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Ike Was Right (America's infrastructure in bad shape)

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Ike Was Right
Stephen Pizzo, October 15, 2003

Talk about sticker shock. The condition of the country was far worse than anyone dared imagine. Engineers released their findings this September and, using a grammar school grading system, they assigned grades to describe the state of disrepair they found.

The country's roads got a D+. Aviation infrastructure got a D. Schools a D minus. Wastewater treatment facilities, a D. Dams, a D. Hazardous waste storage a D+. And, even though the nation is a major oil producer, the energy sector got a D+.

In all, the experts said it would take more than $1.6 trillion over the next five years to bring the country's infrastructure up to modern standards.

Oh, wait. I bet you thought I was talking about Iraq.

No. The report I am citing was released this September by the American Society of Civil Engineers and it described the condition of America's infrastructure. In it, the ASCE warned that America's critical infrastructure was "crumbling" and ongoing neglect would add $300 billion a year to the repair bill. The ASCE recommended the creation of an emergency White House commission to start dealing with the problem.

Yet the same week ASCE released its report, President Bush asked Congress to quickly approve an additional $87 billion in emergency funding—for Iraq—of which around $22 billion would be used to repair and upgrade Iraq's infrastructure. (That figure has since been trimmed to around $20 billion in Congress.) The president made no mention of the ASCE's report and no additional money was requested for United States' infrastructure.

There are all too many obvious ironies in this. When George W. Bush campaigned for office his disdain for "nation building" knew no bounds. It wasn't America's business, he said, to run around the world fixing broken nation-states at American taxpayer's expense.

Once in office, key Bush supporters decided the President was wrong about that. The business of nation building could be very good business indeed.

So now hundreds of billions of U.S. tax dollars are flowing to a handful of large, well-connected U.S. companies, not to repair and improve America's communication, transportation, education or energy infrastructure, but those of Iraq and Afghanistan. This is nothing less than the very military-industrial complex President Dwight Eisenhower famously warned against before leaving office.

The U.S. companies getting the bulk of Iraq/Afghanistan infrastructure contracts can be counted on one mutilated hand; Bechtel, Halliburton, SAIC, Fluor. Virtually all the prime contracts were issued on a no-bid basis. (Try that with any large domestic infrastructure project and the unions and taxpayer right's groups would be all over the administration like flies on camel dung.)

So, as you bump your way to work today on pothole-studded streets understand that the cost of your new suspension is a small price to pay for the smooth 1,200-kilometer highway being built in Afghanistan on a $300 million contract to U.S. engineering firm Louis Berger Group.

Then there's the $240 million earmarked to improve Iraq's roads and bridges. And, even as the Bush administration fights subsidies for Amtrak, another $303 million in U.S. funds is going to upgrade Iraq's railroads. Bechtel will oversee much of this work.

Ironically, on the same day the ASCEs released their infrastructure report, the Edison Electric Institute released its report on the state of the nation's electrical grid - which had recently gotten everyone's attention with a major northeast/Midwest blackout. The EEI told the Bush administration that in order to meet demand, "capital investments in upgrades and new transmission lines must increase from the current level of $3 billion annually to $5.5 billion annually over the next ten years."

In other words, an additional $25 billion is needed to keep America's lights on.

Instead the president requested $5.5 billion—the first installment—to begin modernizing Iraq's power grid, a job that Iraq's U.S. Administrator L. Paul Bremer says may cost up to $13 billion. Then there's fixing Iraq's water systems—another $16 billon. Bechtel is the prime contractor on those jobs, too.

The contrasts continue. According to federal housing officials, the government will only be able to fund 5,000 new public housing units this year. Meanwhile the administration has earmarked $470 million to create 20,000 public housing units in Iraq. Another $40 million will go to building 275 new schools in Iraq and provide teachers and supplies to 12,500 schools. Prime contractors for these Iraqi programs are U.S. companies, Bechtel and Creative Associates.

Ten years ago, President Bill Clinton pushed legislation to put more cops on the street. The Bush administration has since eliminated all direct funding for street cops. Now, with money short and so many military reservists—many of whom are cops in civilian life—on active duty, cities and counties find themselves dangerously short of police, fire and other first responders.

Nevertheless, while American law enforcement goes begging, the administration has been generous in letting contracts to rebuild Iraq's civil and military policing. There is the $2 billion to build a new Iraqi army and another $470 million to fund civilian police, judges, courts and related law enforcement services. U.S.-based DynCorp and its parent company, Computer Sciences Corp., are the prime contractors here. Heavy contributors to President Bush and the Republican Party, the company has provided police training and other security services to the Pentagon in other hot spots as well, including Bosnia where DynCorp employees were accused of running a sex ring involving under-age girls.

