Well, looks like we found what were were looking for...Reuters wrote: Pentagon: U.S. Finds Iraqi Mobile Germ Warfare Lab
Wed May 7, 2003 02:55 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces in Iraq have found a trailer used by the toppled government of President Saddam Hussein as a mobile biological weapons laboratory, a Pentagon official said on Wednesday
The announcement was made by Stephen Cambone, undersecretary of defense for intelligence, during a Pentagon briefing. Cambone said no actual germ warfare agents have yet been discovered in the lab but added that the trailer would be disassembled and searched extensively for evidence of weapons.
Cambone said a "mobile production facility" painted in a military color scheme came into the hands of U.S. forces on April 19 at a Kurdish checkpoint near the town of Tall Kayf in northern Iraq. The trailer was found on a heavy-equipment transporter typically used for carrying tanks, he added.
Aboard the trailer was equipment that can be used to make biological weapons -- living microorganisms used deliberately to spread disease -- including a fermenter that could be used for the germ warfare agents, Cambone said.
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It had equipment that could be used to make bio-weapons? No shit, so does my local hospital. All this is is evidence that there was a few bacteria fermenters in a mobile van (which was painted camo colours, of couse, it must be a biowarfare lab, no millitary in the world has that equipment in it's arsenal.)
So now the Iraqi army wasn't allowed to have a bactierology vehicle?:roll:
This is pitiful. Where is this imminiant and massive danger? They "could have, might have possibly, may have, would have been feasible to" produced WMD, but the dearth of hard evidence or it's close friend, incriminating evidence is still glaring.
So now the Iraqi army wasn't allowed to have a bactierology vehicle?:roll:
This is pitiful. Where is this imminiant and massive danger? They "could have, might have possibly, may have, would have been feasible to" produced WMD, but the dearth of hard evidence or it's close friend, incriminating evidence is still glaring.
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I don't know, but I sure found the Strawman.This is pitiful. Where is this imminiant and massive danger?
Look, I'm not a big fan of circumstantial evidence. But we've been finding a helluva lot of it lately... and there's been over a decade for Saddam to really hide his goodies.
Frankly, from the side that's been spouting doomsday prophecies about the war in Iraq dragging on for years, I'd have expected just a tad more patience. A couple months is hardly enough time to scour the entire friggin' country, given the amount of time available to cover up any leads.
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There is NO, I repeat, NO, legitimate reason for ANY bio lab, (or vacine production facility) to be mobile.
This is one of those things, (like a silencer, or sawed off shotgun, or locksmith tools for a non licensed and bonded locksmith) that has a non criminal use.
The mere POSSETION of such things is PROOF of bad/criminal intent.
This is one of those things, (like a silencer, or sawed off shotgun, or locksmith tools for a non licensed and bonded locksmith) that has a non criminal use.
The mere POSSETION of such things is PROOF of bad/criminal intent.
Hmmmmmm.
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Oh right, and Suppressors were invented to make it easier for Mob hitmenEmperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:Danm, I meant "that has NO non criminal use."
to kill their targets?
Hiram Maxim created the first firearm suppressors to make it so that he
could shoot his firearms without disturbing his neighbors - no criminal
intent at all..
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Just like the posesson of tools that can violate copyright means is proof of bad intent? Guess the DCMA was a good idea then (no wait . . . )
Posession of things that CAN cause harm proves nothing.
Posession of things that CAN cause harm proves nothing.
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Edit: DMCA not DCMA. It's the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, for those who are wtill confused.
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Lockpicks have ONE use. picking locks. Copying software, (or machinery) copys legaly and illeagaly. ONLY locksmiths may LEGALY pick lock. Anyone can make legal copies of what they already own. Having one let's you do legal things, having the other, can ONLY be used for unlawful dead.
Sawed off shotguns have NO legit use. PERIOD!
If you can think of one, please tell me.(Shep)
Silencers have NO legal use either.
