Some states are holding state and local elections tonight, including my own state of Colorado. I regret to say I didn't get around to sending a ballot in, although I doubt that it matters much this time- most of it was just local initiatives and offices and such that I know little about as an overseas voter, and my county is pretty damn blue without my vote, at least in national elections.
The big news nationally is Kentucky, where it looks like a solid red state has just got a Democratic governor:
https://vox.com/policy-and-politics/201 ... dy-beshear
https://vox.com/policy-and-politics/201 ... ve-results
God Damn close, and it looks like a third party Libertarian run probably made the difference, but still. Kentucky just went blue.
And the blue Tsunami keeps on rolling!
Edit: Looks like the Republican is refusing to concede, demanding a recount.
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Virginia State Legislature flipped from Republican to Democrat!
This is shaping up to be a good night.
This is shaping up to be a good night.
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Someone just pointed out to me that with Virginia now all-blue at the state level, it is positioned to become the 38th state to ratify the long-dormant Equal Rights Amendment, thereby achieving the number of states needed to amend the Constitution to guarantee equality for women.
https://cnn.com/2019/11/04/opinions/vir ... index.html
They'd still need to get the House and Senate to agree to amend the seven-year deadline, but with Virginia in Democratic hands, one half of the remaining hurdles to Constitutionally guaranteeing legal equality to women in America is removed.
https://cnn.com/2019/11/04/opinions/vir ... index.html
They'd still need to get the House and Senate to agree to amend the seven-year deadline, but with Virginia in Democratic hands, one half of the remaining hurdles to Constitutionally guaranteeing legal equality to women in America is removed.
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It looks like the Dems also took Kentucky as well. That was a pleasant surprise.
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Yup. Its a good night.
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It looks like Bevin and the Kentucky legislature are preparing to steal the governor's race, using the recount demand (based on unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and fraud allegations) to invoke a law that allows the (Republican) state legislature to decide a disputed election:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... ction.html
One can hope that the Supreme Court would strike such a blatantly fraudulent act down. But the current Roberts court has not been friendly to the rights of voters overall thus far.
If this happens, there needs to be protest on such a scale that it brings the whole damn state to a screeching halt.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... ction.html
Yeah. They're planning to declare the loser the winner and steal the election, in plain view of the entire nation.Will the Kentucky Legislature assist Matt Bevin in stealing the governor’s race from Democrat Andy Beshear, who appeared to have won Tuesday’s election by about 5,000 votes? Ordinarily, I would consider the possibility preposterous. We do not live in ordinary times, though, and on Wednesday Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers raised the prospect that his institution, not the voters, could determine the outcome of the race. If Stivers and Republican Kentucky legislators were to make such a hardball move without good evidence that there were major problems with the vote count, the election would likely end up in federal court, where it is anyone’s guess what would happen. Either way, that we’re even discussing this potentiality one year before Donald Trump—who has repeatedly challenged the vote totals in his 2016 election victory—is set to face reelection is a wrenching sign for our already-damaged democracy.
Bevin, the incumbent Republican governor, was deeply unpopular in part due to an extended fight with Kentucky’s teachers. He tried to tie himself to Trump, who visited the state just before the election and asked his Kentucky supporters to vote for Bevin as a way to help the president: “If you win, they are going to make it like, ho hum. And if you lose, they are going to say Trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. You can’t let that happen.”
But Trump’s exhortations apparently weren’t enough. With about all the votes counted, Beshear leads by about 5,000 votes. He declared victory on election night but Bevin did not concede, citing unspecified irregularities. Bevin has since provided just a bit more information, but his claims are still incredibly vague. As Politico reported:
Without providing details, Bevin cited ‘thousands of absentee ballots that were illegally counted,’ reports of voters being ‘incorrectly turned away’ from polling places and ‘a number of machines that didn’t work properly.’ He said his campaign would provide more information as it is gathered, and he did not take questions from reporters.
Bevin certainly deserves a chance to make his case, though so far he has suspiciously refused to provide details of his claims. Kentucky does have a history of voter fraud, though much less in recent years. If Bevin can substantiate his charges, they would warrant a full and fair hearing. Bevin has also asked for a “recanvassing” of votes, essentially just to make sure that the reported vote totals line up with the totals from voting machines. That is also a reasonable request to make.