And then of course, there is Halliburton. The "no-bid contract" trend started when Dick Cheney served as Secretary of Defense under President George H.W. Bush. Cheney hired Halliburton subsidiary, Brown & Root Services (now Kellogg, Brown & Root), paying the company nearly $4 million to study how the defense department might cut costs by privatizing much of its non-combat activities.

Apparently the advice he got for our $4 million was to hire Brown & Root. Under the new scheme all those troublesome and time-consuming open bids would be eliminated and replaced with an open-ended contract with KBR. The program, approved by Cheney, is called the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP). The Pentagon describes LOGCAP's no-bid contracts as "cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity service."

Shortly after LOGCAP went into effect the election of Bill Clinton freed Dick Cheney to pursue other interests and he became CEO of Halliburton. Most of Halliburton's defense work now comes through KBR's LOGCAP contract, which has made KBR the de facto quartermaster for the US Army.

Among other things, U.S. taxpayers are paying KBR to:

* Provide housing for 100,000 soldiers in Iraq;

* Repair oil facilities in Iraq;

* Build enenmy prisioner of war camps in Iraq and Afghanistan;

* Provide logistical support for David Kay's Iraqi Survey Group searching for Iraq's illusive weapons of mass destruction;

* KBR was hired to build 400 new prison cells at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to house captured Taliban fighters.

Let me conclude by making an observation. Conservatives are correct when the praise the opportunity-creating power of the free-enterprise system. But the Defense Department's privatization of huge chunks of its operations out to a handful of very large, very well-connected companies is crony capitalism. This is walking right into the tar pit that Eisenhower had warned against half a century ago.

Did Bechtel, Halliburton and the others engineer America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? No, of course not. That would be too cynical and simplistic. But, these firms are opportunists and they have the connections to profit in wartime.

And so we are left to ponder. America's infrastructure is a mess and getting worse. Instead of spending the additional $25 billion needed to repair it, the administration is handing nearly the same amount in contracts out to a small number of U.S. companies to repair Iraq's infrastructure instead. Had that money been allocated for U.S. infrastructure the contracts would have been, by law, subject to open bidding and would therefore have been divvied up among hundreds of companies, small and large, across the country. In the old days, they called that a domestic economic stimulus plan.

For more information on some of the companies mentioned above, check this Misleader.org report.

Stephen Pizzo is a financial journalist who lives in Sebastapol, California.

This commentary was first published on TomPaine.com on October 10, 2003 and is reprinted with permission.
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Clearly, market capitalism has not responded to the need to repair and maintain vital infrastructure in the United States...

Incidentally, guess who the first Democratic candidate to release his comprehensive economic plan is? (if you guessed Howard Dean, you'd be right). And guess what a very high priority in that economic plan is? (if you guessed infrastructure repair, you'd be right again).
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Well, there I can be glad, that in good old Germany, only the roads were in a not very well state. Here, the state is bound by law to keep the infrastructure in good shape, with exception of the roads.....
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So? I drive over bridges built in 1956 or so, and named for the first
Marylander to die in the Korean War, and they're just fine. This report
is a bit of screaming. We don't need our infrastructure to be the latest
greatest shiny thing.
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I think I'll rate the opinion of a civil engineer over that of a deranged gunmonkey.
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SirNitram wrote:I think I'll rate the opinion of a civil engineer over that of a deranged gunmonkey.
Maybe if we stopped pouring our money down that money pit known as
the BIG DIG in Boston, and stopped suckign Ted Kennedy's cock, we'd
have enough money to do some good infrastructure repair.

Right now, the big infrastructure repair program here is the New Wilson
Bridge. Everyone, from Maryland, DC, Virginia, to the Feds are contributing
money to it, because the old Wilson bridge is literally falling apart under
4 times or so the load it was designed to carry per day.
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I suppose I shouldn't bring up California's roads. It is California, after all.
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PROMETHEUS wrote:I suppose I shouldn't bring up California's roads. It is California, after all.
California's roads have gotten a pretty big reprieve with the bad economy. Commute times are way down. However, one thing Ive started to notice is a lack of line painting on the roads. This is actually dangerous in some areas where lanes merge and there is nothign on the road to indicate it. Or where old lines are faintly visible and the newer lines are almost as bad. I nearly got clobbered by a big truck that merged into my lane cause he was following old lines.
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Oddly enough, around here there seems to be a trend to repave roads that don't need to be repaved. This past month the road between Rome and Summerville was repaved, even though the old pavement was still a nice deep black.
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Johonebesus wrote:Oddly enough, around here there seems to be a trend to repave roads that don't need to be repaved. This past month the road between Rome and Summerville was repaved, even though the old pavement was still a nice deep black.
It's called "political kickbacks" or "spending the money so that we don't
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Tampa Bay has a bunch of infrastucture projects up. A bunch of old bridges spanning the Intracoastal Waterway are getting old and have to be replaced or at the very least refurbished. The I4/I275/SR60/Veterans Expressway road complex is planned to be almost completely rebuilt. US19 is getting a bunch of overpasses, too. There's also preliminary planning for the Florida Regional Rail system.
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I'm curious to see if there's a state by state breakdown. Nevertheless, for once the lefties are right: infrastructure should be a major priority--bigger than the social programs the leftists would also like to implement.

