction at this point given its unverifiable nature. Meanwhile Trump's plan to curb his conflict of interests does anything but and his ridiculous cabinet choices get to fly in under the radar.
Indeed. I mean, even if it would be true, so fucking what? This non-news is a gift for Trump that distracts from the real important issues like the appointments of all the crazies that'll make up his government. Did the appointment of a vaccine denier as head of the national vaccine commicion even hit the news?
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The prostitutes may be irrelevant, because unless it turns out their was something non-consensual or something like that, its nothing we didn't already know about Trump.

The accusation that Russia essentially has a blackmail file on the new President-elect, and the continuing allegations of their intervention to support Trump during the election, are far more significant, and deserving of every bit of press they get and then some.

Of course, so are the conflict of interest issues and Trump's cabinet choices.
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Adam Reynolds wrote:What I find odd about this story is that Obama supposedly stayed in a room that was monitored by the FSB as President.
Wouldn't it be odder if the Russian intelligence service didn't monitor Obama while he was in Russia?
The Romulan Republic wrote:The accusation that Russia essentially has a blackmail file on the new President-elect, and the continuing allegations of their intervention to support Trump during the election, are far more significant, and deserving of every bit of press they get and then some.
I find it highly unlikely that Russia has blackmail material on Trump because that would require them to know something Trump is afraid of having made public. Trump seems to believe he could murder people in cold blood and rape a baby on live television without negative personal consequences, and all indications are that he is right. Hard to imagine what they could have that's so bad they could successfully threaten him with it.
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Ralin wrote:I find it highly unlikely that Russia has blackmail material on Trump because that would require them to know something Trump is afraid of having made public. Trump seems to believe he could murder people in cold blood and rape a baby on live television without negative personal consequences, and all indications are that he is right. Hard to imagine what they could have that's so bad they could successfully threaten him with it.
Trump has shown many times over that he is beyond terrified of his finances being made public. Probably because they'd show that he's not worth nearly as much as he claims, has deep ties to the mob, is in debt up to his eyeballs to Russia, has been evading taxes for decades, insert your own financial scandals here, or all of the above.
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I agree. Trumpolini withholds a great deal of financial information, and he's got no problem with trying to intimidate or hush-money people who say bad things about him. He comprehends the idea that bad things could happen to him, if certain facts about himself became known.

The catch is that because he's a narcissist probably-psychopath-ish type, he doesn't stop to think about that consistently. Certainly not consistently enough to actually modify his actions to avoid getting in trouble.

He's like the school bully who beats kids up every day for five years, then gets caught and starts panicking... but if he somehow manages to lie his way out of it, he just reverts to the same pattern. Because obviously the trouble he got into was all the fault of the "snitches;" it doesn't have anything to do with his behavior, which has been fine all along, right?

Part of the reason psychopathic types are so noxious and horrible is that they don't internalize "society punishes this" as a reason to not do 'this.' They internalize it as a reason to not get caught.
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Civil War Man wrote:
Ralin wrote:I find it highly unlikely that Russia has blackmail material on Trump because that would require them to know something Trump is afraid of having made public. Trump seems to believe he could murder people in cold blood and rape a baby on live television without negative personal consequences, and all indications are that he is right. Hard to imagine what they could have that's so bad they could successfully threaten him with it.
Trump has shown many times over that he is beyond terrified of his finances being made public. Probably because they'd show that he's not worth nearly as much as he claims, has deep ties to the mob, is in debt up to his eyeballs to Russia, has been evading taxes for decades, insert your own financial scandals here, or all of the above.
Yeah, that's why I call him "Fake Billionaire Pedophile Rapist Donnie Douchebag". Real billionaires don't do fake reality shows which as the grand prize is running one of his failing real estate scams businesses.
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