Minnesota School Shooting

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-09-24 02:30pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98202,00.html

COLD SPRING, Minn. ? At least one person was shot Wednesday at Rocori High School (search) in central Minnesota, the Stearns County Sheriff's Office confirmed.

The victim was taken to St. Cloud hospital, said Deputy Rick Hondl.

Mike Austreng, the editor of the Cold Spring Record (search), said he saw one student airlifted from the school and another taken away by ambulance. He said it appeared no other airlifts were planned because authorities had removed landing markers.

"We can see groups of students being taken out of the building," Austreng said from the scene. "Most of them are running with their hands up in the air, or walking with their hands up in the air. They're being ushered away toward the elementary school."

Several news organizers were reporting that two students were shot during gym class (search) by a third student. The shooter was reportedly taken into custody. None of those facts were immediately confirmed by official sources.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-09-24 02:48pm

*hoping the students pull through*

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-24 02:53pm

Not another case of gun crazy lunatic,WTF is going on in the schools.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-09-24 03:06pm

***SIGH***
Only in america. BEHOLD, americans! The future leaders of your country!
I weep for the future.

(I am american, and I still weep)

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 03:14pm

I sort of find it funny these things start happening with regularity when gun
control shit is up (the 1994 AWB is about to expire next year)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-24 03:33pm

Chardok wrote:***SIGH***
Only in america. BEHOLD, americans! The future leaders of your country!
I weep for the future.

America, Japan, German, and Mexico you mean.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-24 03:35pm

Chardok wrote:***SIGH***
Only in america. BEHOLD, americans! The future leaders of your country!
I weep for the future.

School shootings and other similar violence isn't unknown in the rest of the world.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-09-24 03:53pm

Whee. I feel so safe in my home town/state.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-09-24 03:53pm

Chardok wrote:***SIGH***
Only in america. BEHOLD, americans! The future leaders of your country!
I weep for the future.

(I am american, and I still weep)

um.... actually it is not found "only in America"

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-09-24 03:55pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Chardok wrote:***SIGH***
Only in america. BEHOLD, americans! The future leaders of your country!
I weep for the future.
School shootings and other similar violence isn't unknown in the rest of the world.

Quite a few in Europe over the past decade, actually. It's just more easily criticized in American culture because of how much larger the US is than any individual EU nation. Just going from 1996, there have been in Europe:

Dunblane, March 1996: 18 killed by gunfire
Meissen, November 1999: 1 killed by knife after student accepted bet to kill teacher
Branneburg, March 2000: 1 or 2 killed (not sure if gunman died)
Freising, March 2002: 3 killed by gunfire, 1 by pipe bomb by expelled student
Erfurt, April 2002: 17 killed by gunfire
Total European death toll: 41 or 42 (average 6 per year)

That's compared to 37 deaths that I know of in the US during the same time period (there are probably more I don't know about). However, on a per capita basis, the school schooting rate (even after subtracting the one knife death in Meissen) is roughly the same between Europe and the USA.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-24 03:57pm

Erfurt, April 2002: 17 killed by gunfire

That is much higher then I remember, sure it wasn't 17 killed and wounded?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-09-24 04:03pm

QUIET me tooers!

I realize it's not ONLY in america, but it certainly seems more prevalent here. and I lovehow they try to justify it...."My mommy didn't love me enough! My daddy didn't hug me enough!"
I refer those people to Denis Leary "No cure for Cancer"
Go see Dr. SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-09-24 04:07pm

EDIT____________--
I guess I should have said in the U.S. it gets More PUBLICITY, due to the fact we in the united states tend to be quite myopic in our view of the world at large. Especially our media. Our media makes it seem as if the U.S. is the first to experience ANYthing...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-24 04:11pm

Chardok wrote:QUIET me tooers!

