Canadian provinces join USA

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-04-07 08:41pm

Which provinces and territories would join the US and which would not? Those that don't would be independent or remain in Canada.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-07 08:47pm

All save Quebec.

Canadian liberalism is a good thing and needs to be brought here.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-07 09:21pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:All save Quebec.

Canadian liberalism is a good thing and needs to be brought here.

I think you just advocated for the liberation of Quebec.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-04-07 09:35pm

Liberation? Maybe in the same way as a surgeon would "Liberate" a cancerous tumor from a patient maybe.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-07 11:24pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:All save Quebec.

Canadian liberalism is a good thing and needs to be brought here.

Yes. Canadian liberalism has made Canada the shining success story that it is today.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-07 11:26pm

RedImperator wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:All save Quebec.

Canadian liberalism is a good thing and needs to be brought here.
Yes. Canadian liberalism has made Canada the shining success story that it is today.

Social liberalism, yes. Fiscal liberalism, no (although the medicare system is an unusual case where ours is more liberal yet less expensive; ours costs less than yours per capita even though it has universal coverage while yours only covers welfare and the elderly, because yours is so incredibly bloated with red tape and your health-care professionals are grossly overpaid).

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-04-07 11:33pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:All save Quebec.

Canadian liberalism is a good thing and needs to be brought here.

Yes, the US needs liberals to clean up after Bush.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-07 11:34pm

Some of your social liberalism I like. Your drug policy doesn't seem as insane as ours, for example (de facto legalization in some municipalities). Your fiscal policy is a bad joke, which is what I was referring to.

How'd you guys manage to let Quebec get so out of hand? Quebec strikes me like a person who's parents let him get away with anything while he was growing up, and now he throws a temper tantrum whenever anything happens he doesn't like.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-04-07 11:37pm

Nunavut would stay out so they could become their own republic. Maybe we can convince them to attack Quebec. The Indians are up for it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-07 11:37pm

RedImperator wrote:Some of your social liberalism I like. Your drug policy doesn't seem as insane as ours, for example (de facto legalization in some municipalities). Your fiscal policy is a bad joke, which is what I was referring to.

How'd you guys manage to let Quebec get so out of hand? Quebec strikes me like a person who's parents let him get away with anything while he was growing up, and now he throws a temper tantrum whenever anything happens he doesn't like.

It was all Pierre Trudeau's fault. When he was in power some three decades ago, he had the brilliant idea of appeasing French separatists by making bilingualism official policy for the Federal government, hence all Federal government employees had to speak French. This had the effect of making Quebeckers dominant in the Federal government, hence subordinating the Federal government to Quebec's interests ever since.

By the way, his finance minister at the time massively increased taxes and spending, and his name was ... Jean Chretien.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-07 11:38pm

RedImperator wrote:Some of your social liberalism I like. Your drug policy doesn't seem as insane as ours, for example (de facto legalization in some municipalities). Your fiscal policy is a bad joke, which is what I was referring to.

How'd you guys manage to let Quebec get so out of hand? Quebec strikes me like a person who's parents let him get away with anything while he was growing up, and now he throws a temper tantrum whenever anything happens he doesn't like.

I`m wondering the same thing and je vis aux Quebec aider nous a faire disparaitre le Parti Quebecois et all the cretins supporting its policies.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-07 11:39pm

Is there any truth to the threats of secession I've been hearing about from some of the western provinces who are fed with Quebec's bullshit?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-07 11:39pm

Darth Wong wrote:It was all Pierre Trudeau's fault. When he was in power some three decades ago, he had the brilliant idea of appeasing French separatists by making bilingualism official policy for the Federal government, hence all Federal government employees had to speak French. This had the effect of making Quebeckers dominant in the Federal government, hence subordinating the Federal government to Quebec's interests ever since.

By the way, his finance minister at the time massively increased taxes and spending, and his name was ... Jean Chretien.

Sounds like a giant cock-up. You want us to maybe Hussein the frogs for you guys?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-07 11:44pm

RedImperator wrote:Sounds like a giant cock-up. You want us to maybe Hussein the frogs for you guys?

