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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 24871.html
Jordan Peterson suffers year of 'absolute hell' and needs emergency treatment for drug addiction that forced him to withdraw from public life, daughter says
Controversial psychologist's daughter says his efforts to come off drug left him in 'unbearable discomfort'

Jordan Peterson has been forced to pursue “emergency” drug detox treatment in Russia after getting hooked on highly addictive psychoactive anti-anxiety drugs, his daughter has said.

The Canadian psychologist, who has attracted a substantial far-right following, has withdrawn from the public eye due to his spiralling addiction to benzodiazepines.

Withdrawal symptoms of benzodiazepines, which include Valium, Xanex and others, include acute anxiety, panic attacks, vomiting, insomnia, muscle twitches, headaches, paranoia, memory loss and in the most extreme instances seizures which can cause death.


Peterson’s daughter, Mikhaila Peterson, said his physical dependence on benzodiazepine tranquilisers first became clear to his family last April when his wife of 30 years, Tammy, was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

The controversial academic had been consuming the drug for years to alleviate persistent anxiety in the wake of a severe autoimmune reaction to food.

The daughter of the University of Toronto professor released a video detailing the deterioration of her father’s health, saying he had “nearly died several times”.

She said his attempts to stop himself taking the drug left him in “unbearable discomfort” over the past eight months and that he has been in an induced coma.

Mikhaila said he was receiving treatment in Russia after a number of US hospitals wrongly diagnosed him.

His daughter, who described the last year as “absolute hell” but says he is now “on the mend”, said he has suffered withdrawal symptoms and akathisia – a kind of movement disorder she referred to as “incredible, endless, irresistible restlessness, bordering on panic.”

he said: “He’s had to spend four weeks in the ICU in terrible shape, but, with the help of some extremely competent and courageous doctors, he survived. The uncertainty around his recovery has been one of the most difficult and scary experiences we’ve ever had.”

Peterson was fairly unknown outside of his discipline until 2016, when he declared he would not use gender-neutral pronouns for transgender students at the University of Toronto.

The "alt-right" figurehead, who has written a number of popular books, has billed himself as a foe of so-called political correctness. Attracting widespread accusations of transphobia, he has criticised “political correctness” linked to transgender rights, cultural appropriation, and environmentalism.

He once urged women to stand up against their “crazy, harpy sisters”, and has been condemned for failing to reprimanding his supporters when they bombard his critics with vitriolic abuse.

Peterson’s daughter said he had only just left an intensive care unit and was currently suffering from neurological damage, adding that he was some distance from full recovery.
For those unfamiliar with this man, he became known for refusing to use gender neutral pronouns. He also has engaged in some funny hypocritical shit, namely saying the use of the term climate change denier is a smear (as opposed to an accurate description of a person's beliefs), then looked completely stupid when it was pointed out earlier he had referred to an opponent as a "biological denier."

Jordan Peterson who talks about only God can cure addiction, more specifically tobacco addiction (despite the wealth of medical knowledge on treatment) himself is using shock, horror, medical science to treat his addiction.

Oh, and he is also worshipped by right wingers who hate feminism for some reason.

And I found this interesting.
Mikhaila said he was receiving treatment in Russia after a number of US hospitals wrongly diagnosed him.
Let me put hypothesise what happened. He didn't tell the doctors he was using shit loads of benzodiazepines. Also as someone who worked for 6 months in a drug and alcohol rehab centre, prolong use of benzodiazepines are weaned off very slowly to minimise withdrawal symptoms as opposed to the "emergency" drug detox program he is getting.
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There is a certain irony to a man whose entire philosophy can be boiled down to 'unless your life is perfect, don't criticize the world (also fascism is good)' having been in the grips of a powerful drug addiction for pretty much the entire time he was telling people how to live. The immanent critique writes itself.
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Maybe he should follow his own advice on addiction, that is, change the addiction with something else. As opposed to stopping it outright and dealing with the severe physiological consequences. Apparently his daughter says he tried slowly tapering but failed.

Before someone gets riled up and triggered that I am making fun of his disease, this is the man who said you can't cure tobacco addiction by medical knowledge, it can only be cured by God. So yeah.
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mr friendly guy wrote: 2020-02-09 05:42am Oh, and he is also worshipped by right wingers who hate feminism for some reason.
The man is a putrid little shill who basically wraps pseudo-Alt Reichist bullshit up in a nice packaging of psychology, "self-help", etc, along with the usual bullshit about "political correctness" and "free speech" (this from a guy who once threatened to sue a critic for calling him a misogynist, because of course free speech is only for him, not for his critics). He's basically a gateway to sucker gullible fools onto the path to neo-fascism.

