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A well known Russian journalist is in hospital after being stabbed in the neck by an intruder at work.

Tatyana Felgenhauer, the deputy editor of Ekho Moskvy radio station, was attacked on Monday lunchtime at the radio station’s studios in central Moscow.

“A man with a knife broke into the radio station and stabbed Tatyana Felgenhauer in the neck. She has been hospitalised,” said Alexei Venediktov, the station’s editor-in-chief told Interfax.

“Tanya’s in hospital, her condition is serious but not critical, the attacker has been apprehended,” wrote Vitaly Ruvinsky, Ekho’s website editor, on Facebook. He posted photographs of police detaining a man, apparently the attacker, and of spots of blood on the floor.

Other Ekho employees reported that the attacker had used pepper spray on a security guard in order to gain entrance to the radio studio, on Novy Arbat street in central Moscow.

Ekho Moskvy is one of the few outlets for independent journalism in Russia. It features reports and discussions sharply critical of the Kremlin, despite being owned by the media arm of the energy giant Gazprom. Felgenhauer co-hosts a morning discussion show on the station.

The attacker’s motivation was not immediately clear.

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The story is still developing (which is why this article is short). Best of luck to you Tatyana.
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Even if this guy turns out to have some kind of psychiatric disorder, I can't help but think that branding anyone who doesn't adhere to the mainstream consensus as some kind of fifth columnist isn't going to make mentally unwell people less likely to do stuff like this. Remember Gabrielle Gifford?
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Yeah.

Even if the Russian government isn't responsible for a giving killing or attempted killing of a journalist, they have created a social environment in which such actions are more likely, and more likely to be tolerated.

Of course, I expect a Putin apologist or two to chime in any moment now in protest, probably with some nice false equivalencies attacking the United States (which does currently have a campaign against the free press by the President... who Russia backed).

Anyway, I'm glad the journalist is alive, and I hope that she makes a full and rapid recovery. Though if she stays in Russia after this, well, she's got a lot more courage than I do.
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What I am curious about is whether she has been a target of some sort of character-assassination campaign, to which a crazy decided that she is what's wrong with this country or something.
Though if she stays in Russia after this, well, she's got a lot more courage than I do.
What makes you think she has a choice? Even if she could make a living abroad (which is not a given) and she is let out, it would be giving in.
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Well, she wouldn't be the first person to flee a country with basically nothing to escape a threat of death, nor would she be the ten millionth person to do so. But point taken.

As to "not giving in"... I agree, but that's why I say it takes courage.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-10-23 07:02pmOf course, I expect a Putin apologist or two to chime in any moment now in protest, probably with some nice false equivalencies attacking the United States (which does currently have a campaign against the free press by the President... who Russia backed).
The US' campaign against free press long predates this president, for whom America voted.
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Gandalf wrote: 2017-10-25 07:23pmThe US' campaign against free press long predates this president, for whom America voted.
Only if you consider the Electoral College, and not We The People, to be America. I'd bet a day's pay that he'll be impeached or lynched by the 99% before it's over.

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Raw Shark wrote: 2017-10-26 06:24am
Gandalf wrote: 2017-10-25 07:23pmThe US' campaign against free press long predates this president, for whom America voted.
Only if you consider the Electoral College, and not We The People, to be America.
Is the electoral college not the method by which the US chooses its leaders?
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Gandalf wrote: 2017-10-26 07:47amIs the electoral college not the method by which the US chooses its leaders?
Unfortunately. There is a movement to change that, which I have gladly joined non-violently for about 17 years now. It would take a constitutional amendment, but that's been done before.

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Gandalf wrote: 2017-10-25 07:23pm
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-10-23 07:02pmOf course, I expect a Putin apologist or two to chime in any moment now in protest, probably with some nice false equivalencies attacking the United States (which does currently have a campaign against the free press by the President... who Russia backed).
The US' campaign against free press long predates this president,
Their were elements of the US that were anti-free press, but not this blatantly, at this level of power (in my lifetime, anyway). To pretend otherwise is dishonest, and is giving cover to both Trump and Putin.
for whom America voted.
I will once again remind you (and no doubt be ignored by those who wish to indulge their contempt for the American people) that Trump lost the popular vote by... what was it, nearly three million? Even discounting the numerous people who did not vote, voted third party, or simply could not vote due to voter suppression, being underage, not being citizens, having a felony conviction, etc.

