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http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/politics/ ... index.html
Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore appeared on a conspiracy-driven radio show twice in 2011, where he told the hosts in an interview that getting rid of constitutional amendments after the Tenth Amendment would 'eliminate many problems' in the way the US government is structured.
See the link for the full article.

Well, it finally happened. I've been half-expecting it for a while, but I didn't expect it to happen so soon.

The Republicans are running a major candidate who supports re-legalizing slavery.

Now, Roy Moore is thankfully just one man, and its even possible that he just made a stupid knee-jerk small government statement without thinking about which amendments would be repealed and what that would entail, though I think that that may be giving him more benefit of the doubt than he really deserves.

However, for the record, I would regard a hypothetical repeal of the 13th. Amendment as sufficient grounds to justify the armed overthrow of the government, presuming that no other means to immediately remove it were available.

We fought one civil war to rid our nation of slavery, and we'll damn well fight another if we have to.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-12-11 07:08pm and its even possible that he just made a stupid knee-jerk small government statement without thinking about which amendments would be repealed and what that would entail,
My theory is he can't tell the difference between the Amendments and the Commandments. Certainly fits what I've read about him in far too many places around the Net. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Yup, he's a theocrat without a doubt. That is well-known, and was well-known long before this.

I'm a little bit stunned by this, though. I mean, maybe people are reading more into it than was intended- I'd sure as hell like to think so.

But a common theme of the Right of late has been the normalization of the previously unthinkable in what now passes for mainstream politics. White supremacy and Neo-Nazism. Child molestation. I guess maybe its slavery's turn.

The quote in my sig (which I added during the 2016 election) has never seemed so apt.
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He's still pro-slavery:
A historian destroys Roy Moore’s myth about ‘united’ black families during slavery

ere are the facts.

At a campaign event in September, one of the few African Americans in the audience asked Roy Moore, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Alabama, when he thought America had last been “great.” This was, of course, an allusion to the slogan of the 2016 Trump presidential campaign – “Make America Great Again” – a theme that Moore has enthusiastically embraced. Moore answered that, in his view, America had last been “great” during the era of slavery before the Civil War. He informed his questioner: “I think it was great at the time when families were united – even though we had slavery – they cared for one another . . . . Our families were strong, our country had a direction.” For Moore, who has built his political career around his supposed embrace of traditional family values, the Old South was a golden age.

Moore’s characterization of family life in the Old South is reminiscent of that expressed by southern proslavery apologists at the time. Governor James Henry Hammond of South Carolina, for example, a prominent slave owner, responded in 1844 to abolitionist charges that slavery disrupted southern family life by boasting that “there are fewer cases of divorce, separation, . . . seduction, rape, and bastardy than among any other five millions of people on the civilized earth.” Hammond’s claims are misleading at best. Social conventions and legal practices made divorce nearly impossible in most parts of the Old South; it was legally prohibited in Hammond’s South Carolina. Separation was made difficult by women’s limited legal and economic options and laws that transferred all of women’s property to the husband at the time of marriage. Cases of seduction, rape, and bastardy were seriously underreported because of social conventions and the possibility of public embarrassment. Of course, Hammond doesn’t even allude to the slave community, where marriages lacked legal recognition, families were frequently separated by movement or sale, and women and girls were often raped or coerced into sexual relationships with white men.

Hammond’s own marital and sexual behavior belies his (and Moore’s) claims about southern family life in the era of slavery. In his mid-twenties, he wooed and married Catherine Fitzsimmons, a sixteen-year-old who brought substantial family wealth into the union. He also began to buy slaves. In 1839 he acquired Sally, an eighteen-year old bondwoman, and Louisa, her young daughter. After fathering several slave children by Sally, he took twelve-year old Louisa as his mistress and fathered additional slave children with her.

Hammond’s sexual misconduct didn’t end with his females slaves. It also extended to his white relatives. Thanks to his voluminous diaries, which were discovered in 1989, we have an extensive record of his transgressions in his own words. In the early 1840s, he became sexually involved with his four “lovely and luscious” nieces, ages thirteen to eighteen. Although he apparently stopped short of sexual intercourse with them, he recorded that he loved “permitting my hands to stray unchecked over every part of them . . . in the most secret and sacred regions.” Eventually these dalliances became more than Catherine could abide and she separated from Hammond, before reconciling three years later, possibly because all of her wealth and social standing had remained with her husband.

Whether it comes from Moore now or Hammond in an earlier time, southern politicians’ claims about the idyllic nature of family life in the Old South often conceal a far darker side. In Hammond’s era, part of his sexual misconduct became political fodder; part remained hidden until his diaries were discovered. Even so, the South Carolina legislature eventually named him to the U.S. Senate. Moore may be traveling in Hammond’s footsteps.

