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Alexandria Ocasio Cortez endorses basic income.

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This is a big step. She's probably the second most prominent House member in the country, after Pelosi, and the likeliest post-Bernie leader of the progressive/democratic socialist movement. And she's taking a lead here on an issue even Bernie Sanders has generally been silent about. Its not the first time she's spoken about it, but it seems to be getting more attention now.

https://businessinsider.com/coronavirus ... res-2020-3
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive lawmakers are calling for a significantly more robust federal-government response to the coronavirus than has so far been proposed by both Democrats and Republicans.

The House is preparing to vote on Thursday on a coronavirus-relief bill that would provide Americans with paid sick leave, food assistance, free coronavirus testing, and more substantial unemployment benefits.

But Ocasio-Cortez pushed for a more sweeping response, including expanding Medicare or Medicaid to cover all Americans, a freeze on evictions, a universal basic income, ending work requirements for food-assistance programs, criminal-justice reform, and freezing student-debt collection.

"This is not the time for half measures," she tweeted on Thursday. "We need to take dramatic action now to stave off the worst public health & economic affects. That includes making moves on paid leave, debt relief, waiving work req's, guaranteeing healthcare, UBI, detention relief (pretrial, elderly, imm)."

Ocasio-Cortez said the expansion of unemployment benefits wouldn't help the many millions of Americans, including tipped and contracted workers, who are suffering economically as a result of the pandemic but aren't necessarily losing their jobs.

A fight over the coronavirus response
Democrats are attempting to bring Republicans on board with the legislation, but the White House and GOP lawmakers are resisting it.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy called the bill "completely partisan" and "unworkable." Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called the legislation "an ideological wish list that was not tailored closely to the circumstances."

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has remained defiant.

"We cannot slow the coronavirus outbreak when workers are stuck with the terrible choice between staying home to avoid spreading illness and the paycheck their family can't afford to lose," she said in a Wednesday statement.

On Thursday morning, Pelosi told reporters that Congress wouldn't leave Washington without passing legislation to address the pandemic and resulting economic crisis. (Congress is scheduled to go on recess next week).

"We're bringing this bill to the floor," she said.

Meanwhile, the president has proposed a massive fiscal stimulus centered on a temporary Social Security payroll-tax cut that would add about $1 trillion to the national debt — more costly than both the 2008 Wall Street bailout and the 2009 stimulus bill designed to combat the Great Recession.

There is widespread bipartisan skepticism about the cost and effectiveness of Trump's proposal, and it would face an uphill battle in the Democratic-controlled House. Critics say the payroll-tax cut wouldn't be targeted enough and would disproportionately help higher-income Americans.

After calling for unity during an address to the nation on Wednesday night, Trump attacked Pelosi on Thursday morning for refusing to back his plan.

"Nancy Pelosi all of a sudden doesn't like the payroll tax cut, but when Obama proposed it she thought it was a brilliant thing that all of the working families would benefit from because if you get a paycheck, you're going to take home more money," he tweeted, quoting a host of "Fox and Friends."
In fairness I should probably add that Tulsi Gabbard has also endorsed UBI in response to coronavirus, but given her numerous glaring moral failings on other issues, it doesn't really change my opinion of her. Her economic policy record was never what worried me about Tulsi Gabbard- it was her anti-human rights and support for dictatorship record.
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UBI is actually getting a lot of credibility from coronavirus. Don't have a link, unfortunately, but just heard that Japan is now paying parents $80 a day to stay home and take care of their children, and Ireland is giving the entire country paid sick leave.

Even if these measures are temporary, people are going to remember how they benefited from a guaranteed income during a crisis.
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AOC is an all-in SJW identity politics narcissist and would lose the substantial 'left but not woke' portion of Bernie Sander's support base. Of course such fragmentation would be par for the course as far as left wing movements go and arguably social engineering (of extreme identity politics) working as intended. As such it will be unfortunate (for the population in general, fortunate for the Republicans and donor class) if UBI becomes associated with her.
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Really, dude? AOC is a narcissist now?
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loomer wrote: 2020-03-14 04:25am Really, dude? AOC is a narcissist now?
Just bog-standard Right wing character assassination. The bad news for AOC is that its going to be at least eight years before she can run for PotUS, and that's eight years for Republicans to pull a Clinton on her and drag her name relentlessly through the mud until she's electoral poison for most of the country. And they're already hard at work at it.

It might not work, though. Yeah, AOC would probably lose the white working class voters who like Sanders' economics but hate social justice*. But frankly, she'd probably lose some of them anyway for being brown and female, and those people are ultimately a liability to progressives (they're the ones that Centrists can point to to give the "Bernie Bros" narrative a shred of credibility). And Sanders has already likely lost a lot of their support by adopting more liberal opinions on immigration (thus helping to explain his stronger showing in the Southwest this election, while losing midwestern states he won in 2016): https://vox.com/2020/3/7/21166643/berni ... rimary-map

The good news is, I'm not sure we'll need them much longer. If you look at the results from the primary this year, Sanders fucking dominated among the under 45 voters. He dominated the Latino vote too, at least in Nevada and California, and its probably a big part of why Texas was so close. Those are fast-growing demographics in America. Biden is winning on the strength of Boomer turnout, nothing more or less. Millenials and post-millenials tend to hold more favorable views toward social justice, and overwhelmingly backed Sanders and socialism. Give it a couple of election cycles, a few million more elligible young voters and a few million more Boomers dead or in nursing homes, and we won't need white conservatives to win. And on that day, we're going to wake up to a very, very different America. And, short of disenfranchising tens of millions of people, there is nothing that either the Republican Party or the centrist Democrats can do to prevent it forever.

In any case, I'll take AOC's support for UBI. Far from discrediting it, it'll give it a boost. Polarizing support is better than zero support from prominent politicians, which is where UBI was until the last couple of years. At least its a part of the conversation.

Now if only someone could convince Biden to pick Yang for his VP.



*Since Starglider decided to use "SJW" as a smear against AOC, I'm going to repost my all-time favorite quote on the subject:

"The opposite of a social justice warrior is an anti-social injustice coward."
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Mitt Romney calls for giving 1,000 dollars to every American as a response to the pandemic:

https://mediaite.com/news/mitt-romney-c ... -pandemic/
Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) called for “urgent” measures to fight against the coronavirus pandemic on Monday, including an eye-popping proposal: distribute a one-time payment of $1,000 to every American adult.

“Every American adult should immediately receive $1,000 to help ensure families and workers can meet their short-term obligations and increase spending in the economy,” Romney said in a statement Monday morning.

Among @MittRomney’s Coronavirus response proposals: “immediately send $1,000 checks to each American” adult pic.twitter.com/ZvITKmdQfs

— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) March 16, 2020

Some estimated the cost of Romney’s policy proposal at more than $200 billion.

A $200+ billion proposal. The payroll tax holiday being discussed would cost $800 billion. https://t.co/sOUOjPLCGz

— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) March 16, 2020

Harvard professor and former Council of Economic Advisers member under President Obama, Jason Furman, first proposed the idea in an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal, which outlined the implementation of such a plan.

Furman in the piece lays out a plan for a “one-time payment of $1,000 to every adult who is a U.S. citizen or a taxpaying U.S. resident, and $500 to every child who meets the same criteria.”

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Not exactly a full endorsement of UBI, but its worth noting when even a moderate Republican Senator recognizes that providing everyone a guranteed income is beneficial during a crisis.

And if both AOC and Mitt Romney back something, maybe there's something to it?
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver

"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.

I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
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