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Trump supporters in London build gallows, attempt to "arrest" Mayor Kahn.

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For "treachery, tyranny, and disrespecting President Trump", apparently, though they might have skipped the pretense and just said "for being Muslim."

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An anti-Islamic nationalist wheeled a homemade gallows into central London, led a group of men into a conference hall and attempted to "arrest" the city's first Muslim mayor as he gave a speech Saturday.

The group failed, and was eventually escorted out by the same police officers they had asked to apprehend Mayor Sadiq Kahn. They still managed to delay the speech for 15 minutes as they accused Kahn of treachery, tyranny, and disrespecting President Trump
But as Kahn prepared to give his address, a man named Davey Russell and about a half-dozen others towed a wooden frame with a noose onto a street outside the auditorium. They had decorated it with the emblem of a white dragon, and written on the top: "TAKE BACK CONTROL."

Russell told reporters outside the conference that his group was called the Pendragons.
Okay, fuck them extra for appropriating and disgracing the family name of King Arthur.
But an ITV reporter, among others, identified him as a leading member of the English Defense League, a well-known far-right organization. Russell also is host of an anti-Islamic radio show, which Kent Online reported was raided by police several years ago.
Khan took the microphone and managed to say, "Thank you," before a man in a trench coat approached the table and interrupted his speech.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are here today to make a peaceful, nonviolent citizen's arrest of those named," the man said.
Because bringing a gallows is totally not an implied threat.
He named Khan and Parliament member Kate Green, who was chairing the event, and two other speakers.
Police had still not arrived after 10 minutes or so. One of the Pendragons walked up to Khan's table and showed him an American flag, which he was holding backward.

"Mr. Khan," the man said, "there's millions of British people supporting Donald Trump."

The audience booed especially loudly at this.
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Eventually, Sky News reported, Khan began to read a newspaper.
:lol:

Man's got class.
After a quarter-hour standoff, Russell pointed his cellphone at his own face and happily announced to his Facebook viewers: "There's an inspector outside we have to speak to now over these charges against Sadiq Kahn."

But when the constable walked into the room, he simply told Russell, "You'll have to leave now."

Russell handed the officer a sheet of paper outlining his complaints. One of them cited the Coronation Oath Act of 1688. The officer looked at it. "We are going to investigated," he promised, not entirely convincingly.
I notice he didn't say WHO they'd be investigating. :wink:
"Well, the grounds for the arrest are all there," Russell said.

"We don't do citizen's arrests," the officer explained. "We do lawful arrests."
Buuurrrrn.
Khan stood up and resumed his speech. "It's a pleasure to be here," he said, "even though we were distracted by the actions of what some would call very stable geniuses."
Okay, I'm officially a fan of this guy.

But as funny as this is, its also a disturbing reminder that the President of the United States is now acting as a figurehead for a global neo-fascist movement.
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Loyalty to the leader of a foreign nation instead of a leader in your nation (or to your nation itself) is treason.
So it is this group who are the traitors.
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Par the course, Britain and the US leading the way as snake pits for various neo nazi scum.

Deeply sick militaristic & nationalistic culture, also coupled with revanchism and bitterness in Britain’s case, could not produce a different result.

I am surprised they did not come with tar and feathers.
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I'm not sure in Britain that treason is anything less than attempted regicide.
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K. A. Pital wrote: 2018-01-16 04:38am Par the course, Britain and the US leading the way as snake pits for various neo nazi scum.

Deeply sick militaristic & nationalistic culture, also coupled with revanchism and bitterness in Britain’s case, could not produce a different result.

I am surprised they did not come with tar and feathers.
This was like six guys and they accomplished nothing. Officials basically ignored them, brushed them off, and rejected every detail of their claims. They were made to appear feeble and pathetic.

Treating them as representative of a larger overall phenomenon seems unwarranted.

I mean, you can argue that they should have been torn limb from limb by a howling mob for daring to do this, but at that point you're not condemning nations for being "snake pits of neo-Naziism," you're condemning nations for NOT having a norm of violently beating up unpopular political movements. Which strikes me as a bad thing to condemn even if the unpopular movement in question is disgusting.
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Simon_Jester wrote: 2018-01-16 10:58amThis was like six guys and they accomplished nothing. Officials basically ignored them, brushed them off, and rejected every detail of their claims. They were made to appear feeble and pathetic.

Treating them as representative of a larger overall phenomenon seems unwarranted.

I mean, you can argue that they should have been torn limb from limb by a howling mob for daring to do this, but at that point you're not condemning nations for being "snake pits of neo-Naziism," you're condemning nations for NOT having a norm of violently beating up unpopular political movements. Which strikes me as a bad thing to condemn even if the unpopular movement in question is disgusting.
I could've replied like a witty Jacobin - pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté - but...