But the evidence exists to correct their historical distortions. Over the past half century, with the emergence of women’s history and southern social history as important subfields of the broader discipline, historians have been able to fully illustrate the troubling truth about antebellum southern family life. New historical sources, such as Hammond’s diaries, have been discovered to aid in this pursuit. Nevertheless, popular mythologies – such as the one rendered by Moore – continue to paint the Old South as a golden age (and place) for family life. Fortunately, the historical voices of white women and black slaves still speak across the years to challenge these misrepresentations. Their words confront the historical inaccuracy (and alleged sexual misconduct) of both a James Henry Hammond and a Roy Moore. Me too!

Roy E. Finkenbine is Professor of History and Director of the Black Abolitionist Archive at the University of Detroit Mercy.
This article was originally published at History News Network
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It's fucking Alabama. They'll vote him in anyway, with praises that he's a "godly man" and likely think well of him for waiting for the girls to be fourteen rather than taking them at twelve.

Shit, getting picked up by a skeevy pedo with money should be hoped for! It's the best chance for their youngest sisterneice to get out of the tailer, after all.
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I have a $100 bet with a friend at work about weather Roy Moore will get re-elected or not.
Right now I feel sadly confident that he will be elected easily.
Oh well, 100 extra bucks for a sad turn of events
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Considering that establishment Republicans don't want him, the 17th is the only reason he's relevant today.
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Jabba the Trump would say, "This politician is my kind of scum!". :wanker:
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I don't have solid confirmation from a reliable source yet, but I'm already seeing reports surfacing on Facebook, etc. of widespread voter suppression in Moore's favor in Alabama. So take that as you will.

I suppose, if he's elected in a close race, it might be some small comfort to the sane Alabamans to know that his election doesn't necessarily represent the will of the majority of Alabamans. God knows that that knowledge was a comfort to me when Trump was elected.

If he wins by a wide margin, then I'll simply restate my usual position of "fuck Alabama"*, and hope against hope that the Democrats have the guts to brand the Republicans as the party of pedophiles in every future election.
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Well, a district court in Alabama issued an order to preserve ballot records for six months in the event of a recount yesterday. The state supreme court (which Moore used to head) reversed the order in the wee hours this morning, half an hour before the polls opened. So that's ominous.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2017-12-12 07:02pm I don't have solid confirmation from a reliable source yet, but I'm already seeing reports surfacing on Facebook, etc. of widespread voter suppression in Moore's favor in Alabama. So take that as you will.

I suppose, if he's elected in a close race, it might be some small comfort to the sane Alabamans to know that his election doesn't necessarily represent the will of the majority of Alabamans. God knows that that knowledge was a comfort to me when Trump was elected.

If he wins by a wide margin, then I'll simply restate my usual position of "fuck Alabama"*, and hope against hope that the Democrats have the guts to brand the Republicans as the party of pedophiles in every future election.
That its even close at all tells us all we need to know about Alabama.

Alabama, where pedophilia is enshrined. They can even change their state motto to "Bring the kids!"
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TimothyC wrote: 2017-12-12 10:44pm Thank you God he lost.
Barely. Less than 1%. No way Moore won't ask for a recount.
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The TV news said that Doug Jones won. Yes, even Fox is saying it. Apparently not a landslide, but a victory. No more details than that at present.

Wonder what the twitter storm is going to look like?
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Broomstick wrote: 2017-12-12 10:46pm The TV news said that Doug Jones won. Yes, even Fox is saying it. Apparently not a landslide, but a victory. No more details than that at present.

Wonder what the twitter storm is going to look like?
Which still says quite a bit about the people of Alabama.

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Elheru Aran wrote: 2017-12-12 10:46pm
TimothyC wrote: 2017-12-12 10:44pm Thank you God he lost.
Barely. Less than 1%. No way Moore won't ask for a recount.
Last count I saw was that it was up to about 1.5%. Alabama doesn't do automatic recounts unless the margin is less than 0.5%, so it's likely that if Moore wants a recount he will have to pay for it out of pocket.

