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Why dismantle ACA which could had saved my son

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I’ve noticed something new lately: When I tell some people the story of how my son died, they want to know whether he was working when he got sick.

The answer is yes, he was working. He was also a non-traditional college student with a 3.75 grade point average, and he was a community volunteer.

Then I ask a question of my own: When did being unemployed become a crime punishable by death?

My son’s life – and death – is the perfect example of how a decent, hard-working person will fare under the Republicans’ so-called “replacements” for the Affordable Care Act – a law that likely would have saved his life had it been in place sooner.

Michael Timothy Danforth was born on Nov. 3, 1974, my 22nd birthday. We knew there might be a problem with his health because I’d been diagnosed with a rare virus in my first trimester and had been advised to have an abortion and try again.
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THE AUTHOR HOLDING MIKE AT FIVE MONTHS OLD. ALL PHOTOS COURTESY OF THE AUTHOR.

I chose to proceed with the pregnancy. The chair was at the table already, as far as I was concerned. My son was born with exstrophy of the bladder, a rare birth defect in which the abdominal wall doesn’t close and the bladder winds up on the outside of the body, inside-out. The surgery done to correct the defect involved removal of the bladder and implanting his ureters into his sigmoid colon.

What we didn’t know at the time – and wouldn’t find out until too late – was that this leaves the person at extremely high risk of colon cancer. Michael was never an easy child. In addition to his physical problems, he had attention deficit disorder with hyperactivity and we spent most of his childhood advocating for him in school systems that didn’t know how to deal with an extremely bright child who couldn’t sit still and who believed he didn’t have to do homework if he was able to ace every test.
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MIKE EATING CEREAL AT MY FATHER’S HOUSE

Most of his peers thought he was weird. His humor flew right over their heads. He hated pop music and listened to the blues, classical music and an eclectic mix of artists that most of his peers had never heard. He loved science fiction, especially “Star Trek.”

As a teenager, he began drinking and using drugs. He was pretty good at hiding it, and it wasn’t until he failed at community college that I realized he had a problem. He told me he wanted to take off a semester and then he would go back, but it would be eight years before he walked into a classroom again.

We didn’t realize he would never again be able to get health insurance that would cover anything related to his birth defect. He was off my policy and uninsurable because a birth defect was a pre-existing condition, as though he had chosen to have it.
Mike at 15 on a visit to the Mayflower
MIKE AT 15 ON A VISIT TO THE MAYFLOWER

Mike overcame his addiction at age 22, after nearly taking his own life, and his recovery work included helping other people to get and stay sober. He moved from downstate New York, where we lived, to Schenectady, near the state capitol of Albany, and settled in. He carried his 12-step group’s emergency phone and he was happy to get up in the middle of the night if someone needed to talk.

“He could close the restaurant at 1 a.m. and have a 7 o’clock class and if I called him at 4, he’d get out of bed and listen to me,” his best friend said. “He never complained.”

He met a beautiful, bright and talented young woman named Janet and married her in June of 2000.

They loved food and their cats, heavy metal music, their nieces and nephew, and each other.

But Mike was beginning to worry about being able to maintain his sobriety. He had left restaurant work because he couldn’t get insurance, and he went to work managing a convenience store. He hated it, and the insurance that came with the job wasn’t covering the annual colonoscopies he needed. He was fortunate enough to find a gastroenterologist in New York who would accept monthly payments, but the stress of the job and of worrying about how he would make it if he got really sick was beginning to take a toll.

By 25, Mike had already had polyps removed from his colon, and he knew he was going to have to find a way to get good insurance. He and Janet decided to go back to school. She was accepted into the Savannah College of Art and Design, and he enrolled at Armstrong Atlantic University.
Mike and Janet after they started dating
MIKE AND JANET AFTER THEY STARTED DATING

Mike had found a rental in a suburban Savannah mobile home park. It was cheaper than an apartment and it had a yard that would allow him to grow some herbs and peppers, and put up a trellis for morning glories. He was so full of plans both large and small. He was majoring in history with a minor in philosophy. He planned to go on to law school and hoped to work for a legal-aid group.

“I think poor people deserve good lawyers,” he told me one day. “And I’m going to be one hell of a good lawyer.”

I could see that. He was brilliant. He had this uncanny ability to dismantle things and then reassemble them without a manual. His brother and I walked in one day to find his clothes dryer in pieces on his kitchen floor. “It was squeaking,” he said. “I f*ing hate that.” A couple of hours later, the dryer was back together and humming. No squeak.

Mike lived just an hour away from his brother and they became closer. Mike might have told him, but he never told me, that he couldn’t find a physician in Savannah who would perform a colonoscopy and allow him to pay in installments. The one doctor who would see him wanted $2,300 cash up front. Of course, Mike and Janet didn’t have that kind of money. They gambled that he would be OK until they were finished with school.
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MIKE AND THE AUTHOR DANCING AT HIS WEDDING.

They lost the bet.

In late 2004, Mike began having trouble keeping food down. He was constipated, which wasn’t supposed to happen with his plumbing. He started losing weight.

Still, his doctor refused to do a colonoscopy until his weight dropped to about 115 pounds. He was six feet tall.

During the procedure, the doctor found his colon entirely blocked. But he didn’t tell Mike or Janet; he just had the nurse send him home. Later, we saw the record of that colonoscopy, where the doctor had written, “Couldn’t finish procedure. Next time use (pediatric) scope.” We also saw the words, “Patient needs a colonoscopy but can’t afford it.”