Yes, it is true that "officials basically ignored them". However, in terms of social popularity, neofascists are definetely on the rise. To you, they appear feeble and pathetic. To the Breitbart public or to the extreme "Rule Britannia!" Brexiteers they're not, they're heroes of a new struggle.

It's not about whether fascists get a right to speak. They had the right since a very long time. It is about the perception social acceptability. Somehow such things seem to become more and more mundane and more acceptable.

Notice I've said seem to - maybe it is the media who are giving them unneeded publicity, maybe in reality society is progressing into the right direction of becoming more immune to fascism (though it sure does't seem that way).
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K. A. Pital wrote: 2018-01-16 04:38am Par the course, Britain and the US leading the way as snake pits for various neo nazi scum.

Deeply sick militaristic & nationalistic culture, also coupled with revanchism and bitterness in Britain’s case, could not produce a different result.

I am surprised they did not come with tar and feathers.
If I were to call a country leading the way on that area, I'd start with Russia and then go to various ex-communist eastern European states. UK and the USA are more par for the course fascism-wise compared to other major industrialized countries.

Trump is a leading symbol for fascist types, because they can read their views into his buffoonish rhetoric, but he can find enough actual fascists or fascist adjacent to staff his government so he governs like a standard GOPer, albeit one of low competence.

Despite much hyperventilation on the internet about neo-Nazis in America, their movement is marginal and lacks the elite support need to be a real faction in American politics. The problem remains the well funded and mobilized plutocrats and reactionaries who display remarkable levels of venality and incompetence.
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Russia is authoritarian, so fascist ideas find a certain level of support from the state there.

However, it the social acceptability of being a neofascist (“alt-right”) has hit unseen levels in other nations as well. Now it is the Russian fascists who kowtow and parrot Trump’s friends from the right - I’ve been reading a lot pf what they write, know thy enemy and all.

They transplant onto realities of Russia absolutely foreign talking point, e.g. protecting Confederate memorials, and have taken a sharp anti-feminist lurch whereas before it was an absolutely tangential issue.

It seems that the alt-right influences a lot of other fascist movements to parrot their points, no matter their relevance or applicability to a given nation.

Dangerously enough, Brexit revanchists are also becoming important in the Eastern European right space, and not in the “losers” way, mind you.
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It's even catching on over here with Australia's own angry young white people. This has made teaching at university awkward, when you get young alt reich halfwits trying to disrupt tutorials by declaring things propaganda/fake news/Marxism. Trump's win normalised a lot of ideas and emboldened a lot of people.
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Yep.

I had a guy in university claiming that the Persians founded civilization as we know it because they too were arian. In Germany, in 2018.

At least he was laughed out of the classroom but still.

EDIT: Funny thing is the guy wasn't even German. Maybe a naturalized German but his last name was definitely bulgarian.
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Thanas wrote: 2018-01-18 10:24am Yep.

I had a guy in university claiming that the Persians founded civilization as we know it because they too were arian. In Germany, in 2018.

At least he was laughed out of the classroom but still.

EDIT: Funny thing is the guy wasn't even German. Maybe a naturalized German but his last name was definitely bulgarian.
Honest I don't find it that odd, from what I've read these kinds of movements are quite popular in the Eastern Europe (if we have members from that region who can tell if I'm wrong or not, it would be appreciated.)
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Yes, they are, it's what I also said earlier.

They do exist and even enjoy some state patronage, because what can better protect the state and do dirty work, than a bunch of right-wing mobsters Freikorps.

The big change is them parroting the alt-right talking points all over the world. Which points to the fact that the brain center of this shit isn't actually in Eastern Europe, at least from what I see.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2018-01-18 11:56am Honest I don't find it that odd, from what I've read these kinds of movements are quite popular in the Eastern Europe (if we have members from that region who can tell if I'm wrong or not, it would be appreciated.)
No that is not that odd but before Trump I never heard such an opinion being said publicly. Whether it is due to Trump or the successs of Le Pen / AFD is another question and most likely it is a combination of factors. However having the most powerful state run by such an idiot is clearly contributing.
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The US is also one of the places where moderate amounts of political money can actually get thrown behind fascist or semi-fascist politics. There's so much money in all of our politics, with so much talent and experience going into using that money to manipulate public opinion, especially in the Republican machine as a whole that shades over into fascism and the alt-right on the fringe.

Even a fraction of it is probably enough to pay a fair-sized staff of Goebbels wannabes to create slogans that can get re-purposed around the world.
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