There's been none of that in this thread moron, I suggest you shut up and don't try to tell people with two to thirty five times as many posts what is unacceptable.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-09-24 04:11pm

Chardok: Wrote:

refer those people to Denis Leary "No cure for Cancer"
Go see Dr. SHUT THE FUCK UP

and Therapy consists of Mowing the Lawn and Crying....

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-09-24 04:13pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Erfurt, April 2002: 17 killed by gunfire
That is much higher then I remember, sure it wasn't 17 killed and wounded?

BBC says 17 killed at History of School Shootings. I should've linked first post.

Erfurt and Dunblane both were essentially the same scale as Columbine.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-24 04:20pm

The Dark wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Erfurt, April 2002: 17 killed by gunfire
That is much higher then I remember, sure it wasn't 17 killed and wounded?
BBC says 17 killed at [url=http://news.bbc.%20co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1953425.stm]History of School Shootings[/url]. I should've linked first post.

Erfurt and Dunblane both were essentially the same scale as Columbine.

Well the BBC link is kinda incomplete unless what happened before the 1990s does`nt count for them....December 1989 Marc Lepine kills 14 girls at the University of Montreal`s Polytechnique.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-09-24 04:26pm

Everybody hold hands and erase the hate

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-24 04:29pm

I'm sorry if I seem apathetic, but it seems like these things only get reported if it happens in some town in the boonies. School related violence does happen, it's just that no one seems to care unless it happens in some sleepy hamlet in the midwest.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-09-24 04:38pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Chardok wrote:QUIET me tooers!
There's been none of that in this thread moron, I suggest you shut up and don't try to tell people with two to thirty five times as many posts what is unacceptable.

Since we are resorting to name calling, Jerk, I will refer you to Death from the sea's post. If that wasn't me tooing after the two posts before it...then...whatever.
as an aside, I suppose i should have typed Me tooer without the S, granted.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-24 05:01pm

This is why when I have kids, I am getting them bullet proof vests

This is also why I support metal detectors at the doors of schools, armed gaurds, and random locker searches

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-24 05:05pm

Solauren wrote:This is why when I have kids, I am getting them bullet proof vests

This is also why I support metal detectors at the doors of schools, armed gaurds, and random locker searches

The whiny liberals will scream oppression.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-24 05:31pm

Solauren wrote:This is why when I have kids, I am getting them bullet proof vests

This is also why I support metal detectors at the doors of schools, armed gaurds, and random locker searches

We had all those things at Schenley and they didn't stop anyone. They were all rediculously easy to get around and only served to punish students who violated the letter, but not the spirit of the law. One of my friends nearly got expelled because he brought a screwdriver to school for stage crew, thanks to those zero tolerence policies you are pushing, and he was a straight A student with no prior trouble and an outstanding record. Meanwhile, anyone who's serious about sneaking a weapon into the school can get around those secruity measures without a problem.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-09-24 05:36pm

Montcalm wrote:
Solauren wrote:This is why when I have kids, I am getting them bullet proof vests

This is also why I support metal detectors at the doors of schools, armed gaurds, and random locker searches
The whiny liberals will scream oppression.

More like: the conservatives and christians will scream communist indoctrination, and put their children into home and private schools so they don't have to be around "those people". "VOUCHERS! VOUCHERS!"

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-24 05:45pm

Solauren wrote:This is why when I have kids, I am getting them bullet proof vests

I'm sure they'll just love you for having to lug around thirty pounds of titanium, steel and Kevlar all day long.

This is also why I support metal detectors at the doors of schools, armed gaurds, and random locker searches[/quote]

All of which will do jack shit to stop a student who wants to kill his classmates. They can simply start shooting outside, which has happened quite a few times. And if you think armed guards will take them down, they might, but not before the person empties there first magazine, which is as far as they generally, get. Course having a rent a cop open fire in an area crowded with kids is likely going to make things worse not better.

All you'd be doing is spending a vast amount of money, making people paranoid and at best greatly inconveniencing the student body.