Three weeks later, in February of 2005, Mike was hospitalized with kidney failure. He was vomiting fecal matter, and his weight had dropped to 110 pounds. This would lead to his claiming to be an expert on all things that tasted like crap.

It took five days to stabilize him enough for surgery to remove the blockage.

After surgery, Mike recovered remarkably well and learned to care for his colostomy. He had plastic tubes running into his kidneys through his back and connected to plastic bags to collect the urine. I felt comfortable returning home to Asheville, NC.

The next day, he got the pathology report. I still hear his voice over the phone as he delivered the news to me.

“Mom, it’s cancer. I have cancer.”

That call was one of those sharp demarcations in life. There’s before that moment and then there’s after. My son was going to outlive me, and then maybe he wasn’t. If he’d been able to buy insurance, he would have had the colonoscopies. Or if — because he was deemed uninsurable — he had been able to get Medicaid under an expansion like the Affordable Care Act, his colonoscopies would have cost about $1,000 a year. But our health care system said no, and now Mike’s care would cost taxpayers nearly a million dollars and he would die.

Mike applied for disability to help cover his living costs. His approval would take 37 months. He would be dead nine days before his first check arrived.

He also applied for Medicaid and food stamps because he would be unable to work during chemotherapy and radiation treatments. He was denied Medicaid because he and Janet owned a fairly new car and they had tuition money in their bank account. A charity stepped up to pay for his care, and he was offered $10 a month in food stamps. He turned down the food stamps, insulted that a person with no income was eligible for so little help.
Mike on a photo expedition to Catalouchee Valley in Great Smoky Mountain National Park, just before he got sick.
MIKE ON A PHOTO EXPEDITION TO CATALOUCHEE VALLEY IN GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK, JUST BEFORE HE GOT SICK.

He tolerated the treatments pretty well, but a few weeks afterward, the vomiting started again. He began to lose the 25 pounds he had managed to gain back. His doctors found a stricture in his small intestine that had been caused by radiation.

They decided to take a “wait-and-see” approach. They waited until he was 104 pounds before taking any action. On the morning of surgery, his surgeon told us the oncologists were at fault for waiting so long. Five days after the surgery, the pathology report came back. There were a few viable cancer cells. His surgeon told us, matter-of-factly, as though he were talking about a dead toenail, that Mike was going to die.

I followed him out of the room to ask why he wasn’t going to try and save my son’s life. Couldn’t they surgically remove the few viable cells? Mike’s dad had survived stage-three colon cancer — partly because when a small metastasis had been found, they had removed it. But Mike’s dad had money and excellent insurance. Mike had neither, which left him with few, if any, options.

“Oh, we’re not going to do that,” the surgeon said with a dismissive wave. I dropped the F-bomb and went back into Mike’s room. The surgeon followed me back, saying he wouldn’t be offended if we sought a second opinion. That’s when Janet lost it. She’s barely 5 feet tall and the surgeon was over 6 feet, but he backed out of the room as she poked him in the chest, reminding him that her husband’s life took priority over any doctor’s ego.

Mike was in the hospital nine more days, and not one doctor came in to talk to him during that time.

Janet and I knew we needed to find help for Mike, so while she took care of him and her coursework, I started calling cancer care centers. I probably called 20 before Dr. Herbert Hurwitz at Duke University Medical Center agreed to do a consultation.

On the day of the appointment, six weeks after Mike’s second surgery, Hurwitz took one look at Mike’s surgical incision and asked when the last time was that Mike saw his surgeon. It had been just five days.

“What did he say about your incision?” Hurwitz asked.

“He said I’m healing slowly because I was so malnourished going in,” Mike said.

“That and a life-threatening infection,” Hurwitz replied as he took off his gloves and sat down to write a prescription. “Duke has just adopted you. We’ll help you get Medicaid, and we’ll try to save your life. I can’t guarantee we can get everything paid for.”

“I’d rather be 80 and still paying off chemo than die in my 30s,” Mike told him.

Mike had to leave Janet to get Medicaid in North Carolina, where the eligibility rules are slightly more liberal than in Georgia. Medicaid is administered by the states and each state sets its own rules within overall guidelines set by the federal government Since his new legal residence was going to be with me in Asheville, I had to write a letter stating that they had split. It was one of the most difficult things I had to do during his entire illness.

He started chemotherapy again, and he did spend some time in Savannah with Janet, but they had to be careful because he could have lost his Medicaid. When Janet finished college, she got a job in Raleigh. Since Mike couldn’t live with her, because of Medicaid income restrictions, his best friend, James, decided to get a job in Raleigh and move so Mike would have a home there.

For the next two years, James cared for Mike, changing dressings, cleaning, cooking and even paying bills as they waited for Mike to be approved for disability. Mike had tried to work, but he was too sick to stay on his feet in a hot restaurant kitchen for several hours at a time. We who loved him helped with his bills, but he longed for the dignity of being able to pay his own way.

In the fall of 2007, Mike once again began having pain and problems eating. Scans didn’t show any cancer, so his doctors thought it might be adhesions and scar tissue from all the surgeries he had endured. But on Feb. 11, 2008, doctors discovered fluid in his abdomen. It could have been lymphedema — an accumulation of fluid caused by damage to lymph glands — or it could be end-stage cancer. They removed the fluid and tested it for cancer.

Word came back seven days later – it was cancer. Instead of recurring as tumors, it had returned as what’s known as undifferentiated tissue – a sort of ribbon coating the inside of his colon. Scans didn’t show it. I was on my way to work when he called. Within an hour, my husband and I were headed toward Raleigh. He might have a year to live, the doctors had said, if chemo worked.

