Anarchism

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-06 08:06pm

http://www.anti-state.com/

Your thoughts?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-06 08:10pm

This is actually the site I found SD.Net through, believe it or not.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-06-06 08:12pm

HemlockGrey wrote:http://www.anti-state.com/

Your thoughts?

I find their porn of very good quality. I'll comment the rest after I finish my analysis of it.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-06 08:44pm

...how?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-06-06 08:49pm

HemlockGrey wrote:...how?

What can I say? It's a gift, I can sense porn.

here is the forum in question. Don't click on the "warning, porn" thread unless you're above 18, etecetera, etecetera.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-06 08:51pm

No, I was talking to Durran.

But, of course, being a minor, I won't click that link. Of course not. Never in a million years.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-06 09:10pm

HemlockGrey wrote:No, I was talking to Durran.

But, of course, being a minor, I won't click that link. Of course not. Never in a million years.

-click-

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-06 09:15pm

HemlockGrey wrote:No, I was talking to Durran.

But, of course, being a minor, I won't click that link. Of course not. Never in a million years.

Course not, your going to double click for dual window browsing...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-06 09:41pm

HemlockGrey wrote:No, I was talking to Durran.

But, of course, being a minor, I won't click that link. Of course not. Never in a million years.

Or at least how many years it takes for you to turn 18.

BTW: I found SD.net through starwars.com forums.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-06 09:45pm

I found sdnet from hemlock. dunno where he found it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-06 10:53pm

HemlockGrey wrote:...how?

Well, I used to be way off on the lunatic fringe of libertarianism (as some of my earlier posts here may show), and lurked a good bit in the forum. In an Episode II discussion thread, someone linked to Mike's AoTC analysis, I followed it, and that's how I ended up here.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-06 10:56pm

There's nothing terribly dangerous about the site, in my opinion, don't worry about viewing it. Some of the content is going to be pretty inflammatory but the anarcho-capitalists that populate this site are quite a different breed from the usual leftist anarchist types. The site was actually banned from an offshore U.S. military based, filed under "Militant/Extremist."

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-07 07:40pm

i hate anarchists so much.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-08 03:33am

On anarchism:

I suppose that some degree of central control and organization is required to make a society work. The state, or whatever you call it, can be barely influental, but it still needs to be there - even if it's run in unorthodox ways. Everytime a true anarchy has existed in history, it quickly went Mad Max.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-06-08 07:44am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Everytime a true anarchy has existed in history, it quickly went Mad Max.

hey, it works quite well in [url=http://www.christiania.org]christiania[/ulr]

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-06-08 07:46am

christiania

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-08 01:11pm

Everytime a true anarchy has existed in history, it quickly went Mad Max.

Thats why I hate anarchists. They think that getting rid of the government will solve things, when in fact its only setting up a situation for organised crime and rogue military to take over. Anarchism isnt a solution to oppressive government, its a way to return to the days when kings dominated the world through fear and tyranny.

Anarchists are like communists -- they dont think their theories through, and defend them with a passion.

I have nothing against government, but plenty against this form of government, and I will speak out against it any chance I get, but total abolition of all forms of government only leads to a form of chaos where noone is safe nor free.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-06-08 01:52pm

Anarchy is a philosophy, not a form of government. It depends on regression, not progress. A moving back of people and times into the distant past before the nation-state. Nevermind that we could say goodbye to infrastructure and funcitioning society as well ...

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-09 02:52am

salm wrote:christiania

That's a small community. When a whole nation becomes an anarchy, it doesn't work too well.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-06-09 07:21am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:On anarchism:

I suppose that some degree of central control and organization is required to make a society work. The state, or whatever you call it, can be barely influental, but it still needs to be there - even if it's run in unorthodox ways. Everytime a true anarchy has existed in history, it quickly went Mad Max.

The rule of law and regulations is one of the things that seperates man from animals. Anarchism is evil. Just consider the number of time anarchy existed in the world.

We have seen what happedned in Iraq after the coalition victory. That was all because of anarchy. Everytime law and order failed it caused suffering for humanity.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-09 09:43am

Whenever a teenager envisions anarchy, he pictures himself as the king of the savage hill. That is why teenagers are often enamoured of anarchism; they don't realize that in all likelihood, they will find themselves at the bottom of that hill, or perhaps buried by it.

