And they wonder why we bash the French

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-04-11 03:31pm

France changes its mind on war. Yea this is a suprise

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA3GWFJEED.html

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-11 03:39pm

a nation of shameless oppourtunists..... disgraceful

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-04-11 05:09pm

Tell me, what the hell is disgraceful about this?

Basicallty the article just says that French people are starting to doubt if their government did the right thing by keeping its hard stand against the war. Let me quote the text: "We're seeing a subtle shift," Defarges said. "We are starting to hear a more dissonant voice in France. The U.S. victory has made the debate more complex."

Many Americans and British changed their mind on the war as well when the Shock and Awe started with success...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-11 05:10pm

Hmm, I wonder what the 25% who actually supported a fucking Iraqi victory have to say about this.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-11 05:14pm

There is nothing wrong with changing one's mind, as long as you change it in the right direction.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-11 05:15pm

Darth Wong wrote:There is nothing wrong with changing one's mind, as long as you change it in the right direction.

Of course, and the U.S. is the last country in the position to say otherwise.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 05:37pm

There's nothing so popular as victory. If they see the sense in it all then I'm glad they've come around.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-04-11 06:00pm

One thing all the reasonable antiwar people must agree with, is that the war was much less bloody than it was feared. the worst case scenarios in the cities didn't even come close to happen, due to the coalition huge military and strategic superiority.

The price that had to be paid to get rid of Saddam was much smaller than many predicted. That in itself makes many people change their minds about the utility of the war.

No matter all the lovely french bashing, the absolute majority of the french know exactly what Saddam is/was.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-11 06:05pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:One thing all the reasonable antiwar people must agree with, is that the war was much less bloody than it was feared. the worst case scenarios in the cities didn't even come close to happen, due to the coalition huge military and strategic superiority.

The price that had to be paid to get rid of Saddam was much smaller than many predicted. That in itself makes many people change their minds about the utility of the war.

No matter all the lovely french bashing, the absolute majority of the french know exactly what Saddam is/was.

Agreed, but the fact that twenty-five percent of the French public (according to one poll) wished for an Iraqi victory is extremely disconcerting.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-11 06:06pm

Whoopeedoo, they decided to change their opinion on the war.

ANNOYING CROWDS: YEAH! Those sneaky French, we'll bash 'em no matter what they do! Anything they do is offensive to us! GRRR!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-11 06:08pm

Durran Korr wrote:Agreed, but the fact that twenty-five percent of the French public (according to one poll) wished for an Iraqi victory is extremely disconcerting.

OK, so France is 25% composed of assholes and 75% composed of people whose opinion changes with the prevailing wind. Could be worse

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-11 06:10pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Agreed, but the fact that twenty-five percent of the French public (according to one poll) wished for an Iraqi victory is extremely disconcerting.
OK, so France is 25% composed of assholes and 75% composed of people whose opinion changes with the prevailing wind. Could be worse

Could be much worse. They could be in Quebec.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-11 06:11pm

[Caveman mode on]Bashing French good,bashing French-Canadian bad[Caveman mode off]

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-04-11 06:11pm

Okay, so they support us. Now, can we call them "French Fries" again?

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-04-11 06:38pm

Yep its French Toast and French Fries for everyone!!!

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-04-11 07:25pm

Victory has a thousand fathers, while defeat is an orphan.

-Can't remember who.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-04-11 07:37pm

Good for them. Three cheers for France!

Ignorant twit · Post by **Ignorant twit** » 2003-04-11 08:02pm

weemadando wrote:Victory has a thousand fathers, while defeat is an orphan.

-Can't remember who.

Galeazzo Ciano

Fascist Italian foreign minister, was later used by JFK. I don't think it is older than that.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-11 08:34pm

Yes. Dance, Frenchies! Dance!

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-11 10:49pm

Montcalm wrote:[Caveman mode on]Bashing French good,bashing French-Canadian bad[Caveman mode off]

Wonder how long it would take the Canuck Froggie to speak out...

Kidding, MC!

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-04-12 02:31am

the article wrote:No one is cheering the U.S. government, but there's support for the fall of Saddam and the swift manner in which it was accomplished.

I think that is the opinion of a lot of the anti war types.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-04-12 02:39am

Too bad there's all sorts of legal hoobajooba over that sweet delicious Iraqi oil.......

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-04-12 02:42am

The fact that we did it relatively bloodlessly helps. They were convinced that Baghdad would be a Stalingrad and that therest of the country would be a Vietnam (which the FRench themselvs had first-hand experience in).

They did not want to see us take out a wrath of fury like the bombing of Dresden. They were surprised that we were fairly light handed in our attacks, and the Iraqis seem genuinely pleased that Saddam is gone.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-12 07:15am

Nathan F wrote:
Montcalm wrote:[Caveman mode on]Bashing French good,bashing French-Canadian bad[Caveman mode off]
Wonder how long it would take the Canuck Froggie to speak out...

Kidding, MC!

WAH you hurt my feelings

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-12 07:31am

I supose It's easy to back a war when it's over. The French people make me sick now. I'll never forgive them for what they did to the war memorials in France. But as they say Karma comes arround.