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Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-14 12:38pm

As many of you know, the Canadian Parliment is taking up debate this week over the possible legalisation of marijuana. whats your take? i say sure! legalize here in the states too! iand tax the shit out of it!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-05-14 01:45pm

I say legalize it, and tax until it costs a little less than street prices. The government would turn a multi-billion-dollar expenditure into a multu-billion dollar money-maker, prison space is freed up, and illegal dealers are put out of business. Prohibition didn't stop alcohol consumption, I don't see how this War on Drugs is any different.

The only problem is that America has a significant group of people who would oppose legalizing it, and tehy'd have a field day with it's legalization.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-14 02:37pm

This could make my trip to Toronto this summer much more interesting.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-05-14 03:26pm

Something is dumb with the legalisation,its ok to have 15 grams of marijuana on you for personal use but its illegal to sell it,how can you get it if others can`t sell it.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-14 04:38pm

See I honestly see no legitimate reason to not have it be legal.

Lets review

Health risks: minimal, less then caffine for sure

Addictive qualities: not physically addictive, somewhere between chocolate and anchovies as to mental addictive potential

Cost to society: none, there is no brain damage that has been found by repeated studies, beyond a few who's credability is seriously in question, basically they were done by the NIDA in the 70s and forced monkies to inhale more smoke then someone who smokes once a day every day of their adult lives would come near smoking, in the course of a few months, and the damnage found is almost the same as that which is caused by the obvious oxygen deprivation that they suffered as a result of constantly inhaling smoke and smoke alone.

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-05-14 04:40pm

Well, to reveal the political tactic to those who aren't going to go out and tell the whole world, you can't completely legalize it without running into even more opposition than we have now. This is why one goes for the decriminalization effort first, as was tried in Arizona, and then move upwards in steps.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-14 07:08pm

Locked pending review by other mods, I am not sure if this qualifies under our "No drugs, No Warez, and other Illegal Actions discussions)?

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-05-14 07:14pm

I think this thread is safe.

J · Post by J » 2003-05-14 10:04pm

Montcalm wrote:Something is dumb with the legalisation,its ok to have 15 grams of marijuana on you for personal use but its illegal to sell it,how can you get it if others can`t sell it.

You grow it of course, marijuana farming is a cottage industry in the literal sense in some parts of Canada, and indoor hydroponics growing is quite common in urbanized areas. Of course people aren't just growing for themselves, many are selling it which is quite illegal, but yeah, that's a slight loophole in the laws. I suppose one could barter the weed for other goods, and I know that this happens a lot, but still...

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-05-14 10:51pm

One of my prime reasons for wanting it to be legalized is simply the fact that the final product can be regulated. When buying from the streets, there is always that possibility that the stuff you're buying can be cut with other things. Provided that the government does a good job reglating it, this would make it a bit safer.

I do think, though, that if it is legalized, laws similar to drunk driving laws should be instituted.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-05-14 10:55pm

Saurencaerthai wrote:One of my prime reasons for wanting it to be legalized is simply the fact that the final product can be regulated. When buying from the streets, there is always that possibility that the stuff you're buying can be cut with other things. Provided that the government does a good job regulating it, this would make it a bit safer.

I do think, though, that if it is legalized, laws similar to drunk driving laws should be instituted.

This way when you buy marijuana you`ll be saying proudly that shit has no shit in it.

Drewcifer · Post by **Drewcifer** » 2003-05-15 12:16am

A few other things: hemp fiber is in many ways superior to cotton and makes great rope and durable clothing. (and the kind that makes good rope is worthless as a drug)

The US govt used to encourage the growth of hemp.

(Sorry for the quality, the best I could find)

and IIRC, the only plant that is higher in protein is soy.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-15 03:33am

i personally enjoy states such as Kansas employing the "Drug Tax" where drug dealers must purchase stamps in order to sell their drugs. This does not legalize their stuff but if they are caught and the stamps arent affixed to the merchandise then they are given the additional charge of tax evasion.

other states have done this but most people buy them for personal collections, not sure who is still using the system and who has discontinued it.

As for the question of 15g being leal in Canada but not sale, it probably stems from the dealers not payng taxes and that its the dealers who are committing the real crimes and not the people who have it for personal use.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-05-15 04:16am

Drewcifer wrote:The US govt used to encourage the growth of hemp.