And this isn't even getting into the question of weather illegal Russian interference on his behalf tipped the scales.

So saying that America voted for him is highly misleading, if not an explicit lie.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-10-26 01:37pmTheir were elements of the US that were anti-free press, but not this blatantly, at this level of power (in my lifetime, anyway). To pretend otherwise is dishonest, and is giving cover to both Trump and Putin.
Look up the records of the Bush II and Obama administrations when it comes to treatment of the free press. Trump may be more open about his contempt, but he's not without peer or precedent.
I will once again remind you (and no doubt be ignored by those who wish to indulge their contempt for the American people) that Trump lost the popular vote by... what was it, nearly three million? Even discounting the numerous people who did not vote, voted third party, or simply could not vote due to voter suppression, being underage, not being citizens, having a felony conviction, etc.

And this isn't even getting into the question of weather illegal Russian interference on his behalf tipped the scales.

So saying that America voted for him is highly misleading, if not an explicit lie.
The popular vote is irrelevant, and I'm pretty sure it has been since day one. The US chooses its president by use of electors, voted on by the voting populace (that shows up). Trump got way more electors. An introduction to the electoral college.

The system is messed up, but until such time as it's overturned, it's legitimate.
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Gandalf wrote: 2017-10-26 08:40pmThe popular vote is irrelevant, and I'm pretty sure it has been since day one. The US chooses its president by use of electors, voted on by the voting populace (that shows up). Trump got way more electors.
He actually had one of the narrowest electoral wins in history; flip two or three states out of fifty and he'd have lost the Electoral College. A few hundred thousand strategically placed votes would have done it.
The system is messed up, but until such time as it's overturned, it's legitimate.
The flip side of that is that if you argue "the popular will of American voters is irrelevant," then you can argue that Trump is legitimate... but you can't argue that the popular will of American voters is responsible for him. The popular will of American voters on the subject of "Trump or Hillary" was very much divided and leaning Hillarywards.

It's factually wrong for Trump to present his win as the biggest, yugest, most legitimizing victory; it doesn't become less wrong when someone else does it.

Yes, Trump won (possibly by cheating) in a system that the American people have not actively revolted against yet. But the system in question was NOT "get the most Americans to vote for you," and had that been the criterion he would have lost. If you're going to claim that Trump's legitimacy can come from something other than popular support, fine... But you can't say "he doesn't need popular support to have legitimacy, he has legitimacy, therefore he has popular support, therefore the populace should be judged as backing his actions."

Taken to extremes you'd be left claiming that the North Koreans as a whole are responsible for Kim Jong Un... because he has 'legitimacy' and no one rebels against him, and the fact that no one voted for him whatsoever doesn't matter under the North Korean system, now does it?
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Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-10-27 06:46amHe actually had one of the narrowest electoral wins in history; flip two or three states out of fifty and he'd have lost the Electoral College. A few hundred thousand strategically placed votes would have done it.
Yeah, too bad those people didn't turn up. Good job everyone!
The flip side of that is that if you argue "the popular will of American voters is irrelevant," then you can argue that Trump is legitimate... but you can't argue that the popular will of American voters is responsible for him. The popular will of American voters on the subject of "Trump or Hillary" was very much divided and leaning Hillarywards.

It's factually wrong for Trump to present his win as the biggest, yugest, most legitimizing victory; it doesn't become less wrong when someone else does it.

Yes, Trump won (possibly by cheating) in a system that the American people have not actively revolted against yet. But the system in question was NOT "get the most Americans to vote for you," and had that been the criterion he would have lost. If you're going to claim that Trump's legitimacy can come from something other than popular support, fine... But you can't say "he doesn't need popular support to have legitimacy, he has legitimacy, therefore he has popular support, therefore the populace should be judged as backing his actions."
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Where did I mention "popular will" aside from calling it irrelevant?
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I've split out TRR's most recent comment here. The next time an admin says "Back on topic, folks", the correct response is not to just carry on with an argument that has approximately zero to do with the OP. I mean, holy sweet merciful fuck, the word is "restraint".
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