Though before we pat Alabama on the back too hard, we should keep in mind that it was less the state rejecting a racist anti-Semitic child molester and more Black Alabamans dragging the rest of the state kicking and screaming in the direction of sanity. Black voters were heavily mobilized, and voted for Jones by similar margins that they did for Obama. White voters had much lower turnout, but most of those who did vote voted for Moore, even white women, which unfortunately matches up with how most white women who voted in 2016 voted for Donald "Grab 'Em By the Pussy" Trump.
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In that case, thank god for black voters in Alabama.
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Thank God for black voters in general. America would be a better place if more black people voted. I might or might not agree with literally everything that happened as a result, but we'd be better off.
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Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-12-13 03:07pmThank God for black voters in general. America would be a better place if more black people voted. I might or might not agree with literally everything that happened as a result, but we'd be better off.
If more black Americans voted, the South might stop being passive-aggressive about rolling back the Voting Rights Act and start straight-up campaigning to repeal it. And it might actually work.
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To quote one of my favourite movies:

OH WHAT A DAY! WHAT A LOVELY DAY! :D

As sad as it is that it took a pro-slavery pedophile to make Alabama (narrowly) go blue, this is still really, really big. If we can flip an Alabama Senate seat, despite voter supression attempts, then 2018 is looking pretty hopeful indeed. This result is proof that however dark things seem, there is always hope for a better future.

And (got this from Robert Reich on Facebook) Senate Democrats are apparently already calling for the final vote on the tax bill (now that they've reconciled the House and Senate versions) to be delayed until Jones can be seated, so that Alabama will have full representation.

That its Sessions' old seat is just the cherry on top.
Civil War Man wrote: 2017-12-13 09:06am
Elheru Aran wrote: 2017-12-12 10:46pm
TimothyC wrote: 2017-12-12 10:44pm Thank you God he lost.
Barely. Less than 1%. No way Moore won't ask for a recount.
Last count I saw was that it was up to about 1.5%. Alabama doesn't do automatic recounts unless the margin is less than 0.5%, so it's likely that if Moore wants a recount he will have to pay for it out of pocket.

Though before we pat Alabama on the back too hard, we should keep in mind that it was less the state rejecting a racist anti-Semitic child molester and more Black Alabamans dragging the rest of the state kicking and screaming in the direction of sanity. Black voters were heavily mobilized, and voted for Jones by similar margins that they did for Obama. White voters had much lower turnout, but most of those who did vote voted for Moore, even white women, which unfortunately matches up with how most white women who voted in 2016 voted for Donald "Grab 'Em By the Pussy" Trump.
White Southerners are overwhelmingly racist/misogynist. News at eleven.

Still, between the black vote, the youth vote, and the smaller number of sane older white folks... it was enough. This time, at least, it was enough.

Heh, I almost hope that Roy Moore pays for a recount out of his own pocket, and gets humiliated at his own expense. 8)
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A fantastic little piece of comedy produced by this election:

Witness the very definition of slack jawed incomprehension when Roy Moore's media minion Jake Tapper is told that you do not actually have to swear on a bible.
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Posted on his Facebook page by Dan Rather last night:

"An earthquake has shook the nation and out of the land of the Crimson Tide comes a wave of Blue.

We will likely find out it was powered by women, minorities, and the young. Yes it was a perfect storm, with allegations against Roy Moore of child molestation. Yes, there are a lot of caveats. And yes the Democrats had a strong candidate in Doug Jones.

But let's repeat. A year after Alabama gave their vote to President Donald Trump by nearly 30 percentage points, they have elected a Democrat to the United States Senate. If you had suggested such a development a few months ago, you would have been accused of smoking something pretty expensive.

As long as we have free elections, this country has a chance. As long as the tide of decency swells in our electorate, we have a chance. As long as people organize, and people believe, this country has a chance.

Steady, I have cautioned. Steady, is a chapter in my book. Steady is the word of the day. The great pendulum of our nation is maybe swinging its way back to normalcy.

I have been thinking that the last time I felt this way on a day to day basis might very well have been when I was a child following the daily desperate news reports on the momentous battles of the Second World War. There was a deep sense that the fate of the world hung in the balance and there were tides of optimism and despair.

But after early defeats and dark days, the great tide swung towards freedom. There were pitched battles ahead back then, but liberty emerged victorious. There is that feeling once again tonight."
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Zaune wrote: 2017-12-13 05:05pm
Simon_Jester wrote: 2017-12-13 03:07pmThank God for black voters in general. America would be a better place if more black people voted. I might or might not agree with literally everything that happened as a result, but we'd be better off.
If more black Americans voted, the South might stop being passive-aggressive about rolling back the Voting Rights Act and start straight-up campaigning to repeal it. And it might actually work.
Or else they'll find out that they don't have the votes to repeal voting rights.
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I really hope they don't, but at this point I'm not ruling out anything.
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Vendetta wrote: 2017-12-13 05:20pm A fantastic little piece of comedy produced by this election:

Witness the very definition of slack jawed incomprehension when Roy Moore's media minion Jake Tapper is told that you do not actually have to swear on a bible.
Point of fact; Jake Tapper is the interviewer, not the interviewee. He was doing the telling, not being told.
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