I know the difference between them and flash supressors, do you?
Hint, Emma, (my rifle in the army, Emma-16) had a flash supressor.
It was not removable, and made NO reduction in the noise she made.
For a man that claims to know so much about guns, this is surprising.
Hint, hollow double walled cylinder, inner tube drilled, hollow part filled with steel wool, makes thing quiter.
Cross drilled holes at end of barrel.
I understand when the words "Gun," and "banned" are used in the same sentance, a reflex kicks in, but calm yourself.
How abou VX gas? Can you think of a legit use for civilians to posess such a thing?(Other than selling it to a military)
How about nuclear weaponry? Any legit uses for these?
There are some things, like child porn, that NO good can come from, and HAVING them PROVES bad intent.
More to the point, what LEGITAMIT reason can you come up with for a mobile bio lab/production facility?
Please tell me, as I am dying to know.
Sawed off shotguns have NO legit use. PERIOD!
If you can think of one, please tell me.(Shep)
Silencers have NO legal use either.
I know the difference between them and flash supressors, do you?
Hint, Emma, (my rifle in the army, Emma-16) had a flash supressor.
It was not removable, and made NO reduction in the noise she made.
For a man that claims to know so much about guns, this is surprising.
Hint, hollow double walled cylinder, inner tube drilled, hollow part filled with steel wool, makes thing quiter.
Cross drilled holes at end of barrel.
I understand when the words "Gun," and "banned" are used in the same sentance, a reflex kicks in, but calm yourself.
How abou VX gas? Can you think of a legit use for civilians to posess such a thing?(Other than selling it to a military)
How about nuclear weaponry? Any legit uses for these?
There are some things, like child porn, that NO good can come from, and HAVING them PROVES bad intent.
More to the point, what LEGITAMIT reason can you come up with for a mobile bio lab/production facility?
Please tell me, as I am dying to know.
Hmmmmmm.
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If your neighbors can hear you, you are most likely too close to them to be legaly shooting. More to the point, like picking tools, some people have them legaly.
Hmmmmmm.
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So why doesn't the trailer say "Hazmat team" on the side in arabic?
With the biohazzard warning logo prominently displayed.
You are jumping through hoops on this one.
With the biohazzard warning logo prominently displayed.
You are jumping through hoops on this one.
Hmmmmmm.
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I can hear my neighbors shooting. And the most likely can hear me.Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:If your neighbors can hear you, you are most likely too close to them to be legaly shooting. More to the point, like picking tools, some people have them legaly.
You don't seem to realize how far a gunshot can carry. Litterally miles.
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I know how far gunshot sounds and rounds can travel, and to be "disturbingly" loud, you have to be well within shooting range.
Did you miss the part about militay service in my posts?
Did you miss the part about militay service in my posts?
Hmmmmmm.
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Errr,not every military displays those words prominently.Or display them at all.Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:So why doesn't the trailer say "Hazmat team" on the side in arabic?
With the biohazzard warning logo prominently displayed.
You are jumping through hoops on this one.
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And indeed, even many of the official ones carry those symbols prominently. Its the whole thing of not having public hysteria if they see one driving past their home.PainRack wrote:Errr,not every military displays those words prominently.Or display them at all.Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:So why doesn't the trailer say "Hazmat team" on the side in arabic?
With the biohazzard warning logo prominently displayed.
You are jumping through hoops on this one.
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Military, did you say military?
If you can't tell the difference between the CDC, WHO, (their Islamic counter parts as well) and the army of (fill in the blanc) you are missing the big picture.
I will have to concede to the Weeman that the two orgs metioned above use mobile labs, but they do not CONCEIL the nature of such labs. Hell, they TRUMPET the nature of such labs, to prevent traffic accidends, and give emergency responce teams the heads up.
You have however, proved my point!
The Iraqi military is forbidden from having such thing!