Mike had exactly six weeks left. That’s when he gave up the 12-step addiction group’s emergency phone, although he would continue to counsel people until the day before he died. We tried chemo, but after two treatments, it was obvious it wasn’t doing any good.

Hurwitz cried when he told Mike there was nothing more to be done. “You’re a good person,” he said. “You don’t deserve what’s happening to you.”

After the callous disregard Mike received in Savannah, I didn’t expect to see such compassion. Perhaps if we’d had access to Duke from the beginning … Perhaps if we’d been able to get insurance … But it was too late for what-ifs. I was bringing my son home to die.

“How long do you think I have?” Mike asked as I was pushing him in a wheelchair, heading for my car. “Maybe two weeks?”

“Oh, God, I hope it’s more than that,” I said.

It wasn’t.
The author’s favorite photo of Mike.
THE AUTHOR’S FAVORITE PHOTO OF MIKE.

Janet and James both came out from Raleigh to help care for him. Friends and family members came to visit. We were rarely without company.

One afternoon, Mike, who had played the Cancer Card as a joke for three years, told me I would have an untrumpable card to play: The Dead Kid Card.

I told him I didn’t want it, but he argued that it was being dealt and I’d better figure out how I was going to play it.

“How about if I use it to argue that no one deserves to die from lack of access to care?” I said. “How about if I use it to advocate for universal access to care?”

He smiled and gave me his blessing.

The night before he died, Mike and I were alone, watching “Star Trek” and nibbling chocolate.

“You know, I’m having a good time here,” he said.

I was stunned. He was enjoying himself despite the pain, the weakness, the knowledge that he had, at most, a few days to live. He could still find joy, even now.

“I can’t ever complain about anything again,” I said.

“Oh, you’ll find a way,” he said, and then he laughed.

Mike died with me by his side at 3:50 p.m. on April 1, 2008. He slipped away, leaving me furious that my heart was still beating. How could I face life now? Why was I the one still sitting there?

I have played the card I’ve been dealt. I have lobbied for universal access to care. I have been to Washington and stood among Congressional leaders. I have stood in front of 100,000 people at a Moral Monday event in Raleigh to talk about the numbers of people who die the way my child did. I have been arrested three times trying to speak to North Carolina legislators about the importance of expanding Medicaid. I will continue to fight for care for everyone until it happens, or until my own heart finally stops and I join my boy.

I fought for the Affordable Care Act because it was a step in the right direction. Its mandate that people with pre-existing conditions be able to get affordable coverage, together with the subsidies for insurance premiums, would most likely have saved my son’s life.

I had hoped his absence would get easier with the passage of time, but It does not. I miss picking up the phone at midnight to hear, “Hey, Mom, I knew you’d still be up,” and then engaging in a long conversation about politics, history, music, theology – whatever.

I miss baking bread and watching him eat an entire loaf in an afternoon, saying, “The only thing wrong with this bread is that it’s not at my house.”

I miss his impatience with traffic, bad drivers, willful ignorance and bad food.

I miss his maniacal laugh and his practical jokes.

I miss watching “Star Trek” with him.

I miss slapping his hand away from the turkey and stuffing as I prepare Thanksgiving dinner.

I miss telling him he could have our birthday as his own when I’m done with it.

Multiply this loss by 45,000 – the number of Americans who died each year from lack of access to health care before the Affordable Care Act (1), according to a Harvard Medical School study published in 2009 by the Journal of the American Medical Association. That’s one person every 12 minutes if you do the math. And try to wrap your head around the desire of some people to go back to that level of human suffering. Try to rationalize the deliberate vilification of people who need the kind of help my son needed. I can’t.

My son was a good human being. He didn’t deserve to die from neglect.

No one does.

But if the attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act is successful, if the attempt to turn Medicaid from an open-ended entitlement that helps those who need it to capped block grants is successful, more people will die the way my son did.

With the ACA, we have reduced the number of uninsured by about 20 million — and thus cut back on the number of preventable deaths (2). Most of these deaths are in states that have not expanded Medicaid. Under the Republicans’ plans, the Urban Institutes estimates that nearly 30 million more people would go uninsured (3).

People who lack access to care are not lazy people hoping for handouts. They are decent, hardworking people who deserve to live as much as – and I might argue more than – any senator who would vote for this despicable attempt to give more profits to the health care industry while increasing human suffering on an epic scale.

To return to the way things were before the Affordable Care Act is an act of war on the people of this country. It is murder. I have no other word for it.

Andrew P. Wilper, Steffie Woolhandler, Karen E. Lasser, Danny McCormick, David H. Bor, David U. Himmelstein, “Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults”, American Journal of Public Health 99, no. 12 (December 1, 2009): pp. 2289-2295.
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/file ... y-live.pdf
http://www.urban.org/research/publicati ... nciliation

A deeply mpving, touching story about how the healthcare system was like pre ACA, its impact on lives and how her son death motivates his mom actions now.
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Stories like this break my heart.

Even if the man in the OP would get cancer eventually there is so much more than could have been done for him earlier, that might have granted him more life and less suffering.
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Looking over the last paragraphs-

The hellish part is, not even the health care industry really wants the ACA gone. It's an ideological thing for the Republican Party now; they've spent so long screaming that Obamacare is death and communism all rolled up into one that the Republican political elite have drunk their own Kool-Aid.

The people who donate the most to the party are fanatics against the ACA because no one who isn't a fanatic against the ACA would give the Republicans a dime anymore. The people who vote in their primaries are predominantly against it- simply because no one who is for the ACA could look themselves in the mirror and call themselves a fully committed Republican.