And Mike: While I'll concede the radicals libertarians do think private industry could handle infrastructure better than the government (and it IS the government that's handling the roads, dams, and airports, so it's hardly fair to criticize private industry for their condition), most of us agree that infrastructure is one of the few things government is better equipped to handle than private industry. The investments required are enormous and the return is negligible, if there is one at all.
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Tribun wrote:Well, there I can be glad, that in good old Germany, only the roads were in a not very well state. Here, the state is bound by law to keep the infrastructure in good shape, with exception of the roads.....
Who needs to repair the roads, the Romans built them to LAST. :lol:

SO, I wonder what if the US acted more like the roman empire?
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RedImperator wrote: most of us agree that infrastructure is one of the few things government is better equipped to handle than private industry. The investments required are enormous and the return is negligible, if there is one at all.
So its only a good idea for private enterprise to do it when they can make a profit andf the rest of us should carry the can for your profit making enterprises infrastructure? what happened to user pays?
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MarkIX wrote:
RedImperator wrote: most of us agree that infrastructure is one of the few things government is better equipped to handle than private industry. The investments required are enormous and the return is negligible, if there is one at all.
So its only a good idea for private enterprise to do it when they can make a profit andf the rest of us should carry the can for your profit making enterprises infrastructure? what happened to user pays?
Everybody benefits from the infrastructure. Unless you live in a yurt in the forest and catch rabbits with flint hand axes, you use it, directly or indirectly. Paying for it with taxes is far more convenient than paying a toll every time you back out of the driveway.
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RedImperator wrote: Everybody benefits from the infrastructure. Unless you live in a yurt in the forest and catch rabbits with flint hand axes, you use it, directly or indirectly. Paying for it with taxes is far more convenient than paying a toll every time you back out of the driveway.
Why has convienence got anthing to do with it we are talking about idealogy :) :lol:
You can reduce your reliance on most forms of infrastructure water, power, sewerage (maybe not roads unless you have an airship) so why should you then pay as much as the next person, when you have no choice. if the user doesn't pay then some are given an unfair advantage. Which I thought was not the point of libertarianism
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By an amazing coincidence, HUD and the Departments of Transportation, Energy, and Defense are four of the usual suspects involved in congressional pork-barrelling (while agriculture isn't mentioned in the article, it's another perennial favorite.) Shep mentioned the Big Dig already, which was originally projected to cost $2.6 billion and is now up to $12.2 billion and counting. The Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway would be another grand (if somewhat old) example at an initial estimate of $300 million to build, a final completed cost of around $3 billion and bringing in maybe $12 million a year in benefits. As far as the no-bid contracts go, Robert Byrd (D-WV) was estimated to have cost the US treasury about $2 billion as of 1993. Citizens Against Government Waste estimates that Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) has shipped about $1.3 billion in three years off to Alaska through the use of "earmarks" which circumvent the competitive bidding process. Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) and Mary Landrieu (D-LA) tried to circumvent the same process by inserting language into a bill which would have given Northpoint Technologies spectrum rights worth an estimated $100 million without the nasty hassle of applying to the FCC for a license. Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) managed to get $181 million across three spending bills earmarked for an agricultural research facility in Ames, Iowa. CAGW's estimate for total pork barrel spending in 2003 was $22.5 billion on 9,362 projects. Eliminating them would in one year almost give us the $25 billion that EEI estimated for improving the nation's power grid over ten years. That doesn't count other forms of pork-barreling such as subsidies and tax loopholes, which in the 1992 budget were estimated to be as high as $97 billion altogether (the 2002 farm bill alone has doubtless shot that number higher.)
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MarkIX wrote:
RedImperator wrote: Everybody benefits from the infrastructure. Unless you live in a yurt in the forest and catch rabbits with flint hand axes, you use it, directly or indirectly. Paying for it with taxes is far more convenient than paying a toll every time you back out of the driveway.
Why has convienence got anthing to do with it we are talking about idealogy :) :lol:
You can reduce your reliance on most forms of infrastructure water, power, sewerage (maybe not roads unless you have an airship) so why should you then pay as much as the next person, when you have no choice. if the user doesn't pay then some are given an unfair advantage. Which I thought was not the point of libertarianism
:roll: Libertarianism has nothing to do with being fair. It has to do with minimal government involvement in commerce, industry, and everyday life, under the assumption that government is a necessary evil that should be restricted to only the things that are strictly necessary and outside the private sector's ability to provide. Infrastructure is one of those things.