Possetion is PROOF of bad intent, as far as GWB, and I are concerned.
If it is hidden, it is forbidden!((Jesse Jackson mode)
If you can't tell the difference between the CDC, WHO, (their Islamic counter parts as well) and the army of (fill in the blanc) you are missing the big picture.
I will have to concede to the Weeman that the two orgs metioned above use mobile labs, but they do not CONCEIL the nature of such labs. Hell, they TRUMPET the nature of such labs, to prevent traffic accidends, and give emergency responce teams the heads up.
You have however, proved my point!
The Iraqi military is forbidden from having such thing!
Possetion is PROOF of bad intent, as far as GWB, and I are concerned.
If it is hidden, it is forbidden!((Jesse Jackson mode)
Hmmmmmm.
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Not more of this crap.
News flash, messrs "we've found a smoking gun!"
The claim of findihg 'mobile weapons labs' have been made before, back in April. They proved false too.
If there's nothing in the damn truck, you can't claim evidence, for pretty obvious reaons
As a side note, the reasons all these reports are false is because the detecting equipment used by the troops is uber-sensitive, to err on the side of caution. So you have shit like rocket fuel testing positive for chemical weapons, for example.
News flash, messrs "we've found a smoking gun!"
The claim of findihg 'mobile weapons labs' have been made before, back in April. They proved false too.
If there's nothing in the damn truck, you can't claim evidence, for pretty obvious reaons
As a side note, the reasons all these reports are false is because the detecting equipment used by the troops is uber-sensitive, to err on the side of caution. So you have shit like rocket fuel testing positive for chemical weapons, for example.
It's not a strawman in the slightest. Bush got up and accused Iraq of having thousands upon thousands of litres of this stuff capable of "killing millions". Read his speeches.don't know, but I sure found the Strawman
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Give it time. We’re talking about a desert nation the size of California that’s had eight years during which to hide any illegitimate equipment.
It took American satellites two years before they managed to locate boreholes and testing facilities for South Africa’s nuclear program in the Kalahari Desert. Observers on-site failed to find any hint of circumvention in North Korea until Kim Jong-Il’s news service announced that it had developed nuclear weapons.
We’ve had what, two months, punctuated by frequent firefights and constant civil unrest?
It took American satellites two years before they managed to locate boreholes and testing facilities for South Africa’s nuclear program in the Kalahari Desert. Observers on-site failed to find any hint of circumvention in North Korea until Kim Jong-Il’s news service announced that it had developed nuclear weapons.
We’ve had what, two months, punctuated by frequent firefights and constant civil unrest?
It's not just illegitmate equipment. It's also the facilities required to produce both the weapons (i.e. weaponize the material) and the delivery systems for them- if any.Axis Kast wrote:Give it time. We’re talking about a desert nation the size of California that’s had eight years during which to hide any illegitimate equipment.
The facts, as laid out in the May 3rd-9th issue of the Economist:It took American satellites two years before they managed to locate boreholes and testing facilities for South Africa’s nuclear program in the Kalahari Desert.
Observers on-site failed to find any hint of circumvention in North Korea until Kim Jong-Il’s news service announced that it had developed nuclear weapons.
- Before 1994, the CIA suspected that NK had material with which to make two nuclear bombs.
- When this latest crisis started in October 2002, America had surprised North Korea with the evidence that it was secretly started up a second weapons program, and North Korea surprised everyone by owning up to it.
Most importantly:
- The 'observers' were not on-site in the way that you mean- they had nothing to do with verifiying whether NK had nuclear weapons. Their only job was watching over a stash of spent fuel-rods at North Korea's single working nuclear reactor at Yongbyon. Only after it kicked out the IAEA observers did it restart the mothballed reactors, removed the seals on the stored fuel rods, and is either about to start or about to finish (depending on which translation of its recent statement on the subject you choose to believe) extracting their bomb-useable plutonium, sufficient for another five or six bombs.
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