[The 'no ones' and generalizations in the above paragraph are, obviously, exaggerations. You know damn well what I mean]
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The health care industry loves the ACA because it's specifically designed as a huge cash grab for them.

But it's still better than the system before the ACA, what I like to call "legal extortion" for any non-emergent procedures. In 2007 when my gallbladder needed to come out, I was in agony but they wouldn't even schedule the surgery until I came up with $1500 up front. I wish I was exaggerating.
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For a bit of "good news," one of my gaming buddies was born about the right time, for lack of a better way to put it. By the time his Cystic Fibrosis meant "my lungs are dead and I'm not far behind", the ACA had been in full swing. Up until then, his family had understood that with the way things worked and how little money they had, it was either a huge charity drive or a pine box for their son.

He's covered, got on the transplant list, and got new lungs all specifically due to provisions in the ACA.
Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-07-25 09:09amThe hellish part is, not even the health care industry really wants the ACA gone. It's an ideological thing for the Republican Party now; they've spent so long screaming that Obamacare is death and communism all rolled up into one that the Republican political elite have drunk their own Kool-Aid.
It's any easy thing for them though. Even among their poor voting blocks that benefit heavily from the ACA (BUT NOT OBAMACARE!), they still have such an axe to grind against the opposing team (read: liberals) they'll saw their own leg off if Republicans ask them to. Luckily, at least on this issue, that base is dwindling. Enough Republicans in the Senate understand how their electorate would react to going back to mid-2000s U.S. Healthcare. I recall one Senator flat-out said "If this passes, my voters will kick me out of office the first chance they get" WRT Trump's first pass at a Healthcare "plan." More slowly seem to be following suit.

Because, at the least, the ACA works. (at least for now). And American's don't seem keen to let the government break what works and then fuck around trying to replace it with something that MIGHT work.
Flagg wrote: 2017-07-25 09:26amBut it's still better than the system before the ACA, what I like to call "legal extortion" for any non-emergent procedures. In 2007 when my gallbladder needed to come out, I was in agony but they wouldn't even schedule the surgery until I came up with $1500 up front. I wish I was exaggerating.
The healthcare system is still a shithole, but like you said not as bad as it could be. The financial estimate I got for having our son was a joke. We had a healthy kid, zero complications, we were out of the hospital after the standard 3 day catch. Their estimate of what we owed was off by 30%. Thirty-fucking-percent. I can't name a bid where the client wouldn't tear me a new ass for being that off about a no-complications job.

But in the healthcare system, they can just keep sending you bills for months and be like "oh yea, this was for.... something." They have no fucking idea what "money" actually is. Talking to my wife, they basically just take what you'll send them and ship the rest over to collectors. You basically need an accounting degree to visit a hospital in this country without getting fucked. It's dumb. It needs to be fixed.
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Flagg wrote: 2017-07-25 09:26am The health care industry loves the ACA because it's specifically designed as a huge cash grab for them.
Yup. I've said from the beginning that ACA was essentially legalized racketeering & extortion for the healthcare industry. The government wanted to pass a bill that pretty much guarantees massive annual compounded revenue growth until the entire nation gets fucking bankrupted. Why would they say no to that kind of free money?
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Fenix, when my gallbladder disease was misdiagnosed as a bizarre condition caused by a complication of Crohn's Disease (which I tested negative for 5 times) and I spent 6 weeks in the hospital including recovery from the unnecessary surgery that has effectively led to my current toothless constantly in pain condition I had insurance through my rent-a-pig (no murder) job.

When all was said and done, despite them not finding evidence of what they said I had (a fistula, which is basically a hole, between my colon and duodenum) after gutting me from sternum to pelvis (they took my appendix out, so there's that! :lol: :banghead: ) my wonderful insurance that I wasted money from my pay on decided that a misdiagnosis (or as my Doctor called it, a miracle from the Lord Jesus Christ, which makes sense since he's a carpenter and I felt like I got nailed) was a pre-existing condition. So the combined bill from my Quack doctor, my quack GI specialist (both had been asked several times by my mom, a nurse, whether it was my Gallbladder since all the symptoms fit and my great grandmother had had gallbladder disease in her mid-20's which was my age at the time, and a simple 15 minute scan would have shown that it was, just like in 2007 when the numbers were off the charts and they removed the fucker by cutting 3 teeny holes and taking it out with a scope which wouldn't have left me with 3 failed hernia repairs if done in 2005) the surgeons, and the hospital stay was $500,000.

Now they said they were doing me a favor (aka they done fucked up and knew it) and they basically just waved the entire bill since I was never going to be able (nor was I willing to) pay off that massive amount.

I'm lucky enough now that due to being permanently disabled I get Medicare and Medicaid (for as long as those will be around, thanks Vlad :lol:) so I don't have to pay for any medical stuff aside from any dental that isn't more expensive than dentures (because who needs teeth at 35?) and vision, which sucks because my vision is horrible and my vision prescription lenses alone are $700. But I could have it much worse, so I'm not really complaining hard.

But if the ACA had been in effect I would have been under 26 and still would've been been on my moms retired military insurance which would have taken care of everything. So really, I dodged a $500,000 bullet.

But on the flipside if I had been 27 and the ACA were in effect I'd have had my shit work insurance and would still be paying extortion. So yeah, there are definite plus' and minus'.
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aerius wrote: 2017-07-25 11:11am
Flagg wrote: 2017-07-25 09:26am The health care industry loves the ACA because it's specifically designed as a huge cash grab for them.
Yup. I've said from the beginning that ACA was essentially legalized racketeering & extortion for the healthcare industry. The government wanted to pass a bill that pretty much guarantees massive annual compounded revenue growth until the entire nation gets fucking bankrupted. Why would they say no to that kind of free money?
Yeah, but it is better than what we had.