Again, I reiterate: everybody depends on a sound infrastructure--industry, commerce, individual citizens. You need it to move goods and services back and forth, you need it to move electricity, you need it for communications. Even if you take yourself off the grid, you still benefit from it--unless you care to argue that your hypothetical person who's reduced his reliance on electricity, water, the sewage system, etc. also had somehow reduced his reliance on national defense or a sound overall economy, both of which are fostered by good infrastructure and hobbled by bad.

Bottom line: you benefit from the existence of a modern industrial democratic society, you help pay for its upkeep. People who rely on the system more already pay more, in gas taxes, water and sewer bills, special permits and hookups for especially heavy use, etc. User pays is a good idea for garbage collection, maybe, but not the lifeblood of the fucking country.
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MKSheppard wrote:So? I drive over bridges built in 1956 or so, and named for the first Marylander to die in the Korean War, and they're just fine. This report is a bit of screaming. We don't need our infrastructure to be the latest greatest shiny thing.
Good point. In some cases I trust the older overengineered stuff better than some of the newer latest and greatest stuff. Some times the tried and true is the way to go.

Still, there were a lot of comments about the shakiness of the nation's power grid this last year. While a lot of the problems might not be exclusively based on age I do think there has been a reluctance on people and the government to spend money on long term infrastructure planning. People and the government have a tendancy to do the least they can get away with.

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like's being mentioned, that over engineered shit still works, hell we have automobiles using roads that the roman Infantry built for horse drawn CARTS. And they are still in decent condition....
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RedImperator wrote: :roll: Libertarianism has nothing to do with being fair.
Then how is it different or better than any other idealogy that claims superiority for certain types of people (can you say fundie)
It has to do with minimal government involvement in commerce, industry, and everyday life
Fine
under the assumption that government is a necessary evil that should be restricted to only the things that are strictly necessary and outside the private sector's ability to provide. Infrastructure is one of those things.
So the only purpose of government is to to transfer the cost of things I want but can't afford to someone else.
Again, I reiterate: everybody depends on a sound infrastructure--industry, commerce, individual citizens. You need it to move goods and services back and forth, you need it to move electricity, you need it for communications.
Depends to varying degrees
Even if you take yourself off the grid, you still benefit from it--unless you care to argue that your hypothetical person who's reduced his reliance on electricity, water, the sewage system, etc. also had somehow reduced his reliance on national defense or a sound overall economy, both of which are fostered by good infrastructure and hobbled by bad.

So its not about infrastructure its about national defence and economics (if you don't like the way the game is going just move the goal posts)
Bottom line: you benefit from the existence of a modern industrial democratic society, you help pay for its upkeep.

Or you get some one else to do it
People who rely on the system more already pay more, in gas taxes, water and sewer bills, special permits and hookups for especially heavy use, etc.

So that would be a form of user pays then
User pays is a good idea for garbage collection, maybe, but not the lifeblood of the fucking country
bottomline, why should I pay your way? Where's my return for investment?
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I just felt the need to clarify my position I don't have a problem with Government supplied infrastructure, My problem is with the comment that Government should support supposedly competitive private enterprise in a libertarian setting that is all.
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RedImperator wrote: :roll: Libertarianism has nothing to do with being fair.
Then how is it different or better than any other idealogy that claims superiority for certain types of people (can you say fundie)
Do you think throwing around the "fundie" word scares me, pal? Libertarianism is based on two assumptions: one, the human beings are self-governing individuals who have the legal right to act as they wish so long as they don't infringe on anyone else's rights, and two, government should restrict its activities to arbitrating in cases where those rights conflict, protect against the violation of rights by force or fraud, and provide services necessary to society but which the private sector is unable to handle. Now, you can feel free to dispute those assumptions, you can produce evidence that disproves those assumptions. The difference between libertarianism and fundamentalism is that libertarianism doesn't appeal to some imaginary sky fairy's unfalsifiable authority.