The other kind of anarchist is the hopelessly naive person who thinks that everyones' kind and gentle nature will create a utopia on Earth if laws don't get in the way. Words fail me to describe how silly that is.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-06-09 10:23am

Whenever a teenager envisions anarchy, he pictures himself as the king of the savage hill. That is why teenagers are often enamoured of anarchism; they don't realize that in all likelihood, they will find themselves at the bottom of that hill, or perhaps buried by it.

One could not have said it better. Anarchists fail to realize that the same anarchy that they claim would bring benifit to humanity could also be its undoing. They simply ignore the fact that they themselves could be the victims of anarchy.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-06-09 12:18pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
salm wrote:christiania
That's a small community. When a whole nation becomes an anarchy, it doesn't work too well.

yup, i believe you´re right.

small communities are cool!

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-09 01:26pm

I would claim that it is NOT working, in that small comunity.

They don't generate their owm power. They pipe in water under pressure I bet. They have no heavey inDustries.
When crime happens, they depend on police from outside to provide law and order.
Their very exsistance is predicated on a benevolent outside world, that works on law and order. They are not 100% self sufficience, meaning they trade with the outside world. Can you say, modern drugs, automobiles, and electricity?
What prevents the outside world from not honoring contracts, invading, stealing, and killing these morons? The very system they say is bad.

No, they are reaping the benifits of law and order, without the costs.
Fools who don't get that their little pampered enclave from sanity exsists only at the sufferance, and subsidy of the big bad REAL mean dog eat dog world.
It is a measure of how rich we, in the west are that these weinies don't starve.
It is a measure of how peaceful the state around them is, that it doesn't simplye swollow them whole.
If they ever got their way, they would be the first to fall before the outlaw biker gangs, or "new order" millitia.(the people that don't like anarchy, and don't mind killing to restore it.)

Barbarians or the next generation of "archists" restarting government will give them the ugly truth of their foolish wish, should they ever get it.

They just might, get exactly what they want, for a time.
Natural disasters tend to promote temporary anarchy, which is the other reason they call out the national guard during disasters. (The first being to help with emergency services, and general rebuild)

Too bad they will never get to the "Mad Max" level, just for a while. It would serve them right.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-06-09 01:50pm

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:I would claim that it is NOT working, in that small comunity.

They don't generate their owm power. They pipe in water under pressure I bet. They have no heavey inDustries.
When crime happens, they depend on police from outside to provide law and order.
Their very exsistance is predicated on a benevolent outside world, that works on law and order. They are not 100% self sufficience, meaning they trade with the outside world. Can you say, modern drugs, automobiles, and electricity?

you don´t have to be self sufficient to have a working system. i can´t think of a single nation that´s completely selfsufficient.

What prevents the outside world from not honoring contracts, invading, stealing, and killing these morons? The very system they say is bad.

that still doesnt keep it from working

No, they are reaping the benifits of law and order, without the costs.
Fools who don't get that their little pampered enclave from sanity exsists only at the sufferance, and subsidy of the big bad REAL mean dog eat dog world.
It is a measure of how rich we, in the west are that these weinies don't starve.

as long as they get their imports by paying for them that´s completely ok. i must admit that i don´t know if they pay for everything or if they´re strongly subsidized by other nations.

It is a measure of how peaceful the state around them is, that it doesn't simplye swollow them whole.

where´s the problem?

If they ever got their way, they would be the first to fall before the outlaw biker gangs, or "new order" millitia.(the people that don't like anarchy, and don't mind killing to restore it.)

Barbarians or the next generation of "archists" restarting government will give them the ugly truth of their foolish wish, should they ever get it.

They just might, get exactly what they want, for a time.
Natural disasters tend to promote temporary anarchy, which is the other reason they call out the national guard during disasters. (The first being to help with emergency services, and general rebuild)

Too bad they will never get to the "Mad Max" level, just for a while. It would serve them right.

they´ve had their way for 30 years. that´s longer than any, for example, american president can have his way.

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