Like I said, in 2007 when the huge gallstones that had been blocking the duct in 2005 and got jarred loose when the surgeons were examining every inch of my guts blocked the duct again (pathology said a dozen were the size of large marbles and the rest were anywhere from grains of sand to smallish pearls, and it was hereditary because according to them there's no way diet could have made it that bad at age 25 so even if I had insurance, pre-existing condition) I had to come up with $1500 up front before they would even schedule me for the operation and I was in agony and they refused to prescribe painkillers for some douche reason. If that doesn't fit the definition of extortion I don't know what does.

So again, better than we had. Which really is a testament to how fucking awful things were before the ACA. But I'm fully aware that it was a goddamned bonanza for every sector of the healthcare industry. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have passed. :banghead:
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I’ve noticed something new lately: When I tell some people the story of how my son died, they want to know whether he was working when he got sick.

The answer is yes, he was working. He was also a non-traditional college student with a 3.75 grade point average, and he was a community volunteer.

Then I ask a question of my own: When did being unemployed become a crime punishable by death?
Unfortunately, there are people out there with a "kill off the useless poor" attitude. It reminds me all too much of a phrase "life unworthy of life" that that caused much trouble in the early 20th Century.
I chose to proceed with the pregnancy. The chair was at the table already, as far as I was concerned. My son was born with exstrophy of the bladder, a rare birth defect in which the abdominal wall doesn’t close and the bladder winds up on the outside of the body, inside-out. The surgery done to correct the defect involved removal of the bladder and implanting his ureters into his sigmoid colon.

What we didn’t know at the time – and wouldn’t find out until too late – was that this leaves the person at extremely high risk of colon cancer.
I have to wonder if that risk was known at the time the procedure was done. That aside, it IS a problem that doctors don't always inform people of their risks. We did not find out until my husband was dying that his birth defect and the required treatment for it put him at high risk of bladder cancer. Would that have made a difference in his case? I don't know - he has a complete urological workup in September that showed no sign of cancer (the data and results were re-reviewed after his cancer diagnosis, nope, no sign of cancer). But even so, I feel he should have been told that, just as he was informed of his higher-than-average risk of diabetes.
He was off my policy and uninsurable because a birth defect was a pre-existing condition, as though he had chosen to have it.
My husband not only faced that form of discrimination at times, he also managed to hit the lifetime maximum on a health insurance policy in his early 20's. Despite having a serious birth defect requiring on-going care there was more than one time in my husband's life he could not get insurance and had to pay out of his own pocket. When I first met him he had just finished paying off a 10 year loan to save his right leg from amputation.

The only way I could get insurance for him in the 1990's was to go to work for a health insurance company which would cover the families of employees even if they did have pre-existing conditions.
Still, his doctor refused to do a colonoscopy until his weight dropped to about 115 pounds. He was six feet tall.
That's because if you have no insurance and can't pay up front you don't get treatment until your life is in imminent danger in this country. The doc probably had to wait until the guy's status was immediately life-threatening to do anything.
During the procedure, the doctor found his colon entirely blocked. But he didn’t tell Mike or Janet; he just had the nurse send him home.
THAT was wrong - the doctor should have told him, which would give the patient the option of at least trying to raise the needed funds.
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And THAT is the problem of leaving the uninsured to the ER as "health care". Until the patient is actually in danger of dying soon nothing will be done. Unless you can pull a wad of cash out of your ass, and you'll still face issues with access.
After surgery, Mike recovered remarkably well and learned to care for his colostomy. He had plastic tubes running into his kidneys through his back and connected to plastic bags to collect the urine. I felt comfortable returning home to Asheville, NC.
The thing that bothers me here - neither a colostomy nor nephrostomies (that's the kidney tubes) are simply do the surgery and you're done. They require on-going care and medical supplies. How did this guy pay for that? Sure, the expense isn't as bad as the cost of the surgery but you can't skip the maintenance or you'll be back in the hospital.
Or if — because he was deemed uninsurable — he had been able to get Medicaid under an expansion like the Affordable Care Act, his colonoscopies would have cost about $1,000 a year. But our health care system said no, and now Mike’s care would cost taxpayers nearly a million dollars and he would die.
While the program my husband and I were on didn't start as "expanded Medicaid" it was folded into it under the ACA. My husband's screening procedures were covered with no co-pay. His doctor appointments were covered with no co-pay. The medical supplies needed for his nephrostomies were covered with no co-pay. I think my husband died too fast to run up a million dollar bill.
Mike applied for disability to help cover his living costs. His approval would take 37 months. He would be dead nine days before his first check arrived.
This reminds me of my husband's approval for hospice care arriving a week after his death.
He also applied for Medicaid and food stamps because he would be unable to work during chemotherapy and radiation treatments. He was denied Medicaid because he and Janet owned a fairly new car and they had tuition money in their bank account.
This is an illustration of how Medicaid rules vary from state to state. My husband and I had two vehicles and still qualified for food stamps. The bank account money was more problematic, but once it was spent they should have been able to re-apply. In my state, my husband and I were still permitted to get Medicaid despite our small nest-egg in the bank.
His surgeon told us, matter-of-factly, as though he were talking about a dead toenail, that Mike was going to die.
I'm not sure how people expect to be told this news. Would they prefer a doctor weeping hysterically? What is supposed to be the correct delivery of a terminal diagnosis?
I followed him out of the room to ask why he wasn’t going to try and save my son’s life. Couldn’t they surgically remove the few viable cells? Mike’s dad had survived stage-three colon cancer — partly because when a small metastasis had been found, they had removed it. But Mike’s dad had money and excellent insurance. Mike had neither, which left him with few, if any, options.
Yes, being poor leaves you with few, if any, options. However, at this point even if Mike had had the world's best insurance it might not have saved his life. Having had chemo and radiation and still having active cancer cells, even a few, is a grim diagnosis no matter what. That's the point where you need to ask if it's worth it to keep trying to kill the cancer or just focus on quality rather than mere quantity of life.
Mike was in the hospital nine more days, and not one doctor came in to talk to him during that time.
Yeah, a lot of doctors run away from the dying, or from the poor, and even more so from the poor and dying. However, yeah, a doc should have been in to see him. Also people like social workers to try to piece together something to help him (although that, too, can be problematic - I had to "fire" one social worker on my husband's case because she was and incompetent bitch).
On the day of the appointment, six weeks after Mike’s second surgery, Hurwitz took one look at Mike’s surgical incision and asked when the last time was that Mike saw his surgeon. It had been just five days.