But Bevin may be doing more than that, and here’s where things can get weird. Kentucky has a set of rules to resolve contested elections, but those rules do not apply to a governor’s race. Instead, the state constitution provides that “Contested elections for Governor and Lieutenant Governor shall be determined by both Houses of the General Assembly, according to such regulations as may be established by law.” According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, the last time the Legislature resolved a governor’s race under this procedure was 1899.
Suppose, as seems most likely, that Bevin cannot come up with evidence of voter fraud or other problems that could plausibly swing a 5,000-vote margin. Would the Republican-dominated Legislature still attempt to hand the governorship back to Bevin? If it did hand Bevin the victory—even without evidence of fraud or major error—could federal courts refuse to review the decision as an action committed by the state legislature in accordance with the state constitution?
There’s some question about whether the normal rules apply anymore.
To begin with, there are both political and normative reasons why the Kentucky Legislature usurping the power of the voters is unlikely. Politically, Bevin was not popular with the Republican Legislature to begin with, and the Legislature would face serious national public blowback if it declared the loser of the election the winner based on flimsy evidence. This goes against all the norms of democracy that we hope remain in place.
But there’s some question about whether the normal rules apply anymore. We have already seen Republican state legislatures in places like Wisconsin and North Carolina go so far as to strip powers from incoming Democratic governors. We’ve reached the point where it is conceivable that the Kentucky Legislature could go even further and make the election loser the winner. Stivers himself expressed support for Bevin, noting that the Libertarian gubernatorial candidate got 2 percent of the vote, more than the difference between Bevin and Beshear. Stivers remarked that “most of those votes … [w]ould have gone to Bevin.”
Stivers’ point would be an excellent one in arguing for the adoption of ranked choice voting, which would have allocated the Libertarian Party candidate’s votes to the voters’ second choice. But it is emphatically not an argument to overturn the results of a fair election run under rules giving the plurality winner the right to the seat. I am very wary—and often critical—of claims of “stolen” elections, but if Stivers does what he is hinting at it would be a case where such a label would be justified.
If the Kentucky Legislature did go through with a theft attempt, no doubt Beshear would file a lawsuit in federal court. As Sam Marcosson, a constitutional law professor at the University of Louisville Brandeis School of Law, told the Courier-Journal:
If the House and Senate were just to proceed on vague allegations without proof, that raises serious questions about disenfranchisement of the voters who voted for Attorney General Beshear. It’s an extraordinary proposition to suggest that the General Assembly would take vague allegations of unspecified irregularities and call into question a gubernatorial election.
It is not certain that federal courts would get involved, perhaps preferring to leave matters in the hands of political branches granted the power to resolve disputes under the state constitution. Still, Beshear would be able to raise arguments under the 14th Amendment’s equal protection and due process clauses. He could also point to the part of Bush v. Gore—the decision ending the 2000 presidential contest—that held “having once granted the right to vote on equal terms,” a state “may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.” A system that declares the election loser the winner on arbitrary grounds would certainly value the votes for the loser over those of the winner.
Such an effort would also violate due process, which protects against arbitrary government treatment in elections. It calls to mind an important 1995 11th Circuit case, Roe v. Alabama, which found a due process violation when a state appeared to change the rules for conducting recounts for a state supreme court race after the election was held. If the Kentucky Legislature adopts new contest rules that deprive Beshear of fundamental fairness, that could violate due process under Roe.
A lot of bad things would have to happen for Beshear not to be the next governor of Kentucky. Either the election would have to be so marred by fraud or problems that it fairly calls the results into question, or the Kentucky Legislature would have to abandon democratic values and allow the election loser to become the election winner, with federal courts staying on the sidelines.
We may not live in ordinary times, but if the latter scenario comes to pass, our democracy is in great trouble as we look ahead to 2020.
One can hope that the Supreme Court would strike such a blatantly fraudulent act down. But the current Roberts court has not been friendly to the rights of voters overall thus far.
If this happens, there needs to be protest on such a scale that it brings the whole damn state to a screeching halt.
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Well, looks like Bevin has conceded after all, so all's well that ends well.
Also, Democrat John Bel Edwards has won reelection as governor of Louisiana, despite Trump stumping for his opponent. Moreover, the Dems kept the Republicans from winning a supermajority in Louisiana, meaning Edwards will retain his veto power and can keep the Republican legislature in check.
Also, Democrat John Bel Edwards has won reelection as governor of Louisiana, despite Trump stumping for his opponent. Moreover, the Dems kept the Republicans from winning a supermajority in Louisiana, meaning Edwards will retain his veto power and can keep the Republican legislature in check.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.