Israel spanks Syria!

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2003-10-05 05:30am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... DT0417.DTL

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-05 05:58am

Well, this could certainly get interesting. No response from the Syrian Air Force though.

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2003-10-05 06:30am

Of course they haven't responded. They're arab, not stupid.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-10-05 06:40am

Interesting my ass....I don't see syria sitting back on this one....could get downright ugly, methinks..

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-10-05 07:40am

Chardok wrote:Interesting my ass....I don't see syria sitting back on this one....could get downright ugly, methinks..

I dont think so, its not the first time that Isreal has pulled this kind of stunt without retaliation from arab {plus Iran} nations.

I did find this passage interesting. however.

Syria has been warned more than once by the United States that it should close all the facilities of the Islamic Jihad," Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner said. "Apparently it has not done so. And it is our policy after what happened yesterday to go after Islamic Jihad wherever they are."

Nice to hear that isreal knows what side its bread is buttered on.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-05 08:44am

If Syria actually deploys credible air defense systems (an S-300P variant, for example), or one of it's pilots is sent up and is (gasp!) actually any good and knocks an Israeli F-16 or F-15 out of the sky, this sort of thing could get ugly very quickly.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-10-05 08:46am

Vympel wrote:If Syria actually deploys credible air defense systems (an S-300P variant, for example), or one of it's pilots is sent up and is (gasp!) actually any good and knocks an Israeli F-16 or F-15 out of the sky, this sort of thing could get ugly very quickly.

I am guessing that there are two shows of these thing happening any time soon: Shit and No

AdmiralTDM · Post by **AdmiralTDM** » 2003-10-05 09:06am

I hope Syria trys somthing just to Isreal will knock the crap out of them.

Isreal needs to reclaim some of its old glory and really stomp someone!

Of course if I was an Isreali I would probly think beg to differ.. but what the heck im nice and safeISH in the USA.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-10-05 12:22pm

Syria has been warned more than once by the United States that it should close all the facilities of the Islamic Jihad," Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner said. "Apparently it has not done so. And it is our policy after what happened yesterday to go after Islamic Jihad wherever they are."

Perhaps the US should send billions of dollars of military aide to Syria. That way they can get rid of the terrorist presence, and build up a modern legitimate army in which to reclaim their stolen land through conventional warfare.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-10-05 12:34pm

Wicked Pilot wrote: Perhaps the US should send billions of dollars of military aide to Syria. That way they can get rid of the terrorist presence, and build up a modern legitimate army in which to reclaim their stolen land through conventional warfare.

The syrians already tried that in the Yom Kippur war and failed. The Syrians like other Arab nations see that the only way to defeat Israel is through terror not through any conventional conflict.

By the way, I support the Israelis in thier attack against Syria and hope the Asad is the target of the next Israeli raid on syria.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-05 01:05pm

I like it, Syria has to take this like a good little bitch else face the wrath of the US and Israeli alliance.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-10-05 01:27pm

Does Syria have any MiG-29s or Su-27s?

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-10-05 01:44pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Does Syria have any MiG-29s or Su-27s?

Syria has:

(Ground Attack)
20 Su-24
44 MiG-23BN
90 Su-22
14 MiG-29SMT

(Fighter)
22 MiG-29A
30 MiG-25
90 MiG-23
170 MiG-21

(Recon)
6 MiG-25R
8 MiG-21H/J

*source: International Institute for Strategic Studies

It's believed they may have 14 Su-27s, but I don't know if that's confirmed or not. Some information claims they are in the Syrian Air Force, others say those aircraft were never delivered.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-05 02:13pm

Oh no! Fishbeds!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-05 02:25pm

I call bullshit on the MiG-29SMT claim. The first MiG-29SMTs are going to Yemen, and they have yet to be delivered.

There is no credible evidence as to Su-27s either.

Besides- Syria would do well to spend the cash needed to buy such aircraft on training it's pilots to not suck. Their current MiG-29s are perfectly capable of killing an Israeli fighter if properly supported and flown.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-10-05 02:25pm

Since when is a MiG-29SMT ground attack?

And their brilliant Fishbeds and Floggers will severly hampers Isreal's air force they might run out of missles!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-05 02:30pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Since when is a MiG-29SMT ground attack?