“What did he say about your incision?” Hurwitz asked.

“He said I’m healing slowly because I was so malnourished going in,” Mike said.

“That and a life-threatening infection,” Hurwitz replied
OK, that's neglect. Time to call a lawyer. But, unfortunately, the poor (and the dying, and even more so the dying poor) get neglected a LOT under the US system. I was at the hospital or nursing home nearly every damn day and up in peoples' faces all the time to make sure my husband wasn't neglected to death. As it was, one bitch of a nurse managed to give him a bedsore in less than 10 hours (she lost her job. Not sure if she lost her license or not. But it never should have happened in the first place, she assumed no one cared about the dying cripple in room 401 and ignored him all night long.

Our system runs on money. If there's no money there's no incentive to care other than the raw compassion of the medical person in the room. Fortunately, a lot of them do have a lot of raw compassion. Unfortunately, a sizable minority do not, either being in it just for the money or being burned out by seeing too many people dying who could have been saved if they had gotten care earlier.
Mike had to leave Janet to get Medicaid in North Carolina, where the eligibility rules are slightly more liberal than in Georgia. Medicaid is administered by the states and each state sets its own rules within overall guidelines set by the federal government Since his new legal residence was going to be with me in Asheville, I had to write a letter stating that they had split. It was one of the most difficult things I had to do during his entire illness.
I had been "advised" more than one in my husband's life to divorce him to get some advantage or other. What sort of a cruel, fucked up system to we have that splits families in order to get care for the ill?
Since Mike couldn’t live with her, because of Medicaid income restrictions, his best friend, James, decided to get a job in Raleigh and move so Mike would have a home there.
Stop and think about how stupid and cruel this is - Mike can't stay with his wife or risk losing his care, but his fully employed friend can move in and care for him without penalty. WHY do we do this to people? WHY do we make this a requirement?
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One of things I want to do is give some of my husband's (and some of my) old but still very serviceable clothing to the nursing home he was at because they have destitute people arrive with nothing more than a hospital gown and nothing else, no clothes at all. While my husband was there they had a man who wouldn't come out of his room because he'd soiled his pants and didn't have another pair, and no underwear, so he was sitting in his room under a sheet until his pants came back from the laundry. It's not on the same level as needing chemo or some sort of surgery, but it's an appalling affront to a person's dignity to be in that situation.
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Flagg wrote: 2017-07-25 11:16am Fenix, when my gallbladder disease was misdiagnosed as a bizarre condition caused by a complication of Crohn's Disease (which I tested negative for 5 times) and I spent 6 weeks in the hospital including recovery from the unnecessary surgery that has effectively led to my current toothless constantly in pain condition I had insurance through my rent-a-pig (no murder) job.
Yea, that they could ever "take a step back" and list already completed procedures as not covered based on new information is some bullshit.

And considering how bad they are when it comes to expected outcomes, situations such as yours have to be the worst. My wife just had surgery and we got hit for another few hundred dollars because, even though they factored in the cost of the anesthesia, they didn't factor in the cost of the woman who would be delivering it into my wife's body.

Like.... Jesus... Ok, we work with drillers. Imagine I was like "I can get a truck out there tomorrow to do those borings. It'll cost you $1,000." Then a week later I was like "oh, I forgot, you need people to work the rig, that'll be another $500." How fucking long would people do business with me?

Fucking clown shoes.
Or if — because he was deemed uninsurable — he had been able to get Medicaid under an expansion like the Affordable Care Act, his colonoscopies would have cost about $1,000 a year. But our health care system said no, and now Mike’s care would cost taxpayers nearly a million dollars and he would die.
This is where I like to shit on "fuck 'em all" types because you can't argue humanity with them: they have no context here. They either need to double down and repeal the...... Emergency Care Act? Whatever, not googling it: the act they passed when I was a sprat where they CAN'T deny someone life saving treatment or they need to turn around and vote to do this shit right. Because you end up in situations where you're paying for tons of cure so you can claim you're saving a pittance of prevention.

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Broomstick wrote: 2017-07-25 11:44am Unfortunately, there are people out there with a "kill off the useless poor" attitude. It reminds me all too much of a phrase "life unworthy of life" that that caused much trouble in the early 20th Century.
I wonder what are the reasons such attitudes are so prevalent in the US compared to elsewhere.
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They were fairly common throughout the Western world a hundred years ago. The real question is why whatever rolled back that attitude in most Western countries didn't do a good job in the US, if you ask me.
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Racism, anti-immigrant bias, and baby boomers. It's easy to point at minorities and illegals as scapegoats who are gumming up our social services. And Boomers look at the world now as if it's the same as the world they grew up in, ignoring that they blew all the advantages we had as a country, and now look at the new generations as freeloaders demanding hand-outs.