His fucking book has been on the bestseller list for forever, and since I work in a bookstore, I've had the "privilege" of selling many a copy, generally to young/middle-aged white guys who's appearance can best be described by the term "dudebro". I never fail to feel ashamed for selling it to them, or to feel sorry for the women I see accompanying them.
Mikhaila said he was receiving treatment in Russia after a number of US hospitals wrongly diagnosed him.
I mean, it sounds like he had a completely non-political reason for it, but reading this, I couldn't help thinking "Story about an Alt Reich guy, of course there's a Russian connection." :lol:
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Saw a Twitter thread about this to the other day. The gist of it was that he spent years on his stupid all-meat diet, then when for no reason whatsoever he had digestion issues he got hooked on painkillers instead of admitting these things might be related, then he ignored the stupid doctors and went to some shady clinic in Russia to stop the benzos cold turkey, and this is a rare case of the world actually dishing out completely appropriate bad things to someone based on their entire worldview and actions. Only way it could be better is if the people at the clinic refused to use his real name.
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What is it with the right wing and Russia?
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Ralin wrote: 2020-02-09 06:26am Saw a Twitter thread about this to the other day. The gist of it was that he spent years on his stupid all-meat diet, then when for no reason whatsoever he had digestion issues he got hooked on painkillers instead of admitting these things might be related, then he ignored the stupid doctors and went to some shady clinic in Russia to stop the benzos cold turkey, and this is a rare case of the world actually dishing out completely appropriate bad things to someone based on their entire worldview and actions. Only way it could be better is if the people at the clinic refused to use his real name.
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Knife wrote: 2020-02-09 12:46pm What is it with the right wing and Russia?
It's pretty much what Republicans want for the US.
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Knife wrote: 2020-02-09 12:46pm What is it with the right wing and Russia?
See the second quote in my sig.

But basically, Russia has been the "enemy" of the US for a long time, so people who hate the US/Western "establishment" tend to turn to it for leadership. And the Kremlin is happy to use these people, fund them, egg them on, give them credibility, in order to destabilize America, in addition to sharing certain values with the current Republican Party (state capitalism, unfettered corruption, marginalization of LGBTQ+ people, hostility to "modern" Western values like feminism, viewing Islam as a threat, etc.).

Or to put it more simply: Russia is a predominantly white, culturally conservative, authoritarian nationalist state where the boundaries between state, business, and the Mafia have been basically erased. And as Gandalf put it, that's pretty much what Republicans want for America.
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Knife wrote: 2020-02-09 12:46pm What is it with the right wing and Russia?
In this case? Drug access, medical regulation, and wealth. The article claims that US hospitals wrongly diagnosed him, like OP says the more likely situation is that he wasn't being honest about the cause of his issues and absolutely didn't want to tell them the truth and probably didn't want to tell his family either. Treatment (for the wrong ailments) commences, shit goes wrong, and now he (or his family) want to pull the plug on treatment or find something new to try and fix the train wreck that has occurred. They need a new plan.


Even money his solution either doesn't include actually cutting out Benzos OR that he wants to cut them out entirely and wants to never ever have to deal with detox and rehab therapy because it cuts into his idea of manliness/agency/whatever. In which case he needs a place where 1.) Benzos are commercially available, 2.) medical regulations are lax enough for alternative therapies for drug treatment, and, crucially, 3.) he can use his wealth to parlay that into special access to doctors and first world medical facilities.

The number of countries that overlap on that list is miniscule. In that context, Russia makes a lot of sense to go to.
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Good.

If something like this happened in the past I wouldn't be celebrating, but I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm entitled to schadenfreude when destructive assholes get hoist by their own petard.
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loomer wrote: 2020-02-09 05:45am There is a certain irony to a man whose entire philosophy can be boiled down to 'unless your life is perfect, don't criticize the world (also fascism is good)' having been in the grips of a powerful drug addiction for pretty much the entire time he was telling people how to live. The immanent critique writes itself.
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What addiction experts in the misdiagnosing West thinks of claims by Peterson's daughter

Its a long article from Vice, so I will put out snippets I considered relevant.
Dr. Evan Wood, an addiction medicine physician and scientist with the British Columbia Centre on Substance Use, said that while he can’t comment on the specifics of Peterson’s situation, Mikhaila’s statement that doctors in Canada don’t have “the guts” to detox someone off benzos is completely inaccurate.

