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Navy May Move 1 of Its Carriers

Hawaii might be okay but they'd have to dredge the channel quite often in Pearl Harbor to make sure it was deep enough to get in an out all the time, especially with a full load. In order for the Abraham Lincoln to pull in to Pearl we had to be running rather light to make sure our draft was high enough. I'm sure the newer carriers would have at least the same problems if not more so.

I'm not sure Hawaii really helps much in responding quickly. As I recall it's only about 5 days from the West Coast of the US to Hawaii at relatively high speed. Maybe it could be done faster it the airwing is already onboard.

Guam, nothing like sticking 6000 plus more sailors in the middle of nowhere. I'm presuming that the ship and the airwing would have to be there otherwise what's the point. I'm sure the people of Guam would love having that many more squids running around the island.
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Navy May Move 1 Of Its Carriers
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October 2, 2003


WASHINGTON - One aircraft carrier may be moved permanently from the continental United States to Hawaii or Guam so that the Navy could respond more quickly to a crisis in North Korea or elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region, the Pacific Fleet commander said Wednesday.

Adm. Walter F. Doran, who is responsible for all Navy ships in the Pacific, said it is unclear whether the carrier would move from an East Coast or a West Coast base, and that no decisions have been made. The Navy has five carriers based on the West Coast, six on the East Coast and one in Japan.

The possibility of a carrier move is part of a broader Pentagon study on repositioning forces around the world to reflect new priorities. Although the war on terrorism is currently focused mainly on the Persian Gulf region and Central Asia, the Asia-Pacific region is attracting more terrorist groups, Doran said.

The Bush administration also is concerned about the communist regime of North Korea and its potential for exporting the nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities it acknowledges it is developing.

The case of Navy aircraft carriers is complicated by the fact that creating a new homeport in Hawaii or Guam would involve considerable cost and raise political and environmental issues. It also would affect thousands of Navy families and would require moving a carrier air wing.

"I'm looking at where I could better or best be positioned," Doran told a group of reporters over breakfast. "Would it be better to move a carrier to Hawaii? Would it be better to move a carrier to Guam? These are major muscle movements. This is not being done on the back of an envelope."

Doran said he was in Washington this week to meet with Navy leaders on two high-priority issues: improving the Navy's ability to track submarines in the Pacific and getting ready to maintain a continuous ship presence in the Sea of Japan to detect a potential missile launch from North Korea.

Regarding the missile detection mission, he said, "If asked, we will be ready to do it." He said it was possible that he could be ordered to do it as soon as Oct. 1, 2004, but no final decision has been made.

On the submarine-tracking mission, Doran said that when the Cold War ended the Navy let its anti-submarine warfare capabilities erode, since there no longer was an open-ocean sub threat from the Soviet Union.

But in recent years China, North Korea and other countries have acquired diesel-electric submarines that are so quiet in the water that it is difficult for U.S. forces to detect and track them.

"We have to be able to deal with that," Doran said.
Personally, I've thought for awhile that the Navy has been putting too many of it's ships in too few ports, particularly on the East Coast where nearly all the surface fleet is in Norfolk, VA.

Moving all that they suggest to Guam would have to cost a fortune. Imagine all of the family housing and housing in general that would have to be built.

Incidentally, Guam is the only base I've been to that had beer in the vending machines. :)

One good thing, carriers currently have male and female sailors on them so it wouldn't just be 6,000 guys being dumped on Hawaii or Guam.
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Isn't the proportion of females on carriers still pretty low? And from what I have heard, the dating scene action is seriously limited, to include not at all.

Beer in vending machines, seen it in Korea and Germany. That needs to be adopted here in the states. :P
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Guam wont happen, the facilities are too small and no ones going to put up the cash to expand them, especially not in a place where the population can't vote politicians into Washington. Its merely being considered because all options are, I'd bet someone's looked into Ulithi, Rabail, Kavieng, Phnom Pehn and Komsomolsk as well to but it doesn't mean anyone's looking at the results. Dredging another 10 feet out of Pearl wouldn't be too cheep, but its lots of small sums over many years rather then a giant lump.
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EmperorMing wrote:Isn't the proportion of females on carriers still pretty low? And from what I have heard, the dating scene action is seriously limited, to include not at all.
As far as I know the proportion is still pretty low. I think the most I've seen is at most a few hundred females total on a carrier including the airwing.
Beer in vending machines, seen it in Korea and Germany. That needs to be adopted here in the states. :P
Then we'll really get to see how many people can get killed trying to shake the machines. :)

Can you imagine if we had those all over the US. Bums would be constantly trying to get beer out of those things. Topled machines, hands stuck in machines. It'd make some interesting episodes of COPS. :D
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Guam wont happen, the facilities are too small and no ones going to put up the cash to expand them, especially not in a place where the population can't vote politicians into Washington. Its merely being considered because all options are, I'd bet someone's looked into Ulithi, Rabail, Kavieng, Phnom Pehn and Komsomolsk as well to but it doesn't mean anyone's looking at the results. Dredging another 10 feet out of Pearl wouldn't be too cheep, but its lots of small sums over many years rather then a giant lump.
Guam seemed too tiny for me to see it sucking up the people from a carrier, it's airwing and all of their families. That's a major change for that island all around.