And they run this country in more ways than one.

There are other factors, such as the idealism of "rugged individualism" as well. Also, that "The States" can handle helping the population, even though they've been shown time and time again to be failures, at least in these areas as they usually only offer protections for "the right people." But I'd rather just bitch about Baby Boomers because I'm tired of listening to them bitch about me.

tl;dr: our country is run by old fuckers completely out of touch with reality who grew up when segregated drinking fountains were a thing.
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Absolutely horrifying, and heart-breaking. My sympathies and prayers are with all those who've suffered because of medical incompetence and conservative callousness.

There is, of course, room for civilized disagreement over which economic philosophy, and which approach to providing health care, is best. But there has to be a line somewhere. To simply strip existing benefits with no replacement, and then vilify the poor for being poor while throwing more obstacles to success in their path, is beyond callous. It is evil.

Thousands of people, maybe millions over a long enough period of time, are going to die if this repeal passes. At what point does that cease to be a policy difference and become, indeed, a campaign of mass murder, or at least criminal negligence on a grand scale?
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-07-25 04:38pmThousands of people, maybe millions over a long enough period of time, are going to die if this repeal passes. At what point does that cease to be a policy difference and become, indeed, a campaign of mass murder, or at least criminal negligence on a grand scale?
Um, never. Same reason they'll never charge Republicans in support of both anti-abortion measures and cutting social support for low income families with children or the foster care system with child abuse. Humans in general, and Americans in particular, are generally ok with vile shit (or at least on a "don't actively punish this person" way) if you've got enough degrees of separation between you and the people you are fucking over. Or if you didn't PHYSICALLY take food out of a kids hand.

Semi-related: Warren is like the only person I recall saying she'd put embezzling and defrauding Wall Street fucks in jail if she could. And I also recall other Democrats telling her to dial it back. And of course, Republicans treat her as some kind of Stalinesque figure. Seemingly one of the only Democrats (or politician at all) with a set of balls. The rest are pretty much fucking useless if not actively hostile towards Americans who can't line their pockets.

Sadly: shelter, food, healthcare. These actually aren't guaranteed protections in this country. But that's not my point: voting IS and yet we can't even bring charges against legislators whose gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement is labelled as "surgical" by a federal court in it's application towards minorities. Fuck, we can't even have them removed from office.
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Having read this and a bunch of other, tragically similar, stories of late, I will never again complain about the NHS.

Which makes me laugh really. The endless GOP talk of "ACA is medical socialism" or whatever...not even close mates. It's truly depressing that there are so many important people in the US that think repealing the ACA is a good thing.

Incidentally, you can tell they're doing it because they hate democrats/liberals/Obama and not the idea itself, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to replace it with something "better," they'd just repeal it completely and, well, fuck the poor people. Again.
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Indeed. There was a reddit post about someone who cheered when Obamacare looked like it was going to be repealed. When he was called out on it, it turned out he was on healthcare too, the ACA. That's right. He didn't realise that the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing. Its really not about the idea of the ICA, its that it was implemented by Obama that got these guys ticked off. That being said, if you're stupid you can deal with the consequences of your own actions. Unfortunately other people have to as well.
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Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-07-25 02:07pm They were fairly common throughout the Western world a hundred years ago. The real question is why whatever rolled back that attitude in most Western countries didn't do a good job in the US, if you ask me.
Well here in Britain it's certainly seen as WW2 which prompted national health care. Basically it was seen that the population had suffered to keep the nation alive during the war so now the nation needed to give something back.

Why it never caught on in the US, I can't claim to know for certain but I think it's probably a mix of feeling like you 'won' the war rather than just surviving it so you didn't really need to change things much because they were working fine already and the fact that your country wasn't wrecked at the end of it, the UK basically had to work for the next two decades to put things back together where as the US was already on top and could grow from the fact that all it's competitors had been smashed to rubble.

It's probably not that simple but it's part of the difference between the US and say Western Europe.
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The comment by Fenix is correct. This one article is a story told countless times coast to coast, year after year, and it will never be allowed to change. Just look at our imperious leaders today, advancing a total repeal of ACA in the name of politics.

This nation, hell, this world will not be allowed to improve or change in any way for the betterment of anyone but the elite and their chosen few until a plurality of the boomers finally shuffle off the mortal coil. All the rest of us can do is try to mitigate the damage and prepare to clean up the boomers' mess.
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Bedlam wrote: 2017-07-25 08:36pm
Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-07-25 02:07pm They were fairly common throughout the Western world a hundred years ago. The real question is why whatever rolled back that attitude in most Western countries didn't do a good job in the US, if you ask me.
Well here in Britain it's certainly seen as WW2 which prompted national health care. Basically it was seen that the population had suffered to keep the nation alive during the war so now the nation needed to give something back.

Why it never caught on in the US, I can't claim to know for certain but I think it's probably a mix of feeling like you 'won' the war rather than just surviving it so you didn't really need to change things much because they were working fine already and the fact that your country wasn't wrecked at the end of it, the UK basically had to work for the next two decades to put things back together where as the US was already on top and could grow from the fact that all it's competitors had been smashed to rubble.