“There’s a whole community of substance use professionals who routinely provide care for people who’ve become addicted to benzodiazepines and that would involve a tapering of the medication,” he said. The reason for that is slowly tapering off the drug lessens the likelihood of relapse, he said, adding going into a medically induced coma is “very extreme” and would typically only ever happen in Canada due to severe alcohol withdrawal symptoms. (There’s no indication that Peterson is seeking treatment for alcohol issues.)

Wood said tapering people off benzos can be “very challenging,” and can take up to a year.
Wood also said that getting through the detox, as Mikhaila said Peterson has done, doesn’t mean a person won’t relapse.
But guys, according to Peterson's daughter, he doesn't have a "psychological addiction" its all physiological, so should be ok now that he has undergone detox.
Mikhaila also specified that her dad does not have “psychological addiction” to benzos but developed a dependency, a distinction that Peterson’s followers seem to be fixated on.

Wood said he doesn’t make a medical distinction between people who are physically dependent because of prescribed drugs and those who have an addiction, defined as “ongoing use in the face of harms.”

“I hate to see people categorized as though they’re bad people because they’re addicted,” he said. “The physical manifestation is the same but if you have access to the drug and you’re prescribed then you could call it dependence.”
No doubt by saying its not "psychological" its implying that Peterson doesn't have bad morality or is mentally strong. After all he has made his money off the message of taking responsibility.
Public health expert and University of Calgary professor Rebecca Haines-Saah said Mikhaila’s statements imply that there are no safe medical detox options for benzos available in Canada.

“I think that’s quite a bit of misinformation for people who may be vulnerable or feel like they might need treatment for that,” she said. “Given the influence of the Peterson family online and their large following I think some of this information that may not be evidence-based can be taken up and get legs and I think that’s a bit dangerous.”
Jordan Peterson using evidence based medicine? :lol: Remember, God is the only effective way of treating tobacco addiction, and fuck all those peer reviewed studies showing medications do.

Also JP thinks pictures of snakes entwining around each other drawn by ancient civilisations is proof that ancient civilisations understood DNA. No, I am not making this shit up. We have video evidence of him in his lectures saying this.
Ontario, where Peterson lives, has a number of public and private drug detox options.

Haines-Saah also said the story also raises a lot of questions, including how Peterson allegedly nearly died several times due to the treatment he received in North America.

There may be parts of the story that aren’t being shared publicly,” she said.
Yeah, that was my thought as well when they said a lot of Western doctors misdiagnosed him.
Petersons’s supporters have been quick to admonish people who aren’t particularly sympathetic to him.

“The critique of this is the family is asking for compassion but maybe there’s a sense that they haven't been that compassionate to other individuals who've experienced addiction,” Haines-Saah said.

(One of Peterson’s lectures on Youtube is titled “the problem of too much empathy.”)
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This guy doesn't even have enough empathy for trans people to call them a preferred pronoun. I don't see this any different as people wanting to be called a preferred name or nickname instead of the name on their birth certificate. Its not a big deal.
But even the narrative around Peterson’s addiction and recovery send a message that in order to be a “real man” one must undertake a detox without the aid of other medications, said Haines-Saah. It’s in line with his views around masculinity. The same goes for the focus on Peterson’s physical dependence versus a psychological addiction.

“That’s advancing the power of the will the psychology versus the physiological dependence,” she said. “It really does support the idea of addiction as a moral failing.”
I would rather trust medical science than Peterson's pseudoscientific psychobabble when it comes to treating real medical conditions. Anytime someone thinks JP's works are scientific, point out he thinks ancient artwork of snakes wrapped around each other means ancient people understood DNA.
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I wonder if he can manage in Russia. I hear there's a LOBSTER shortage over there.
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mr friendly guy wrote: 2020-02-13 07:13pm Jordan Peterson using evidence based medicine? :lol: Remember, God is the only effective way of treating tobacco addiction, and fuck all those peer reviewed studies showing medications do.