I would think Hawaii would need some expanding besides the dredging. I know we pulled in there but there weren't many other ships (if any) there at the time either.
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I may have missed it, but did it state anywhere which carrier?

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Tsyroc wrote: Guam seemed too tiny for me to see it sucking up the people from a carrier, it's airwing and all of their families. That's a major change for that island all around.
Doesn’t help that 90% of the island is a nature preserve. Though I kind of recall the military not allowing families to live on Hawaii in the first place, they stay at a west coast base.

I would think Hawaii would need some expanding besides the dredging. I know we pulled in there but there weren't many other ships (if any) there at the time either.
I suspect it would be more a matter of reactivating base facilities then building new ones, outside of housing anyway.
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verilon wrote:I may have missed it, but did it state anywhere which carrier?

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It didn't say. It's just that they are thinking about moving one.

It's getting to the point that we don't have too many conventional carriers left so it's likely it'd evenutally be a nuke.
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EmperorMing wrote:Isn't the proportion of females on carriers still pretty low? And from what I have heard, the dating scene action is seriously limited, to include not at all.
That's becasue you wouldn't want to date most Navy females.
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Tsyroc wrote: Guam seemed too tiny for me to see it sucking up the people from a carrier, it's airwing and all of their families. That's a major change for that island all around.
Doesn’t help that 90% of the island is a nature preserve. Though I kind of recall the military not allowing families to live on Hawaii in the first place, they stay at a west coast base.
You recall wrong. I work with a guy who grew up in Hawaii because his father was stationed on a sub out of there.
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verilon wrote:I may have missed it, but did it state anywhere which carrier?

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It didn't say. It's just that they are thinking about moving one.

It's getting to the point that we don't have too many conventional carriers left so it's likely it'd evenutally be a nuke.
Mmk was just curious, my dad being stationed on that side of the world, and all. Thanks. :)

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Sea Skimmer wrote: Doesn’t help that 90% of the island is a nature preserve. Though I kind of recall the military not allowing families to live on Hawaii in the first place, they stay at a west coast base.
You recall wrong. I work with a guy who grew up in Hawaii because his father was stationed on a sub out of there.
I wasn't sure if he was refering to Guam or Hawaii with the nautre preserve part. :?
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Guam is larger than one would think, but I still don't think that it can absorb a thousand extra personel plus family plus all the people who would be permanately stationed there for the support services for the Carrier.

If they did this, Hawaii would be about their only choise uless they want to port the carrier in Okinawa, which I just don't see.
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Now, a nuclear carrier is not a carrier that carries nuclear weapons, but is powered by a nuclear reactor, right? Compared to a conventional carrier, which is powered by some sort of combustion engine?
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HemlockGrey wrote:Now, a nuclear carrier is not a carrier that carries nuclear weapons, but is powered by a nuclear reactor, right? Compared to a conventional carrier, which is powered by some sort of combustion engine?
Correct, just as there are nuclear submarines that do not carry any nuclear weapons.
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Tsyroc wrote:Incidentally, Guam is the only base I've been to that had beer in the vending machines. :)
That'd be a bitch to keep stocked with a carrier and it's air wing stationed there. :P

Is there a drinking age in Guam? If not, or if it's low, that means those Sailors in port can drink underage (in our drug/alcohol GMT today, they said drinking age in port is based on your home port).

That and the vending machines would make it a great selling point to the Sailors out there. :D
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RogueIce wrote: That'd be a bitch to keep stocked with a carrier and it's air wing stationed there. :P

Is there a drinking age in Guam? If not, or if it's low, that means those Sailors in port can drink underage (in our drug/alcohol GMT today, they said drinking age in port is based on your home port).

That and the vending machines would make it a great selling point to the Sailors out there. :D
I think the drinking age was 18. I was only there for a couple of days and every day we were supposed to be ready to leave at 0300 in case the weather was clear enough over the Phillipines so I didn't get around too much.
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