It's probably not that simple but it's part of the difference between the US and say Western Europe.
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Britain had this project called Mass Observation where volunteers kept diaries and based on those entry, it seems that Britons left the war feeling that there had to be something worth the loss and sacrifice, that a better world needs to be made.

A similar push began in the 1920s post WW1 and WW2 saw the flowering of said humanism, such as nutrition for the poor and wartime rationing. Similarly, elder insurance began in 1930s... So... it would suggest that this was a successful movement that lasted 4 decades and took WW2 to engineer NHS.

For the US though, it would appear the opposite, from Bonus Army and Roaring twenties. Franklin D Roosevelt did take on a new deal.... but it succeeded whereas in thr UK it floundered.

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True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

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Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.

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We know that we still have far to go; that we must more greatly build the security and the opportunity and the knowledge of every citizen, in the measure justified by the resources and the capacity of the land.

But it is not enough to achieve these purposes alone. It is not enough to clothe and feed the body of this Nation, to instruct, and inform its mind. For there is also the spirit. And of the three, the greatest is the spirit.

Without the body and the mind, as all men know, the Nation could not live.

But if the spirit of America were killed, even though the Nation's body and mind, constricted in an alien world, lived on, the America we know would have perished.

That spirit—that faith—speaks to us in our daily lives in ways often unnoticed, because they seem so obvious. It speaks to us here in the Capital of the Nation. It speaks to us through the processes of governing in the sovereignties of 48 States. It speaks to us in our counties, in our cities, in our towns, and in our villages. It speaks to us from the other Nations of the hemisphere, and from those across the seas—the enslaved, as well as the free. Sometimes we fail to hear or heed these voices of freedom because to us the privilege of our freedom is such an old, old story.

The destiny of America was proclaimed in words of prophecy spoken by our first President in his first Inaugural in 1789-words almost directed, it would seem, to this year of 1941: "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered. . . deeply, . . . finally, staked on the experiment intrusted to the hands of the American people."

If you and I in this later day lose that sacred fire—if we let it be smothered with doubt and fear- then we shall reject the destiny which Washington strove so valiantly and so triumphantly to establish. The preservation of the spirit and faith of the Nation does, and will, furnish the highest justification for every sacrifice that we may make in the cause of national defense.

In the face of great perils never before encountered, our strong purpose is to protect and to perpetuate the integrity of democracy.

For this we muster the spirit of America, and the faith of America.

We do not retreat. We are not content to stand still. As Americans, we go forward, in the service of our country, by the will of God.
Notice his triumphant tone, as the US has merged humane values with pure capitalism. While Roosevelt will acknowledge thr need for more reform and changes to come in his 4th, final inauguration speech, America left WW2 with a sense that they are already building and had built a great society, hence, socialist upheavals like the NHS was unneeded.



I think the real issue is Lyndon Great Society and defeat in Vietnam, which powered neoconservative backlash against blind elitism and more humanist values in US politics.
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ray245 wrote: 2017-07-25 01:42pm
Broomstick wrote: 2017-07-25 11:44am Unfortunately, there are people out there with a "kill off the useless poor" attitude. It reminds me all too much of a phrase "life unworthy of life" that that caused much trouble in the early 20th Century.
I wonder what are the reasons such attitudes are so prevalent in the US compared to elsewhere.
Calvinism. It's a line of thought not limited to that branch of Christianity (it was common in the ancient world, often known as "the wages of sin." But in the recent history of the US, the sect of Christianity known as Calvinism was prominent and those suffering from illness, poverty, or general misfortune were said to be deserving of such suffering because they "must have done something sinful to deserve it. It's not nearly as common as it was. But you'll encounter it every now and then.
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This concept is sometimes termed "prosperity gospel" or some variant, that sees wealth and health as rewards for being a good Christian and having god's favor.
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Er... minor nitpick: Calvinism itself wasn't that big of a deal, as a denomination in its own right. It hasn't been a big deal since Geneva because John Calvin was a massive asshole.

Calvinist *theology*, on the other hand, did find a surge in popularity via the 'Reformed' movement, which grew out of a backlash against Pentecostalism and Holy Roller movements in the late 20th. The basic tenets have been upheld and promoted by any number of celebrity pastors trying to return Christianity to a more 'Reform' stance, which basically amounts to rolling back the clock to the 1600s theologically. And yes, Prosperity Gospel is related. You can thank the televangelists for -that- one.
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Oh, there's plenty to "thank" the televangelists for....
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mr friendly guy wrote: 2017-07-25 07:25pm Indeed. There was a reddit post about someone who cheered when Obamacare looked like it was going to be repealed. When he was called out on it, it turned out he was on healthcare too, the ACA. That's right. He didn't realise that the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing. Its really not about the idea of the ICA, its that it was implemented by Obama that got these guys ticked off. That being said, if you're stupid you can deal with the consequences of your own actions. Unfortunately other people have to as well.
To be fair, while people like this get a LOT of attention because they're hilarious...

I think most people who support repealing the ACA (and they are not a majority, or even a very large minority) honestly believe things like:

"It's wrong to require people to buy a service."
"The ACA is massively inefficient."
"The ACA is the reason health care costs are still rising."
"The ACA is much worse for America than a free market solution because [vagueness]."

And yes, a number of these statements are factually incorrect, or motivated by ignorance about what the ACA is, how it works, and what the alternative is. People ain't too bright at times, and America has spent decades poisoning the well of clear, rationality-based political inquiry. Not just by the actions of the parties themselves, but by the educational system and the character of society as a whole.

Nevertheless, I wish it really were as simple as people not realizing the ACA and 'Obamacare' are literally the same thing.
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