As for fair, the best government can do is try to make sure everybody plays by the same rules. Your idea of fair is apparently that everyone's exact share of the use of infrastructure is calculated down to the nickel, which is functionally impossible once you factor in the indirect benefits the entire society enjoys. Perhaps once we've done that, we can cut off tall people's legs and stretch out short people on the rack so nobody has an unfair height advantage.
under the assumption that government is a necessary evil that should be restricted to only the things that are strictly necessary and outside the private sector's ability to provide. Infrastructure is one of those things.
So the only purpose of government is to to transfer the cost of things I want but can't afford to someone else.
You've now crossed the line into fucking idiocy. I'll say this again: government provides things that everybody needs but that only government can provide.

Get it now? Everybody needs roads. Even if you're a complete fucking agoraphobic recluse who never sets foot outside your door, the guy driving the fucking Meals on Wheels truck needs the road to get to your house, and so did the trucker who brough the food to the supermarket from the distribution warehouse, and the trucker who brought the food to the warehouse from the farm, and all the way back up the line. The same goes for every other segment of infrastructure. Again--unless you live in the forest and hunt using stone tools you made yourself, you depend on the grid. The fact that you're too stubborn or too idiotic to recognize this does not change anything.
Again, I reiterate: everybody depends on a sound infrastructure--industry, commerce, individual citizens. You need it to move goods and services back and forth, you need it to move electricity, you need it for communications.
Depends to varying degrees
In other words, you do not refute the claim that everybody depends on it, and thus, even by your idiotic "let's calculate everything down to the hundreth of a cent and charge people exactly what they use" system, everybody still owes money. Concession accepted.
Even if you take yourself off the grid, you still benefit from it--unless you care to argue that your hypothetical person who's reduced his reliance on electricity, water, the sewage system, etc. also had somehow reduced his reliance on national defense or a sound overall economy, both of which are fostered by good infrastructure and hobbled by bad.

So its not about infrastructure its about national defence and economics (if you don't like the way the game is going just move the goal posts)
If you're too stupid to recognize that the purpose of a sound infrastructure is to foster a functioning economy, effective national defense, and better overall quality of life, then there's no point even arguing with you. And nice try there subtly claiming victory by accusing me of moving the goal posts. The goal posts are right where they always were--I can't help it if your head is too far up your ass for you to see them.
Bottom line: you benefit from the existence of a modern industrial democratic society, you help pay for its upkeep.

Or you get some one else to do it
What in the fuck are you trying to say here? People are benefitting but not paying? Outside of children and tax cheats, who would these people be? People aren't benefitting? If you're claiming that, you'd Goddamn well better produce for me a Goddamn serf dying of the Goddamn bubonic plague, or I'm going to laugh hard enough to cough up a kidney.
People who rely on the system more already pay more, in gas taxes, water and sewer bills, special permits and hookups for especially heavy use, etc.

So that would be a form of user pays then
You could call it that. People who put extra strain on the system pay above what normal users (which by your own admission, includes everyone) do.

The Pennsylvania Turnpike is a perfect example. To drive from one end to the other in a car costs around ten dollars in tolls. To drive from one end to the other in an eighteen wheel tractor trailer costs almost ninety, because tractor trailers are heavier than passenger cars and cause more wear and tear to the road. But on top of tolls for the users, everybody in the state pays road taxes to maintain it--because without it, there'd be no major highway connecting Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, and Philadelphia, and the entire state would suffer.
User pays is a good idea for garbage collection, maybe, but not the lifeblood of the fucking country
bottomline, why should I pay your way? Where's my return for investment?
Your return is not having to chase bears through the woods with a spear for your dinner.
I just felt the need to clarify my position I don't have a problem with Government supplied infrastructure, My problem is with the comment that Government should support supposedly competitive private enterprise in a libertarian setting that is all.
Private enterprise can't function above a rudimentary level without a basic support structure. Private enterprise can't provide that support structure because 1) it's simply too big a project for anyone besides government to do, and 2) if there's no tangible return on the investment, the investment won't be made, as Marxists around the world have yet to figure out.

The last time vital infrastructure was built from scratch by the private sector was when the railroads built their networks and the phone company built theirs. In both cases, the builders of the infrastructure had a monopoly on its use--the railroads owned all the equipment for hauling material over their lines, and the telephone company was a national monopoly. You'll note now that Ma Bell no longer gets paid for every telephone call made in the United States, but is still responsible for maintaining the wires and switchboards, the national phone infrastructure is starting to get creaky. And the railroads bought their land for what amounted to pennies an acre from the Federal government, so the government was still needed to help build it.
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