North Korea able to now make nukes

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-02 02:48am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98875,00.html

Taken from a different board. This is breaking news, I think.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-02 02:51am

More sabre-rattling from the Dear Leader? I'm not sure if that really qualifies as news.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-02 02:53am

Darth Wong wrote:More sabre-rattling from the Dear Leader? I'm not sure if that really qualifies as news.

It's a new development, even if it could be sabre-rattling.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-02 02:54am

Hasn't North Korea claimed that they've "been able to make nukes" for like four or five years now?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-02 02:58am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hasn't North Korea claimed that they've "been able to make nukes" for like four or five years now?

They haven't actually finished the actual reprocessing process until now.

If this is true, then apparently they can make working nuclear weapons now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-02 03:00am

I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-02 03:19am

Shinova wrote: Taken from a different board. This is breaking news, I think.

Time to update the warplans for a possible pre-emptive strike.
Kim Dong Small is just insane enough to do it.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-10-02 03:26am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...

Do you think they would detonate one above ground so the world knew right away. Or go for a buried site to possibly hide it from the West.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-02 03:31am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...
Do you think they would detonate one above ground so the world knew right away. Or go for a buried site to possibly hide it from the West.

A buried detonation could still theoretically be detected through seismographic means.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-10-02 03:33am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...
Do you think they would detonate one above ground so the world knew right away. Or go for a buried site to possibly hide it from the West.

Seismic shock, radioactive trace materials which end up in the ambient environment. Underground nuke blasts aren't exactly concealable.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-10-02 04:25am

Didn't we detect India and Pakistan's underground nuke tests?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-02 09:20am

The Japanese defence minister is going to love this, I swear he's literally itching to send an invasion force over to that forsaken country and tear Kim a new one.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-10-02 09:25am

I didn't think the Japanese were allowed to maintain a standing army, just a small defense force or something...or am I a moron?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-10-02 10:02am

Chardok wrote:I didn't think the Japanese were allowed to maintain a standing army, just a small defense force or something...or am I a moron?

yes, and they are only allowed to act in defense. My question is this. Does the Japanese constitution consider a hostile neighbor detonating a nuke, test firing missiles across the Japanese home islands and explicitly saying "i'm going to nuke you" sufficient grounds for use of it's armed forces? Or, do they actually have to be nuked for it to be allowed?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-02 10:11am

Uraniun235 wrote:Didn't we detect India and Pakistan's underground nuke tests?

Yup, sure did.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-02 10:50am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Chardok wrote:I didn't think the Japanese were allowed to maintain a standing army, just a small defense force or something...or am I a moron?
yes, and they are only allowed to act in defense. My question is this. Does the Japanese constitution consider a hostile neighbor detonating a nuke, test firing missiles across the Japanese home islands and explicitly saying "i'm going to nuke you" sufficient grounds for use of it's armed forces? Or, do they actually have to be nuked for it to be allowed?

The Japanese are making their defence force stronger and have threatened action before when NK said it would nuke anyone who defied it. I very much doubt MacArthur is in any position to disagree now with this sentiment and Dubya will likely turn a blind eye to any offensive build up.

Although the rather hawkish Shigeru Ishiba of the ministry of defence has scared some people with his radical views. Even after 60 years or so, many feel Japan shouldn't get a proper military.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-10-02 11:16am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
Chardok wrote:I didn't think the Japanese were allowed to maintain a standing army, just a small defense force or something...or am I a moron?
yes, and they are only allowed to act in defense. My question is this. Does the Japanese constitution consider a hostile neighbor detonating a nuke, test firing missiles across the Japanese home islands and explicitly saying "i'm going to nuke you" sufficient grounds for use of it's armed forces? Or, do they actually have to be nuked for it to be allowed?
The Japanese are making their defence force stronger and have threatened action before when NK said it would nuke anyone who defied it. I very much doubt MacArthur is in any position to disagree now with this sentiment and Dubya will likely turn a blind eye to any offensive build up.

Although the rather hawkish Shigeru Ishiba of the ministry of defence has scared some people with his radical views. Even after 60 years or so, many feel Japan shouldn't get a proper military.

Personally, i feel that Japan SHOULD have a proper military. They are a stable and wealthy nation in what is becoming a somewhat unstable part of the world. I think that Japan is a far diferent nation than it was 60 years ago and i don't feel the Japanese people would tolerate agressive militarism or a return to imperialism....they have too much to lose economically if that happens. Perhaps with that added responsibilty Japan could be granted equal footing on the UN Security Council with the "Big 5".

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-02 11:27am

They still refuse to acknowledge their past, the Germans have and learnt from such mistakes. Of course, Japan needs to defend itself, but whoever fires first is going to be in deep shit depending on what happens. I can't see NK being stupid enough to nuke Tokyo.

j1j2j3 · Post by **j1j2j3** » 2003-10-02 11:44am

Darth Wong wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...
Do you think they would detonate one above ground so the world knew right away. Or go for a buried site to possibly hide it from the West.
A buried detonation could still theoretically be detected through seismographic means.

My brother is in the graduation class of a local University majoring in seismic geology and he says everything in the lab is pointed north with the professer 'eagerly' awaiting some kind of underground detonation so he can demonstrate parts of his lecture.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-02 12:22pm

I think it's time to start building a case (rather easy) to take out North Korea

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-10-02 01:48pm

How long till Russia and China decide to take out NK?

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-10-02 02:00pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'll believe it when I hear news of another country detecting a test detonation...
Do you think they would detonate one above ground so the world knew right away. Or go for a buried site to possibly hide it from the West.
Seismic shock, radioactive trace materials which end up in the ambient environment. Underground nuke blasts aren't exactly concealable.

Sorry for my poorly phrased question. I realize you can detect an underground detonation by such means. What I was getting at was did'nt the underground tests by Pakistan and Inda take us by surprise cause we did'nt even realize they were mounting such a test because the facilities were hidden.

I guess what Im trying to say it, would'nt we be able to see preparations for an above ground test, or in the case of an underground test, would'nt it take a few days to figure out if it was an earthquake instead of a bomb. Is there some difference that seperates them on a seismonitor?

An above ground test would be recognized within minutes by US sattelites would'nt it?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-10-02 02:10pm

Solauren wrote:I think it's time to start building a case (rather easy) to take out North Korea

Impossible unless you can deploy some kind of sci-fi shield over the city of Seoul.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-02 02:17pm

SirNitram wrote:
Solauren wrote:I think it's time to start building a case (rather easy) to take out North Korea
Impossible unless you can deploy some kind of sci-fi shield over the city of Seoul.

Next best thing, get some AEGIS cruisers in the area and PAC3 Patriots or wait for Aster PAAMS to come into service.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-10-02 02:20pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Solauren wrote:I think it's time to start building a case (rather easy) to take out North Korea
Impossible unless you can deploy some kind of sci-fi shield over the city of Seoul.
Next best thing, get some AEGIS cruisers in the area and PAC3 Patriots or wait for Aster PAAMS to come into service.

How are they against artillery fire? As I'm not sure NK actually has that many missiles.

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