Isreal in the EU?

Medicus · Post by **Medicus** » 2003-05-23 04:03pm

UPI link

According to this article the Israli foreign minister has indicated to a EU delegation that Isreal is interested in joining the EU.

Some significant roadblocks would exist for Isreal, including settling all border disputes with neighboring countries (a requirement for new entries to the EU).

This is interesting, does this, combined with Sharon's agreement to follow the "roadmap to peace", which would create a Palastinian state within 3 years, indicate a major shift in how Isreal desires to be viewed internationally?

Would Isreal joining the EU help stabilize the middle east region, or create even more of an anti-western sentement?

Yahoo link

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-05-23 04:10pm

I think Israel is ready to play ball with the peace plan. The people there are sick and tired of war and getting beefed in the ass by terrorists.

Israelis feel like calling the bluff of the Palestinians-- if the Pals agree to peace and get their state, then all will be well. But if the Pals refuse to make peace, even when the Israelis agree to everything, then the Palestinians will be revealed as liars who only want to destroy Israel and use 'peace' as a tool for sympathy.

I warily approve of the new Prime Minister for Palestinians, Abu Mazen. I hope he takes the deal-- and I hope the deak is a good one, and sincere for both sides. If so, both Israel and Palestine may apply for EU membership.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-05-23 04:16pm

Sharon the fucking rasist needs to step down.

And he can take the fucknut Arafat with him.

Oh and there is a ban on Palestinian/Israel topics here

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2003-05-23 04:25pm

Wouldn't the fact that Israel isn't even partially in Europe be a bit of a stumbling block towards it joining the EU?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-23 04:29pm

Faram wrote:Sharon the fucking rasist needs to step down.

And he can take the fucknut Arafat with him.

Oh and there is a ban on Palestinian/Israel topics here

Which this isn't

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 04:37pm

Lord Sander wrote:Wouldn't the fact that Israel isn't even partially in Europe be a bit of a stumbling block towards it joining the EU?

It doesn't stop them taking part in the European games, The European cup, various European club football cups and the Eurovision song contest so no I doubt it would prove to be much of a problem,though waving in anyone who is of the Jewish faith would probably conflict with EU immigration procedure I would have thought .

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 04:53pm

All the possible projection maps for the 2025 E.U include Israel as state member. The idea has been around for a long time. It won't happen before achieving complete peace and normal relations with an independant palestinian state.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-05-23 04:59pm

TheDarkling wrote:It doesn't stop them taking part in the European games, The European cup, various European club football cups and the Eurovision song contest so no I doubt it would prove to be much of a problem,though waving in anyone who is of the Jewish faith would probably conflict with EU immigration procedure I would have thought .

Eurovision song contest has nothing to do with Europe.

It’s a broadcast membership club, AFIK there is some African counties in it also but there is a fee for attending the song contest.

It’s sort of like the World Series named after a newspaper?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 05:33pm

Faram wrote:
Eurovision song contest has nothing to do with Europe.

It’s a broadcast membership club, AFIK there is some African counties in it also but there is a fee for attending the song contest.

It’s sort of like the World Series named after a newspaper?

Nothing to do with Europe???

Take a look at the list of participants http://www.esctoday.com/2003/participants.php it is 25 european countries plus Israel so my point about Israels inclusion within European events stands.

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2003-05-23 05:42pm

TheDarkling wrote:Nothing to do with Europe???

Take a look at the list of participants http://www.esctoday.com/2003/participants.php it is 25 european countries plus Israel so my point about Israels inclusion within European events stands.

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Anyway, yeah, that's bizarre. Israel shouldn't have anything to do with Europe, in any case.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 05:57pm

Lord Sander wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Nothing to do with Europe???

Take a look at the list of participants http://www.esctoday.com/2003/participants.php it is 25 european countries plus Israel so my point about Israels inclusion within European events stands.
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Anyway, yeah, that's bizarre. Israel shouldn't have anything to do with Europe, in any case.

Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2003-05-23 05:59pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again

Nope, can't say I have. Got links?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 06:11pm

Lord Sander wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again
Nope, can't say I have. Got links?

Sorry, I don't. I was thinking of maps I saw in newspapers a short time ago, on the ocasion of the joining of the new E.U members. Half of the newspaper was dedicated to the future of the E.U.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-05-23 06:13pm

What's next? Is America going to join the EU?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 06:13pm

Andrew J. wrote:What's next? Is America going to join the EU?

You'll have to abolish the death penalty first.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-05-23 06:31pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Faram wrote:
Eurovision song contest has nothing to do with Europe.

It’s a broadcast membership club, AFIK there is some African counties in it also but there is a fee for attending the song contest.

It’s sort of like the World Series named after a newspaper?
Nothing to do with Europe???

Take a look at the list of participants http://www.esctoday.com/2003/participants.php it is 25 european countries plus Israel so my point about Israels inclusion within European events stands.

*ahem!*
Plus several other European countries that didn't make to the competion this year because they performed so poorly last year in Tallinn...

Every country that participates the Eurovision song contest is listed on this map: http://www.esctoday.com/history/pick.php

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If Israel undergoes a major change in the next two decades, I'd have no problems with their EU membership, although this is a major "if".

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 06:33pm

The problem with EU expansion is that once we have all of Europe (excluding Russia and possibly Belarus) in about 15 -20 years we really have no where else to expand to, the middle east is a pit of fundie behaviour (also why the US isn't wanted as a member

) and the north of Africa has this to a lesser degree not to mention being economic disasters but then again they aren't that far behind Turkey in both areas and we are letting them in (maybe... possibly.... could do).

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-05-23 06:34pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:What's next? Is America going to join the EU?
You'll have to abolish the death penalty first.

Bah. Screw that.

And you're gonna have to change the name if you're taking in countries on the African continent, pal.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-05-23 06:36pm

I wouldn't want Israel to join the EU.
They have a whole lot of issues to settle first. And given the current EU's pro-palestine stance, this will have to include a satisfactory end to that conflict for both sides.

I'd guess Turkey would get in ways before Israel...

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 06:38pm

RogueIce wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:What's next? Is America going to join the EU?
You'll have to abolish the death penalty first.
Bah. Screw that.

And you're gonna have to change the name if you're taking in countries on the African continent, pal.

Already taken care of. We'll be calling it "Galactic Empire".

Check thisthread for details

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-23 06:48pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Already taken care of. We'll be calling it "Galactic Empire".

Check thisthread for details

Well you've got the under militarized aspect right.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-23 07:38pm

Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again

Of course, the United States could singlehandedly defeat the lot of you while retaining its soveriengty in the bargain, so I'm not very impressed.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 07:50pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again
Of course, the United States could singlehandedly defeat the lot of you while retaining its soveriengty in the bargain, so I'm not very impressed.

Yeah the US could beat us individually however by the end of it the US would be taking orders from Burma, having a few 100 nukes chucked at you will do that to a countries relative power (of course that is just the UK and France), the EU combined - come off it not even the US is that powerful (without a nuclear exchange in which case see previous).

As for the sovereignty issue, I'm sure Hawaii regrets joining the US, instead of going its lonesome and enjoying its "freedom".

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2003-05-23 07:58pm

Great, another US/EU pissing contest

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-23 08:05pm

Someone sounds a little bitter.