The MiG-29SMT has a ?fifth generation? avionics system based around a MIL-STD-1553B equivalent data bus. Two large MFI-68 152x203mm LCD color MFDs dominate the cockpit, with a single smaller monochrome MFD (96x77mm) on the right side console on the prototype aircraft, though a mockup cockpit displayed three of these smaller MFDs. A limited suite of analog instruments has been left in the center of the main panel. It also has an upgraded wide-angle HUD, digital moving map (and possibly Terprom-type elevation database and display), and HOTAS controls.

The N019 radar has been upgraded to N019MP standard, building on the capabilities of the N019M radar with the addition of a synthetic aperture mode, for terrain mapping, and a larger look angle in both azimuth and elevation. The AoA limiter has been raised to 30 degrees. Navigation has been improved due to the addition of a global positioning system (GPS) and a laser gyro INS.

The 'T' in the SMT designator stands for fuel: the MiG-29SMT has a large revised dorsal spine with a new No. 1 tank forward and a new tank in the rear part of the fairing. A rear tail tank protrudes beyond the engine jet pipes and can be retrofitted at unit level. In combination, the modifications result in a 1,475kg increase in capacity, bringing total fuel load to 6,115kg. The increase in fuel capacity means a 100% increase in mission radius in the air superiority role (1,550km) or 1,100km in the strike role. The MiG-29SMT is also fitted with a bolt-on, retractable in-flight refueling probe, and new, larger (1,800 liter), underwing drop tanks. Warload has been increased to 5,000kg. Certificated useful life of the airframe will be increased from 2,500 to 6,000 hours.

The most significant changes, however, have been introduced in the air-to-surface armament. The basic MiG-29 is restricted to dumb ordnance. The MiG-29SMT is capable of carrying the latest Russian precision guided air to ground munitions (anti-surface (Kh-29T), anti-ship(Kh-31A), anti-radar(Kh-31P), and guided bombs(KAB-series).

And their brilliant Fishbeds and Floggers will severly hampers Isreal's air force they might run out of missles!

Hey, don't knock the MiG-23, they have actually scored kills against the Israelis in the past.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-10-05 02:36pm

Technology will not help Syria because quite frankly their military is filled with first rate losers.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-05 02:48pm

GlobalSecurity.org puts Syria down for possibly 14 MiG-29SMTs. Make of that what you will. Though it would help them to have some advanced multi-role aircraft.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-10-05 02:57pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:GlobalSecurity.org puts Syria down for possibly 14 MiG-29SMTs. Make of that what you will. Though it would help them to have some advanced multi-role aircraft.

Serbia had Mig-29s also. They were all blown out of the sky when flown against the USAF. Syria's will do no better.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-05 03:00pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:GlobalSecurity.org puts Syria down for possibly 14 MiG-29SMTs. Make of that what you will. Though it would help them to have some advanced multi-role aircraft.
Serbia had Mig-29s also. They were all blown out of the sky when flown against the USAF. Syria's will do no better.

Oh, no doubt. Having good hardware is one thing, having good pilots is another. Syria is at least lacking one of those.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-10-05 03:10pm

Vympel wrote:[sni]

While a Vympel Mini-mega post of info is always interesting, I thought the SMT was multi-role, but not just ground attack.

Hey, don't knock the MiG-23, they have actually scored kills against the Israelis in the past.

How? Crashing into runways and forcing a few pilots to eject on landing?

Seriously, what planes did they manage to kill?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-10-05 03:15pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Serbia had Mig-29s also. They were all blown out of the sky when flown against the USAF. Syria's will do no better.

Now b fair, the Dutch also got one.

As for Syria, they do have eight Su-27's, but any claim of MiG-29SMT's is a load of total bullshit.

This airstrike strike is highly unlikely to balloon into anything big, a while back when the uprising was still in its first year the IAF actually blew up a Syrian radar station in Lebanon and Syria related and did the same to an Israeli station. Nothing further came from it. Isreal doesn't want a major war, which would finish off its economy, and Syria knows it can't accomplisish anything alone.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-10-05 03:23pm

Vympel wrote:
Hey, don't knock the MiG-23, they have actually scored kills against the Israelis in the past.

And one rifle bullet can bring down an F-111, doesn't mean you'd want to relay on it in combat. Though the MiG-23 has done better then the MiG-29, which has so far managed to only shoot down civilian aircraft, against other fighters its lost twelve times and never won.

Newtonian Fury · Post by **Newtonian Fury** » 2003-10-05 03:40pm

Arab militaries are too undisciplined, unskilled, and poorly equipped. We need the Soviet Union back to train the Arabs against these Zionist intrusions

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