Yes, please.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-07 11:45pm

Why not just agree to a compromise; let Quebec assume their share of Canada's debt, and let them secede.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-08 12:00am

Darth Wong wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Sounds like a giant cock-up. You want us to maybe Hussein the frogs for you guys?
Yes, please.

I'll pass the word to the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-08 12:01am

Durran Korr wrote:Why not just agree to a compromise; let Quebec assume their share of Canada's debt, and let them secede.

It's more complicated than that; first, they refuse to assume their share of the debt, even though they ran up most of it. Second, they refuse to relinquish the northern territory that was granted to them as a condition of confederation for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that their province is heavily dependent upon hydroelectric power from giant dams in that territory and we would have them by the nutsack if they returned the territory to us. Third, they insist on retaining the use of the Canadian dollar, so they would drag our economy down with them when they discover that a rogue French-speaking state will be quickly economically isolated in what is now an overwhelmingly English-speaking continent.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-08 12:04am

Darth Wong wrote: It's more complicated than that; first, they refuse to assume their share of the debt, even though they ran up most of it. Second, they refuse to relinquish the northern territory that was granted to them as a condition of confederation for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that their province is heavily dependent upon hydroelectric power from giant dams in that territory and we would have them by the nutsack if they returned the territory to us. Third, they insist on retaining the use of the Canadian dollar, so they would drag our economy down with them when they discover that a rogue French-speaking state will be quickly economically isolated in what is now an overwhelmingly English-speaking continent.

OK, just hold a referendum and ask ALL of Canada if they want to
put up with Quebec's bullshit anymore....

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-08 12:04am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Why not just agree to a compromise; let Quebec assume their share of Canada's debt, and let them secede.
It's more complicated than that; first, they refuse to assume their share of the debt, even though they ran up most of it. Second, they refuse to relinquish the northern territory that was granted to them as a condition of confederation for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that their province is heavily dependent upon hydroelectric power from giant dams in that territory and we would have them by the nutsack if they returned the territory to us. Third, they insist on retaining the use of the Canadian dollar, so they would drag our economy down with them when they discover that a rogue French-speaking state will be quickly economically isolated in what is now an overwhelmingly English-speaking continent.

So they want all the perks of being a member of Canada without any of the catches. Gothca.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-08 12:05am

MKSheppard wrote:OK, just hold a referendum and ask ALL of Canada if they want to
put up with Quebec's bullshit anymore....

It might not be that simple. Would the rest of Canada have the right to throw Quebec out?

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-04-08 12:06am

A buddy of mine from Canada said the local Indians were all a-glee at the thought of Quebeqouis independence-- they said their treaty is with the gov't of Canada, not the gov't of Quebec, and they would be able to restart their old war and try to get back some territory...

Hmmm... the headline would read...

"French Fellows Surrender to Huron Tribe-- Quebec forces forced to ground and forced to say 'How'..."

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-08 12:06am

RedImperator wrote: It might not be that simple. Would the rest of Canada have the right to throw Quebec out?

Darth Sidious Voice=ON

I shall make it legal.

Darth Sidious Voice=OFF

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-08 12:12am

If Quebec ever separate,imagine what kind of silly takes they might impose on every cargo ships going through the St Lawrence river,on their way to and out of the great lakes.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-08 12:14am

Montcalm wrote:If Quebec ever separate,imagine what kind of silly takes they might impose on every cargo ships going through the St Lawrence river,on their way to and out of the great lakes.

Unreasonable levies would only make other forms of transport more economically viable, not to mention causing the Americans to invade Quebec and seize control of the waterways in order to prevent economic extortion. This looks better all the time.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-04-08 01:05am

Montcalm wrote:If Quebec ever separate,imagine what kind of silly takes they might impose on every cargo ships going through the St Lawrence river,on their way to and out of the great lakes.

The ports of New York, Newark, Philadelphia, and Baltimore, as well as the CSX railroad, would send their heartfelt thanks.