Well, of course, that was before everyone and their dog started smoking it in the 1960s...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-05-15 04:46am

Well if God created hemp why not smoke it?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-15 05:37am

Because the kind that makes good rope/clothing/newspaper has very little THC.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-05-15 05:52am

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of anchovi addiction...

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-15 05:49pm

Hemp has over 50,000 industrial uses, from safe non-toxic paint, to more ecologically AND economically sound plus higher quality at a lower price paper than wood, to better and more comfortable clothing than can be done with cotton, hemp growing was the first billion dollar agricultural industry in the US in the early 1930s (before the Marijuana Tax act of 1938 which effectively made weed and hemp illegal, and happened due to a brilliant propoganda campaign by william randolf hearst who owned more pine forest (the kind that is used pretty much only for paper) than anyone else in the US and stood to loose millions due to competition from hemp)

Yosemite: it is more a different part of the plant, basically you can use it for intoxication AND all the industrial uses, the industrial uses come from either the seeds and their oil (btw the protien in cannabis is one of if not the healthiest and most easily digested ones known to man, cannabis seed protein is perscribed to annorexic people due to its execelent nutritional value) OR from the outer covering of the stem. The flowering and growing tops (the most commonly used parts for intoxication, flowering top being known in slang as the "bud" while the growing top is the extremely light green area of leaf growth that surrounds and is immediately next to the flowering top, these light green growing top leafs have the highest concentration of cannaboids (including delta 9 THC) of any part of the plant) other than in their production of seeds have very few if any industrial applications.

On the industrial applications:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/h ... nfo1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... ngs2.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... fo12.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/h ... nal2.shtml

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-05-15 06:12pm

Crayz9000 wrote:Well, of course, that was before everyone and their dog started smoking it in the 1960s...

Carrie Nation proposed smoking pot as an alternative to booze.

Hash bars in New York numbered in the hundreds during the 20s.

A 19th century report on the effects of hash use on British soldiers in India found no ill effects.

Has anyone ever read The Emperor Wears No Clothes?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-05-15 06:24pm

I never said that people didn't smoke it. Hell, it's been smoked for over a thousand years. What I meant was that it really came into widespread public use as a drug back in the 60s...

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-05-15 06:34pm

Also enthanol can be made out of the stalks and that ethanol can be used as a cleaner cheaper source of fuel for cars and power. It easier to harvest a field 4 times a year, than to drilll in the ground.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-15 10:18pm

Crayz9000 wrote:
Drewcifer wrote:The US govt used to encourage the growth of hemp.
Well, of course, that was before everyone and their dog started smoking it in the 1960s...

Umm...you do realize that the SEARS catalogue sold hash candy, that it was widley used for intoxication in the 20s in the US, and that the encouraged growth of hemp was AFTER it was made illegal and there was a special temporary removal of the Marijuana tax act of 1938 for WW2, when the US government published a film titled "Hemp for Victory" where they encouraged any farmer they could to grow as much cannabis as possible, since the cloth made the cords used in parachutes (to connect the chute to the person), Hempseed oil was the primary lubricant for aircraft engines of WW2 as well.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-05-15 10:33pm

NapoleonGH wrote: Umm...you do realize that the SEARS catalogue sold hash candy, that it was widley used for intoxication in the 20s in the US, and that the encouraged growth of hemp was AFTER it was made illegal and there was a special temporary removal of the Marijuana tax act of 1938 for WW2, when the US government published a film titled "Hemp for Victory" where they encouraged any farmer they could to grow as much cannabis as possible, since the cloth made the cords used in parachutes (to connect the chute to the person), Hempseed oil was the primary lubricant for aircraft engines of WW2 as well.

There's still a lot of wild hemp growing all over the place in the midwest because they grew so much of it for WWII.

Hemp rope was also very important for the Navy. The line for docking the ships was made from hemp. More recently they switched to kevlar which about halves the diameter of the line.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-15 10:46pm

did i forget to mention that hemp is the strongest natural fiber?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-16 06:54am

don't get me wrong, i support legalization, but napolean don't give me that bullshit about hemp clothing. anyone who says it's comfortable is either retarded or lying. it's itchy, it doesn't breathe so you sweat your balls (or tits, whatever the case may be) off, it warps out of shape. hemp clothing is AWFUL!

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