Also JP thinks pictures of snakes entwining around each other drawn by ancient civilisations is proof that ancient civilisations understood DNA. No, I am not making this shit up. We have video evidence of him in his lectures saying this.
Is he even truly religious in the first place? I seem to recall seeing a bit where he waffled on the "interesting question" of whether or not he actually believed in the resurrection of Jesus when he was asked directly, because he couldn't admit to his right-wing fanbase that he didn't actually agree with them.
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No, not really. He's a Nietzschean in an old school sense that life has no meaning other than what we make of it. He stared into that void and recoiled in horror and said giving up on 'tradition' is bad and that we have to bring ourselves back to the beliefs of our elders to try and restore the meaning they had. Which means, of course he doesn't think that god exists, but that we should act as if they do to not be emotionally bereft in our lives.
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There's a lot of that that comes through in his wretched misuse of Jung. No man has done more to discredit modern Jungian thought than Peterson, sadly.
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JP was promoting a meat only diet to tackle depression. This sent him into depression and now he is a vegetable.
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Out of curiosity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... se/567613/

So, he got the quack advice from his doctor, claimed it solved his depression and insomnia.... Except oops, he drank apple cider once and got knocked out for an month, predicted by his daughter. Can't sleep... Frozen rigidity...

Given that quackery.... I highly doubt the unscientific autoimmune allergy is nothing more than quackery invented by an ND or the such. He was put on benzo likely for anxiety attacks.

How. His daughter is convincing him to "detox", something which can kill a person.

Being sent to the iCU and etc actually suggest Benzo withdrawal delirium. ,Seizure or even a coma.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/essentials ... tment/amp/

For some odd reason, the delirium from Benzo withdrawal isn't as crazy as Alcohol withdrawal in my experience but both sucks.. conversation would be.... Very weird.
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The irony is too rich.

When I was going through a rough spot a while ago I went to the clinic and my normal doctor wasn't there. The doctor I talked to prescribed me:

Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life
A brief course of Diazepam (a - you guessed it - benzodiazepine)
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GuppyShark wrote: 2020-02-27 07:45pm The irony is too rich.

When I was going through a rough spot a while ago I went to the clinic and my normal doctor wasn't there. The doctor I talked to prescribed me:

Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life
A brief course of Diazepam (a - you guessed it - benzodiazepine)
Forget the benzo-prescribing Jordan Peterson should be grounds for a malpractice suit. :lol:
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GuppyShark wrote: 2020-02-27 07:45pm The irony is too rich.

When I was going through a rough spot a while ago I went to the clinic and my normal doctor wasn't there. The doctor I talked to prescribed me:

Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life
A brief course of Diazepam (a - you guessed it - benzodiazepine)
I wonder if the RACGP would have an opinion on Jordan Peterson and one of their members suggesting such bullshit.
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Given recent events, I may ask them. Thanks for the tip.
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Ralin wrote: 2020-02-09 06:26am Saw a Twitter thread about this to the other day. The gist of it was that he spent years on his stupid all-meat diet, then when for no reason whatsoever he had digestion issues he got hooked on painkillers instead of admitting these things might be related, then he ignored the stupid doctors and went to some shady clinic in Russia to stop the benzos cold turkey, and this is a rare case of the world actually dishing out completely appropriate bad things to someone based on their entire worldview and actions. Only way it could be better is if the people at the clinic refused to use his real name.
Benzodiazepines aren’t painkillers. They’re hypnotics used to treat anxiety or insomnia. They wouldn’t help with his tummy troubles, where opioids might (but would be fucking drastic). The only thing they really have in common with opioids is respiratory depression and addiction potential.
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FireNexus wrote: 2020-02-28 12:34pm
Ralin wrote: 2020-02-09 06:26am Saw a Twitter thread about this to the other day. The gist of it was that he spent years on his stupid all-meat diet, then when for no reason whatsoever he had digestion issues he got hooked on painkillers instead of admitting these things might be related, then he ignored the stupid doctors and went to some shady clinic in Russia to stop the benzos cold turkey, and this is a rare case of the world actually dishing out completely appropriate bad things to someone based on their entire worldview and actions. Only way it could be better is if the people at the clinic refused to use his real name.
Benzodiazepines aren’t painkillers. They’re hypnotics used to treat anxiety or insomnia. They wouldn’t help with his tummy troubles, where opioids might (but would be fucking drastic). The only thing they really have in common with opioids is respiratory depression and addiction potential.
While benzos aren't painkillers per se, there is some controversy about whether they can be used to treat back pain due to its muscle relaxant properties. It has traditionally been prescribed to help back pain, albeit far from being a first line drug for this. And when I say controversy, I mean in the sense that its now thought that to "relax" your muscles, you must be on so much that you are already drowsy, ie standard dose prescribed for back pain most probably doesn't help.
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Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
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